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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you think the Democrats should cave in on the shutdown, or only co-operate once SNAP and healthcare is resolved?
Personally, I think they should keep up the pressure, but do way more to let the people know that SNAP is not because of Democrats, and healthcare cuts are a bridge too far and will lead to more poverty and more deaths to pay for tax cuts for Trump's rich friends.
mvd
(65,841 posts)I do NOT want to give in to them.
Doodley
(11,636 posts)Luciferous
(6,554 posts)healthcare costs will hurt so many people.
Doodley
(11,636 posts)Luciferous
(6,554 posts)to go to $1200 a month, and they have health issues and only work part-time, so essentially their job would only cover their insurance.
the MAGA cretins are having a hard time recognizing we are no longer the party of "nice"...we are no longer the party that bends over for the "good of the country" while the Republicans crap all over vulnerable Americans...
Doodley
(11,636 posts)Eko
(9,817 posts)not let dump de-fund whatever he wants without going through congress. Without that last part we don't have a functioning government.
vanlassie
(6,219 posts)Unacceptable. We are a truthful party.
vanlassie
(6,219 posts)Want me to delete here? It landed badly.
Eko
(9,817 posts)Thanks for replying back!
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)and protect ACA. Then, all 250 of our delegations need to do laps around the country on what we are going for next year.
David__77
(24,508 posts)Quiet Em
(2,540 posts)and they need to continue to do so.
Autumn
(48,750 posts)Luz
(899 posts)per month for my disabled husband and myself on the 20th of the month. I only have $100 left on my account, just like every month, only now i can't see any relief in November and by December people will be desperate.
I can try to scrape by, but there's going to be a lot of people who cant. The point is is that I won't care what happens to healthcare by December 15th, and neither will 42 million starving americans.
taxi
(2,676 posts)Come December 15th people like yourself who say they don't care now will certainly care then. And what grievance do you suppose they will have? My guess is they'll be griping that Democrats didn't protect them, and not a one of them will understand that they didn't protect themselves. We need to stand fast and do what Democrats do - fight for those who cannot fight for themselves.
Midwestern Democrat
(1,029 posts)I'll be honest - I have never believed shutting down the government was a legitimate negotiation ploy (I despised it when Newt Gingrich did it in '95 and I haven't changed my mind since) and frankly, it doesn't work - eventually the pain becomes so acute that the side holding up the reopening of the government has to fold.
taxi
(2,676 posts)On one hand we have tens of millions of hungry people subject to a political party playing a game of King on the Hill. For them it goes beyond infighting in politics, for some it means devastating hunger. There are also tens of millions who will go without the most basic healthcare that the most wealthy country in the world can easily afford. For them it isn't only an inconvenience, it's life or death.
I won't say that one side is holding things up, but I will say one side has so little regard for the American public that they place ballrooms, private jets, and banquets above the well being of those less fortunate than themselves.
BootinUp
(50,956 posts)Is to win approval for their plan.
No more compromise. No more appeasing bullies. No more bipartisan moves. No more negotiating with terrorists.
GreenWave
(12,338 posts)So hell no!
Norrrm
(4,009 posts)Trump pre-blames Biden if government shutdown happens as deadline nears - Dec 2024
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Trump blames the sitting Prez... until he is the sitting Prez.
Happy Hoosier
(9,404 posts)This is it. We either stand firm now, or we fold our tents and go home.
JCMach1
(29,089 posts)For compromise (see Hawley). Keep the pressure up.
edhopper
(37,075 posts)It's a lose, lose proposition.
beaglelover
(4,428 posts)In It to Win It
(12,331 posts)Emile
(40,634 posts)Skittles
(169,584 posts)I wouldn't give those Trump.2 fascist fucks one fucking inch.......NOT ONE
regnaD kciN
(27,468 posts)sprinkleeninow
(22,108 posts)FHRRK
(1,357 posts)Dont get any benefits via SNAP, low/minimal impact to me on Healthcare costs. So I am solidly behind creating the line in the sand and taking the fight to the Repukes.
That being said, there are families much less fortunate. With that my adult children floated an idea yesterday. Cancel Christmas this year, reallocate the funds to needy families near us to partially offset the actions of this admin to partially offset the struggles of those immigrant families.
sunflowerseed
(492 posts)Autumn
(48,750 posts)Efilroft Sul
(4,317 posts)Only one party is fighting for Americans to be fed, healthy, and warm from the winter cold, and it ain't the GOP.
Torchlight
(6,316 posts)Responsibility lies with the aggressor. Consequence lies on the aggressor.