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LilElf70

(1,384 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:59 AM Nov 21

Am I missing something?

"You have the right to not obey illegal orders"

Ya know, I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but even I can interpret this correctly.

So how come the orange one and his lil minions do not understand what this means?

Their responses have unfortunately crossed the line. Death to elected officials? Unbelievable.

Let me introduce a few new words for the right - Treason, corruption, impeachment.... Oh wait, they should be familiar with impeachment already.

When is this shit going to STOP?????

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Am I missing something? (Original Post) LilElf70 Nov 21 OP
When it is stopped. OldBaldy1701E Nov 21 #1
Under Military Law pfitz59 Nov 21 #2
The media doesn't seem to get it either Endlessmike56 Nov 21 #3
All for reminding troops. But can you imagine first trial defining "illegal order" under trump's miliary &/or DOJ. Silent Type Nov 21 #4
It's simple. If he orders troops to shoot protesters, that's an illegal order. Walleye Nov 21 #5
I agree. But you can bet trump will couch it as protestors were breaking into say a federal ICE facility. Don't think Silent Type Nov 21 #8
Apparently, we can't count on young men to think for themselves. Look at the ICE troops and their behavior. Walleye Nov 21 #11
"Evil people don't stop doing evil things when you ask them to" Seinan Sensei Nov 21 #22
I associate myself with those remarks. Good job. Walleye Nov 21 #25
Trump wanted troops to shoot protesters in the legs back in 2020. sop Nov 21 #9
Everything Trump believes in came from TV shows. Walleye Nov 21 #10
Trump wants the military to commit crimes for him. Irish_Dem Nov 21 #6
They are already committing crimes without objections William Seger Nov 21 #17
Trump is threatening to take away rank and pensions. And face court martial. Irish_Dem Nov 21 #30
They understand it fine BlueKota Nov 21 #7
Yes, we have to squarely face up to this situation. The law is no longer apply to this administration. Walleye Nov 21 #12
I see Trump freaking out about the Democrats' messaging about illegal orders, and I want to ask him... Efilroft Sul Nov 21 #13
It all depends on leadership. New recruits don't know what to do. surfered Nov 21 #14
It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. Albert Camus Ping Tung Nov 21 #15
They are in a cult. Emile Nov 21 #16
They are freaking out because they are counting on the military NH Ethylene Nov 21 #18
Didn't Trump refer to military members as suckers and losers? BattleRow Nov 21 #20
They understand. evolves Nov 21 #19
You are missing something. In the orange universe no Trump order is illegal. Period! Full stop! flashman13 Nov 21 #21
It stems from the belief odins folly Nov 21 #23
The Pukes turned unlawful into lawful orders. pwb Nov 21 #24
His words do matter vapor2 Nov 21 #26
When? ._. Nov 21 #27
The king of diversion strikes again malaise Nov 21 #28
Two Words wcollar Nov 21 #29
authoritarians do not like to hear the word NO Skittles Nov 21 #31

pfitz59

(12,327 posts)
2. Under Military Law
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:04 AM
Nov 21

every Service Member has the duty to refuse 'illegal orders'. Look up 'My Lai Massacre' for an example of an illegal order.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
4. All for reminding troops. But can you imagine first trial defining "illegal order" under trump's miliary &/or DOJ.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:14 AM
Nov 21

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
5. It's simple. If he orders troops to shoot protesters, that's an illegal order.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:16 AM
Nov 21

And who among us thinks he wouldn’t do it?

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
8. I agree. But you can bet trump will couch it as protestors were breaking into say a federal ICE facility. Don't think
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:23 AM
Nov 21

it will be straight forward.

I hope the courts ultimately conclude that is an "illegal order." But I wouldn't bet on it. Not like he hasn't sent troops to cities already, which would seem to be illegal as well.

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
11. Apparently, we can't count on young men to think for themselves. Look at the ICE troops and their behavior.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:51 AM
Nov 21

Seinan Sensei

(1,377 posts)
22. "Evil people don't stop doing evil things when you ask them to"
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:39 AM
Nov 21

“They stop when you stop them”
(Internet meme)

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
25. I associate myself with those remarks. Good job.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:18 PM
Nov 21

And nobody gives anybody their rights they have to be insisted on and taken. “Todos tenemos derechos” As stated by the congressman from New Mexico in Spanish on the floor of the House

sop

(17,471 posts)
9. Trump wanted troops to shoot protesters in the legs back in 2020.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:31 AM
Nov 21

Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper's memoir, 'A Sacred Oath,' stated Trump suggested troops should shoot protesters in the legs during a meeting in the Oval Office in June 2020 amid widespread protests following the death of George Floyd. Trump asked Esper and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?"

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
10. Everything Trump believes in came from TV shows.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:49 AM
Nov 21

We are not in the old West westerns, people with six shooters “it’s just a flesh wound“. Those weapons tear the leg off.

Irish_Dem

(79,889 posts)
6. Trump wants the military to commit crimes for him.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:19 AM
Nov 21

And he will commit the crime of threatening to murder people who oppose him.

William Seger

(12,217 posts)
17. They are already committing crimes without objections
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:05 AM
Nov 21

The extrajudicial executions of "narcoterrorists" is outrageously illegal, and I am extremely disappointed that apparently NO ONE refused to commit those murders. That doesn't bode well for future illegal orders, IMO.

Irish_Dem

(79,889 posts)
30. Trump is threatening to take away rank and pensions. And face court martial.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 04:26 PM
Nov 21

No one will cross him.

BlueKota

(5,053 posts)
7. They understand it fine
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:21 AM
Nov 21

They just don't believe the law applies to him and his orders, and as long as the SC6, continues to kneel to him, it doesn't.

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
12. Yes, we have to squarely face up to this situation. The law is no longer apply to this administration.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:53 AM
Nov 21

Catching them, breaking laws, exposing them taking corruption, it doesn’t do any good

Efilroft Sul

(4,321 posts)
13. I see Trump freaking out about the Democrats' messaging about illegal orders, and I want to ask him...
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 10:35 AM
Nov 21

…Why, were you thinking about having the troops do something illegal soon?

Ping Tung

(4,143 posts)
15. It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. Albert Camus
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 10:55 AM
Nov 21

The executioners at Auschwitz, Chełmno, Majdanek, Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka were "Just following orders" that they believed to be "legal".

At some point it is up to the individual to choose which orders are moral. Whether their labeled "legal" or "illegal".

NH Ethylene

(31,294 posts)
18. They are freaking out because they are counting on the military
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:07 AM
Nov 21

To do all sorts of things that may be illegal, from taking over Dem cities by force to bombing innocent people in fishing boats.

evolves

(5,739 posts)
19. They understand.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:20 AM
Nov 21

They are just counting on their mouth-breathing base to not pay attention and to only listen to the verbal diarrhea they are spewing.
The louder they scream, the more they know that the MAGAts will foam at the mouth.

flashman13

(2,040 posts)
21. You are missing something. In the orange universe no Trump order is illegal. Period! Full stop!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:26 AM
Nov 21

Don't give up the ship.

odins folly

(548 posts)
23. It stems from the belief
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:55 AM
Nov 21

That what ever he says is OK because he said it was. Nixon once said that if the president does it it’s not illegal. Watergate proved him wrong.

From the beginnings of faux news, hardcore conservatives have been trying to overturn what watergate brought.

pwb

(12,465 posts)
24. The Pukes turned unlawful into lawful orders.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:16 PM
Nov 21

Mini Mike is saying lawful orders to divert from the truth. The Veterans said Unlawful orders are not to be obeyed.

vapor2

(3,789 posts)
26. His words do matter
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:20 PM
Nov 21

but I still think he is distracting from Epstein AND his plummeting numbers including the economy. Remember he is the master of distraction but who knows what his actions will entail?

And I want to know WTF he wears an American flag pin when he hates this country

._.

(1,730 posts)
27. When?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:24 PM
Nov 21

It all comes to a screeching fucking halt when the Democrats take both houses of Congress!
Now, there may not be much left in a year, I don't know.

wcollar

(213 posts)
29. Two Words
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:46 PM
Nov 21

Nuremburg Trials

or in Meme form:
The people hiding Anne Frank were breaking the law.
The people who killed her were following it.
Just because it is legal does not mean it is lawful (or moral)
A reminder that the Nazis were hunted and tried well into their nineties.

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