the turd is in the voters' pockets. They elected these creeps.

So when SNAP recipients were experiencing major anxiety about not getting food, they were actually patriots, on the frontlines of experiencing first hand Trump's indifference. This will make them stronger. They will vote correctly

LOL

Wake up America, Chump hates ALL OF US who aren't billionaires and who aren't showering him with grift.

It's time to be rid of him once and for all ...

and the idea that a government shutdown - with all the pain and chaos engendered - was winning large numbers to the Democratic cause ....
Hmmmm .... More like, "a pox on both your houses!" (and getting uglier with every week)

That was the risk we were taking with letting this thing go on.

Not to mention that the senators, such as Kaine, were directly serving their state constituents. It's their job.

despite some of the frothy cheerleading that occasionally accompanies our own (DU) ranks.

It seems to have left other newspapers in the dust.

has done to The NYTimes, WaPo, LATimes, etc, etc.

And most interesting is the submissions by ABC, NBC, WaPo, and CBS: 60 Minutes, using the threat of lawsuits against them to get Trump tens of millions in "settlements" and rolling over to the Republican's pressure..........

NOW, Trump is going after BBC, suing for ONE BILLION DOLLARS.........and BBC appears to be already beginning to roll over by firing people from it's staff..

Well said.


And Go Birds!!

Ok. Its not really, not much to do with WWII was actually funny. But the historic fact is that the french Vichy government was also great at talking about how their collaboration was the least worst option.

I really was not expecting to be revisiting this in a personal way in my lifetime. But here we are.

That's a gross exaggeration from my perspective, heavy on the gross part.

The Dems who voted for reopening had their own reasons because as Democrats we don't always march in the same direction. The 'herding of cats' description of the Democratic Party is pretty accurate, IMHO. We come to table with different voices and opinions and attitudes. That does not make us traitors; it makes us independent thinkers.

Just for the record, I was hoping for another week or two of pushing back, sticking a thumb into Republican eyes because I'm obstinate and hate giving up. But . . .

I truly do not think the result would have been any different beyond a lot of Americans suffering. Trump and his lackeys simply DO NOT CARE.

This was a single battle; it didn't go our way. Last Tuesday night, however, a lot of things went our way.

We still have a war in front of us. We need to be ready because a reckoning is definitely coming.

during one of the busiest times of the year coupled with the federal furloughs and the denial of SNAP benefits that were already earmarked for them likely pushed the deal to reopen the government.

I know some of them, I still live in an area (where the local elections swung in the opposite direction in some races) that while hopefully dwindling in power and numbers is full of warped christian, racist or homophobic magatonians. Lord know where they get their info but any ex dem president or dem in general is still the cause of all the problems. They do seem to believe in some of the basic ideals of what dems stand for ironically, though their solutions are not well thought out/ lean toward austere, judgemental and authoritarian. Didn't want to burst anyone's bubble after the great election results in most areas and I do feel the tide is turning but it has not reached everyone, absolutely hasn't. Who ever allowed Faux noise to be put on the air ways and into our military spaces so long ago and continues to not call out the outright lying (though it's hard to keep up with) should be blamed on some level and measures need to be put in place to stop this behavior in the future.

We have the secret police, we have the complete capture of government and industry, we have the concentration camps. We have the citizens with their heads in the sand, trying to pretend all is well, all is normal, just get to the next election, and all will be well.

And we have collaborators.

That's where we are.

And yes, all the things you mention are happening. But what is also happening are Americans fighting back in the streets, in the courts, even in halls of Congress where the message of resistance is beginning to get traction.

The shutdown ended on a sour note. But there are more balls in the air--the Epstein files, the worsening economy, the mind-blowing grift and corruption, the continuing cruel and lawless roundup of immigrants, etc., and yes, even the endless battle for affordable healthcare.

Along with the 2026 midterms will be primaries which means dissatisfied Dems can choose candidates to better reflect their views and their demands for reform. The No Kings group, Indivisible, reportedly plans to drop significant funds into those primaries and help elect more progressive candidates. Mamdani's spectacular win in NYC is a huge opportunity to show that progressive ideas with the right leadership can and will work, even in a sprawling city the size of New York.

But Dems and the country have to get to the 2026 elections in one piece for that to happen. We also need to be prepared that Trump and Republicans will do everything and anything to upturn, rig and poison the vote.

I'm guessing the 2026 elections will be the genuine turning point.

We gotta be ready,

your Reasonable posts.

My thinking is Sen Kaine and Senators Rosen and Cortez Masto heard so much from their Constituents On the No Pay for 2 months and Air Travel Crisis hitting Las Vegas that they voted the way they did on the Shutdown.

And, the Voters in those 2 Staes will be voting for them again.. unless something goes wrong. Same with Gov elect Spanberger, who spoke out for Virginians.

Senator Gary Peters is retiring and Sen Fetterman will be getting a Primary opponent.

I don't know who else voted Yes... For Indivisible to "primary"?

Always good to hear from you.

Yes, I believe many of the senators who voted as they did, voted in good faith. I don't necessarily agree with the their position but I'm not a representative of a hurting constituency, nor am I a fly on the wall privy to their private thoughts or conversations.

I'm just a regular Democrat who honestly believes that the Democratic Party is fighting for the rule of law, human dignity and the continuation of the US Constitution.

That means something.

For our way of life, our kids, our grand babies, for all of our futures that means everything.

And yes, we have the right and civic responsibility to primary those representatives we believe have come up short.

We shall see, as they say. Take care if yourself!

And, Congratulations' to PA For Retaining the Dem Judges on the State SC!

You Take Good Care And, TY for this Article!

Thank you, exactly how long do we expect federal employees to work without pay? Or how long are people expected to go without food? When have we ever had 100% of the senate democrats rowing in the same direction? Senator Kaine is representing his constituents and did what he is paid to do and what he thought was best. I hope that enough people have received the rate increases that even some of the republicans will reconsider their vote. BTW if the House was not in session, we wouldn’t be talking about the latest President Pedo news.

I think their plan is to drop the Ice hammer before we get there.

That said.. In my opinion, this shtudown was the first piece of resistance that was actually having an effect. And voters rewarded democrats for it. And then democrats collaborated with Trump and his followers to snuff that resistance right as it was rewarded. If we are allowed an election, that will harm us all, across the country.

You can’t “negotiate” when the opposition is utterly soulless and has gone full scorched earth.

All of that drama was just to make Trump look bad? That is pretty cynical and manipulative.

Last week's elections happened before the surrender. That seems to indicate that they should not have surrendered, not that they should.

Republicans demonstrating their terribleness YET AGAIN isn't changing anyone's vote.

Meanwhile, thousands will lose their healthcare, EVERYONE will pay more for healthcare, and many will die.

because they can't afford to see a doctor.

I suppose, unless the GOP come up with some promised ACA votes. With primary season in full swing, another shutdown then gets more performative.

A few Democrats made all of the Republicans and Trump change their minds, no small feat, to increase SNAP benefits, and to rehire the federal workers, with full back pay, while know-who was happy to stiff everyone.

As Lawrence also mentioned, no one, historically has achieved significant concessions from a shutdown.

Progress, not perfection. And now Epstein is back on the table.

Who's gonna stop him?

Again - who, exactly, is going to stop him? Does he have to "fund" the ACA subsidies? So, can he withhold those monies just like he did SNAP benefits?

I have a LOT of questions for these Democrats.

Trump moves faster than the courts, thanks to his lawless lackeys in charge of our government.

what is an "enforceable" ruling? So far, trump has not had a conviction result enforced upon him. Even these days, when it's courts ruling against sending in troops to our cities, etc., he still continues to do it, and I don't see anyone stopping him.

It's a show of massive weakeness that only comes from total rigidity.

Their base is already starting to fracture. It's only a matter of time until they do, too, and every outrage gets those little cracks just a bit wider.

Why doesn't that seem to concern folks?

and it provides that states would be reimbursed for money they spent to keep the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, known as SNAP, and the Women, Infants and Children program, or WIC, running during the shutdown.

Because - - Trump.
And, just out of curiosity - how would that play into your position on the shutdown .. ?

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I knew I was angry with the Senators that caved and my first thoughts were, we're just to weak to be as mean as him. Because in the end, that's what is required. The ability to not see people suffering in order to "win".

I do think the timing and explanations could have been better. I think if that was sincerely their reason to end the shutdown, they should have worked harder for broader support and not take the first opportunity once the numbers were there. Quite frankly, Fetterman doesn't count except towards the actual count. Masto almost seems anti Democratic Party. And to not have leadership support all but guarantees calls for Schumers removal. Even if you couldn't get their vote, I'm sure at the very least you could have recieved moral support when the sh*t hit the fan and they could have publicly defended your reasons. It was a bad strategy even if it was for a good reason.
You could've given Democrats at least a week to enjoy the wins before knocking the winds out of their sail. Also, the courts were ordering SNAP to be paid immediately. The air travel restrictions would have had a negative impact on the Republicans 10X worse that Democrats. The biggest benefit for us is Congress is forced to comeback and swear in our new Congress woman from Arizona, Grijalva.

Around 30 million americans travel by air during the Thanksgiving holiday. Do you have a basis for claiming that only 2.7 million of them are Democrats while 27 million are Repubs? Would love to see that documented.

Moreover, air travel, particularly at the holidays, skew away from older Americans, who tend to be the ones that host out of town family members. And older Americans -- the ones most likely to stay home -skew towards Repubs, albeit not by anything near a 10-1 margin.

"Politically". They are in charge and it is obvious they are responsible and therefore they are politically impacted to a greater degree. The 10X more part, I pulled out of my ...

immediately.

politicly when the Red state MAGAs see their insurance rates double or lose it altogether. Maybe need some tough love.

to let them know we're tired of looking like and being the party that gives in to the bullies. There should be no bullies or kings in good government. Someone needs to hold that line.

"The fight goes on"?
The "gang of eight" literally just ended this fight in abject surrender. (As a late-night comedian noted.)
True, the Dems were up against a cabal of heartless psychopaths, but they knew this going in when they started the fight.
Yuu don't walk up to a bully, slug him in the mouth, then cower while bleating, "Please don't hurt me!"

PS. You are also pointedly ignoring the fact that:

1.) Chuck Shumer carefully orchestrated this outcome behind the scenes whilst professing to stand with progressives, and
2.) the excuses some of the "gang of eight" gave for capitulating to oligrachy were nauseating in the extreme. "A promsie to hold a future vote in December"?!

Yay!

and the way the Democratic party decided to deal with the bully was to let him give them a wedgie.

Yay! We win!

What a fucking joke.

Thank you posting this. I agree with it totally. The American people have spoken,

if anyone was confused about who cares and who does not, the past few weeks were sheer proof

The important word is enemy.

“… indiscriminately blew up small boats… “

WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THEM!

fify

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Every Thing That Trump Touches Turns To 💩 Shit

My issue is going into the shutdown knowing that and shutting it all down and causing people immense worry and not have an endgame that would be worth it. All that basically happened was a temporary pause with nothing concrete just the same okay open the government and we will discuss mind you they said that last time.

or that Republican policies would have any affect on them. Even now, a lot of people still support the Administration.

Until directly affected, many of us can't see or don't pay attention to the hardships others are experiencing.

What has changed was reflected in last week's election.

Our end-game must be to take back Congress next November and win every possible court battle and special election until then.

Mahalo, PeggySue & The Philly Inquirer.

caring about others, being kind, encouraging those who feel hopeless, living your life with truth and integrity. Those are the values worth fighting for and the values that promote democracy.

So it strikes me that the Senate Dems who voted to reopen the government did so with empathy and compassion for those who weren't getting paid during the government shutdown and were terrified they and their kids would starve, for those who couldn't pay their bills and were terrified of being evicted or losing their homes, of being unable to afford life-saving medications, and for those who were being laid off/fired by Trump and Vought. Isn't that actually what Snyder was advocating?

Those who stayed kind, human, empathetic were instrumental in WWII in giving hope to the hopeless and helping them endure.

He said in Chapter 19 "Set a good example of what America means for the generations to come. They will need it." He was talking about more than just patriotism.

Our values deserve to win the battle of ideologies, they are about ensuring all are respected, treated justly, and are able to live with dignity and freedom. Living up to them keeps us worthy of winning.

I don't think the Senate Dems lost us anything. They were true to their, and our, values. That may seem intangible. But it matters.

It's possible the Republicans think they won. They did not. They've lost hearts and minds more broadly even than before.

Thanks for posting