Old Testament, they believe Jesus came to "fulfill the law" rather than abolish it, so those commandments are still in effect.

That is all

people protesting at a clinic why they're there, it's generally the "do not murder" commandment.

and they never think about their contradictions

to the death penalty.

Otherwise, they're fucking hypocrites. Oh, and by the way, the ONLY person who needs an opinion of abortion is the person who might be having one.

And all those who oppose one and not the other are still hypocrites.

Although I've known for decades that all religions involve massive amounts of hypocrisy.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe any of this myself. But I've studied it out of necessity and accusations of hypocrisy are simply "I'm rubber, you're glue" to their way of thinking. OPs like this one are not gotchas.

Some Catholic religious orders make a point to protest executions.

Because we couldn’t

He was tortured on the cross, died and descended into hell, fought the devil and on the 3rd rose victorious from the grave

He paid the price for our sins, so whoever believes in
Him will never die and have eternal life/ peace




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New International Version
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” This is about John the Baptist according to tradition.

Don't remember exactly
"God chose him to be Prophet, while he was still being created"
Which means one really has to be aware of the vagaries of translations and the potential for "added context" in later translations. I've heard some scholars say the context was more like indicating poetically that the Prophet referred to was was going to be "that guy", born at a specific time and place and guided by God to be the Great Prophet to lead them back to Israel from Babylon.

backfill with bullshit from their giant book of multiple choice in the mistaken view that if they can claim that some deity said so (or some insinuation of the same) that they have some sort of argument-ending trump card.

Many times it mentions “The Breath of Life” as when life begins.
Always fun to bring that up in Sunday School.
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Life begins when a baby draws its first breath.

There is nothing in the bible which refers directly (or indirectly) to abortion.

A man who suspects his wife has been impregnated by another man takes his wife to a priest who gives her a liquid to drink that will kill the baby.

Exodus also has a bit about striking a woman to cause a miscarriage

Neither of these condemn abortion.

As far as I know, there is no mention of abortion in the New Testament.

God commanded the administration of a potion that would cause an abortion if the pregnancy was the result of adultery.

Hence the Abortion is Murder slogan.

Back in the day, it wasn't. Women were property of either the husband or father/family patriarch, as were all the children, born and unborn, until the sons left their father's house.
Born children were "People", and murder was strictly defined.
For instance, if you beat your child, wife, or slave in chastisement (instead of in anger - like, tell me the difference?) and they died immediately, it was murder.
If they died a couple days later, it was considered a regular unexpected death or accident, I.e.God's Will.
Anyway, causing a miscarriage is still identified as a property crime in the Bible, not murder.

... Seriously, though: I don't believe in abortion, but it's an easy stand for me - I'm male. I believe it's a free will choice choice that is ultimately a woman's choice. I don't think very many, if any woman makes this choice lightly. There should be no laws against abortion. It should be covered by health care providers; if pregnancy is gawd inspired, why is ED not?

All people are all things in different portions.

... MSL churches and been denied Communion by the pastor because he personally din't know I was confirmed MSL. I've had Communion at every Evangelical church I've been in.

I went to MSL parochial schools in Ohio, and we were taught that dinosaurs were fake.

I guess we were rebels, because we got none of that. We had bull roasts where the beer flowed, dances, halloween parties.

Of course, I’m an atheist now so none of that matters to me. But I was shocked when as an adult I found out MSL is fundie!

... It seriously broke me. Going to sixth grade in public school was amazing.

In second grade I got a Timex for Christmas. Also we learned that any unforgiven sin would consign us to hell. Someone asked the teacher if a small unforgiven sin might be overlooked at judgement. And the teacher, Mr Roberts said, "no", that if a sock had a small hole in it, it was still a defective sock.

I used the watch to beg forgiveness every ten minutes for any sin I might have even unconsciously thought about.

I told Roman Catholic friends they were going to hell, not as a jeer, but for concern of losing friends forever.

My church experience was much more chill! My Father-in-law was MSL and he was shocked when he found out about what my church was like. He was not super strict himself, but he told stories of hiding the beer from the minister when he visited. I was all, “hiding beer!? Lutherans were GERMAN!!!! “

Good times. He was a right wing nut, but i still miss him.

... despite not having lived there since '82.

at least

because in Judaism a fetus isn't a person until it breathes on its own.

But he DID spend a lot of time telling people to not be assholes.

They pretend he spoke on the former and ignored the latter.

As he did about 3-D printing

They base those views on various passages in the Old Testament (pre-Jesus) while conveniently ignoring many other passages because those other passages don't tell them they should "hate" other people.

In reality, The Bible only mentions abortion once, and it’s a recipe. Numbers 5:11-31 is the only time abortion is mentioned and it’s a recipe on how to perform one.

as in nada fucking thing.

That said, in the late 1980s I represented Planned Parenthood in a case in which we successfully obtained an injunction against the leader of the local Operation Rescue chapter to prevent her from going on PP property.

When she violated that injunction, we successfully sought to hold her in contempt. She was ordered to to spend 37 days in jail (reduced from 40 because the Judge didn’t like the Biblical connections with that number.)

While in jail, she sent me a Christmas card (really!) with the following verse:

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matthew 18:6. (Ho ho ho)

So apparently, that was her justification for being virulently anti abortion.

Is based on a man pulling out early during intercourse with a woman and spilling his seed on the ground. In the OT abortion is okay if the woman had an affair and got pregnant. They would give her bitter water to induce abortion. Jesus never talked about sex or abortion. He just said that a man can only divorce a woman for adultery.

There are theology books on the subject in libraries & book stores.

"The Separation of Church and Hate." You can hear and read excerpts from it is many of his recent book tour interviews and podcasts, but the book is far more thorough. He puts all the issues in historical context, as well.

Remember, if the Church is not a building as Christians like to say, then neither is the Temple.

And that is defined at birth. OK, so a woman has a stillbirth....is she guilty of manslaughter? How far will these people go in their twisted view of reality?

If he disagreed with Orthodox Jewish teachings about life beginning at first breath, it might have been a big enough deal to make it into the Bible.

In any discussion about the Jesus, I like to bring up the fact that Jesus preached in the Temple, and was called Rabbi. According to Jewish law, Jesus would have to be married to do that. A Jewish friend once added that if Jesus was not married, Jews would not have listened to a word....

...nothing really.

I could actually make a solid case against Christmas.

Ironic isn't it?

The old testament supports forced abortion if a husband thinks his wife is pregnant by another man. However, Jesus never addressed it.

- about 16 to 22 weeks into pregnancy - which is in the second trimester and is pretty close to the Roe framework (elective abortion could be banned at the point of viability - third trimester).

Assuming that there was a Jesus as described in the New Testament, the words recorded there don't discuss abortion, homosexuality, contraception nor many other things. Christianity is an interpretation of what someone says that Jesus said, over 2000 years ago.

How many other accounts of things that happened 2000 years ago do we pay attention to?

Jesus is irrelevant when it comes to abortion, contraception, any other rights women have.

And something about loving your neighbor. All news to the redhatted.

... people cite the Bible in condemning it... BUT there is no specific, direct command that forbids abortion. It used to be that "life" began when the baby was born... and God provided its first breath. In the old days, there were fines, sometimes, if you caused a woman to lose the baby of a nobleman, you would have to "pay" - a small fine.. maybe two chickens. I think, today, many believe God is present at conception and has a "plan" for every life, from that moment. "I knew you in the womb" is often cited. This is also why that (?) Politician said "legitimate rape" - I can't recall his name - it's because God/Jesus would not permit conception in a "real" rape. "The woman's body has a way of shutting that down," he said, with Jesus' help. Of course, the original intent is to make as many Jewish people as possible, as the OT God says, "Go forth and multiply!" In the NT, that means make more Christians. Today, abortion does not help make more Christians.

It answers your questions.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/john-fugelsang

He did, however, speak at length about "welcoming the stranger" and "caring for the least of us".
Somehow MAGAT "Christians" missed those parts.