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choie

(6,849 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 10:46 PM Nov 2025

Thune says they will not extend the ACA subsidies unless tougher abortion

restrictions are put in place. That was a great agreement you got there, Democratic senators.

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Thune says they will not extend the ACA subsidies unless tougher abortion (Original Post) choie Nov 2025 OP
Not so much fooled as wrongheaded premise about the battle pat_k Nov 2025 #1
+1 leftstreet Nov 2025 #3
Looks like those that stuck their necks out just had them chopped off by Thune. dem4decades Nov 2025 #2
They knew, Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #15
I blame Schumer. dem4decades Nov 2025 #18
I do too. Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #33
Ya, you just run with that Thuneboy. aeromanKC Nov 2025 #4
Yeah, aren't the Dems so crafty. choie Nov 2025 #5
Triple Bonus: Epstein files release now on front burner aeromanKC Nov 2025 #7
Sure just like we get a vote...oh wait now Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #34
The art of breaking the deal. Frasier Balzov Nov 2025 #6
Dems should offer to vote for law that will prevent THUNE and all GQPs from ever getting an abortion--- Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #8
How many Democratic Senators will agree with this? The same 8? dem4decades Nov 2025 #9
I hope not: Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #35
MotherFuckers one and all spanone Nov 2025 #10
Great job everyone! RockRaven Nov 2025 #11
I favor tougher "retroactive abortion" laws, which would apply to Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #12
And there we are. Lucy and the football. But the leaders knew. So Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #13
I guess the ACA is a goner and once it is gone, I don't see how it ever comes back. Marie Marie Nov 2025 #14
They want to kill the ACA then move on to abortion. dem4decades Nov 2025 #19
Well, why not. Democrats in Congress have proven they have no backbone. Baitball Blogger Nov 2025 #16
Start with Schumer, it was his deal. dem4decades Nov 2025 #20
but, but, but Lawrence O' said its a great trade for the epstein files, it must have some kind of healing properties to yaesu Nov 2025 #17
I'm glad you mentioned that! BigmanPigman Nov 2025 #27
The same Lawrence O' BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #30
Good luck with that. Women vote, you cretins. Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #21
I am starting to wonder for how much longer jfz9580m Nov 2025 #23
How long did that Repuke promise last before the flip flop? 24 hours? AZ8theist Nov 2025 #22
There was a recent thread about Durbin addressing Thune DFW Nov 2025 #24
Durbin isn't that stupid BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #31
Thanks a lot Senate 8 plus their fearful leader AllyCat Nov 2025 #25
At least those holiday flights will take off! durablend Nov 2025 #36
Tim Kaine Said What? ColoringFool Nov 2025 #26
Never trust a republican. C Moon Nov 2025 #28
Gee? Who'd a thunk something like THAT would happen? Pas-de-Calais Nov 2025 #29
Holding people's health hostage while imposing Christian make believe. That's the Rs. Sibelius Fan Nov 2025 #32
So Thune lied yet again. Color me shocked. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #37
But no one could have predicted durablend Nov 2025 #38

pat_k

(12,970 posts)
1. Not so much fooled as wrongheaded premise about the battle
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 10:52 PM
Nov 2025

It seems to me there is widespread false premise that the only "win" would be getting an extension of the ACA subsidies. But there were two ways to win:

1) Trumpublicans ended the shutdown by adding an ACA subsidy extension

2) Trumpublicans ended the shutdown by jettisoning the filibuster.


The shutdown was going to end. Under increasing pressure from the malignant narcissist-in-chief and rank and file dread of their constituents hating on them over Thanksgiving Dinner, Thune would have ended the filibuster. The result:

-Instead of saying, "Why oh why did the Dems subject us to this pain for nothing," more would be livid with: "You mean you could have ended this by getting rid of the filibuster before it even started!!!"

-Democrats would be the ones that stood strong, doing battle on behalf of the American people with the leverage they had right up to the point that that leverage was forcibly taken from them.

-Our Democratic electeds would have demonstrated an unprecedented strength.

-People who support the Democratic Party would be riding as high as they were on Friday. Enraged by the ACA loss, but proud as hell of the strength demonstrated.

-The depravity and cruelty shown by the felon during the shutdown would be all the more evident as his Trumpublicans took 100% responsibly for the horror show.

If you are angry, as I am, when we contact Democratic leaders I think we need to be crystal clear that they failed us, not be failing to get their demands met, they failed us because in this fight we had faith that they would (1) make their demand, (2) hold out until either (a) MAGA R's met the demand, or (b) MAGA R's went nuclear and ended the shutdown on their own, without the complicity or capitulation of the Democrats.

dem4decades

(13,937 posts)
2. Looks like those that stuck their necks out just had them chopped off by Thune.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 10:54 PM
Nov 2025

Great job.

aeromanKC

(3,872 posts)
4. Ya, you just run with that Thuneboy.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 10:55 PM
Nov 2025

Dems are playing 3D chess putting the GOP into the corner with healthcare. They knew the rats would take the cheese. Healthcare increases are now fully in the GOP's laps. Bonus as predictable the rats go to their losing abortion stance. How quick they forget about the Blue Wave last week. We the people are done with their shit!!

Demsrule86

(71,531 posts)
34. Sure just like we get a vote...oh wait now
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:29 AM
Nov 2025

We have to dismantle abortion rights for a vote. We have been played, and until we change leadership, it will continue.

Frasier Balzov

(5,002 posts)
6. The art of breaking the deal.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:01 PM
Nov 2025

Hang it around Trump's neck.

Just like the betrayals of Rescission 2025 needed to be wailed about from the rooftops.

This is (what Republicans arrogantly believe is) the art of breaking the deal.

Extending the reach of the anti-choice Right into majority blue states as the price for opening the federal government?

Less of Trump!

Jack Valentino

(4,807 posts)
8. Dems should offer to vote for law that will prevent THUNE and all GQPs from ever getting an abortion---
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:08 PM
Nov 2025

or PAYING for one.....




Every time the word "puppet" is sung here, replace it with "Republican"!---

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Like this:


(Male voice):
When I was a young boy, I'd climb into my bed.
My mother would turn off the light, and pat my little
head.
She'd speak of lessons she had learned,
Important wisdom passed along.
Then she'd stand in my shadowed room
And sing this little song.

(Female/high voice):
Never trust a Republican,
Republicans are un--true.
No matter what the Republican says,
he don't care bout' you.
Never trust a Republican,
Republicans are in-sin-cere.
Some how every-one finds out,
what you whisper in a Republicans ear.[


When I was a young girl,
I got a Republican for my birth-day.
We went everywhere together,
we played, and laughed, and sang.

But the Republican started lying,
and taking things that didn't belong to it.
And saying inappropriate things at my parents parties.
And one night when I was asleep, the Republican ran away.

Never trust a Republican,
or the feelings that they share.
There is something not quite right,
in a Republicans stare.

Never give your heart to a Republican,
always stay on your guard.
Republicans will betray you.....
Republicans are really weird.

When I was a tiny girl,
my aunt had a little lamb Republican.
She'd use it as a oven mitt,
and take a hot casserole out of the oven.
Then she'd chase me around the house,
with the Republican on her hand.
Screaming..
"I BURNT MY TONGUE, I BURNT MY TONGUE!"



Never trust a Republican,
Republicans are un--true.
No matter what the Republican says,
he don't care bout' you.



Jack Valentino

(4,807 posts)
12. I favor tougher "retroactive abortion" laws, which would apply to
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:21 PM
Nov 2025

Republican politicians......................

Marie Marie

(11,150 posts)
14. I guess the ACA is a goner and once it is gone, I don't see how it ever comes back.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:22 PM
Nov 2025

If anything replaces it, it will be another handout to the insurance industry and will do little to help those that need the subsidies to afford insurance.

Baitball Blogger

(52,062 posts)
16. Well, why not. Democrats in Congress have proven they have no backbone.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:31 PM
Nov 2025

I really hope those eight get primaried.

yaesu

(9,204 posts)
17. but, but, but Lawrence O' said its a great trade for the epstein files, it must have some kind of healing properties to
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:10 AM
Nov 2025

replace ACA, right?, he's God here, right?

BigmanPigman

(54,940 posts)
27. I'm glad you mentioned that!
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:40 AM
Nov 2025

I was cooking in my kitchen and I unfortunately had MSNBC on. This confirms that MSNBC is bought and paid for. Lawrence and Ali Velshi were the only ones I thought worthy of my viewership. Now I guess Ali is the only one left. MSNNOW is MSNNEVER!
This is why I get my news from podcasts now. They are not shoving corporate shit down my throat.

M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$NBC...NEVER MSNBC!

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
30. The same Lawrence O'
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:38 AM
Nov 2025

That thinks John Glenn was a Navy pilot? He has no credibility with me. He's a mouth breather.

jfz9580m

(16,803 posts)
23. I am starting to wonder for how much longer
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:04 AM
Nov 2025

It would probably be some sort sleazy, bogus MAGA “REAL FEMINIST ” movement that kills suffrage if they can go it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/allie-beth-stuckey-conservative-womanhood/679470/

Trust the reliably sleazy Atlantic to write a sunshiny piece on this horrible woman. The Atlantic boasts the awful, Pronatalist and anti-abortion but from the “left”, Liz Bruenig as well as the abundantly douchey, stale centrist shill Derek Thompson, who is now reducing Mamdani’s win to affordability only.

It would find support from the types of people who consider this rubbish feminist:

https://www.salon.com/2025/11/06/alls-fair-and-the-problem-with-kim-kardashian/



Sadly, I can imagine the Sinclair Lewis quote applying here..when they come for suffrage it will be weirdly, however unconvincingly, tricked out as feminist (i.e. with a parade of Maga women-MTG, Boebert, a collection of sleazy influencers, Candace Owens etc spear-heading it).

This is a historic low for women’s rights.

DFW

(60,005 posts)
24. There was a recent thread about Durbin addressing Thune
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:24 AM
Nov 2025

Durbin told Thune that he needed Thune to come through on the ACA vote because Durbin’s little group was “sticking their necks out” for him. My comment on that was to note that “sticking her neck out” is the last thing Marie Antoinette ever did.

Thune has to be laughing his ass off, thinking, “I can’t believe it, he swallowed the whole thing, hook, line and sinker.” I guess by now, Durbin has to be thinking the same thing.

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