I doubt they are mature enough for a woman even more passionate.

Too many female voters still will only vote for a man, even against their now interests, unfortunately but true.

No woman will be elected directly to the Office of the President. The first woman will assume the office because of a vacancy (ie, as Vice President).

As much as I like AOC's politics, she would never be elected.

At this juncture, it will be a male. Likely one of the Governors, as they are currently proving to be the ones with the most airtime.

She could not possibly win in the general election, so, no.

unless the supremes allow trump to run again and that allows obama to run against him

i love aoc, but we can not afford to take a chance.

Dems overthink the electability issue, imo. And what has it gotten us? Trump.
Clinton was the "safe choice in 2016." If we had gone with Bernie I think we would have won,.
Biden - and then Harris were the "safe choices" in 2024. If Biden had trown the race open sooner we might have gotten a stronger choice.

"If we had gone with Bernie I think we would have won."
(two rather staggering statements - right in a row. )

Lord have mercy, child .. !
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I voted for Sanders (to push Hillary a little more left) and fully recognize that the vast majority of Americans had no clue who he was and there was absolutely zero chance of him ever winning the nomination.

He was simply a stand-in for the "not Hillary" vote -- and the "not Hillary" vote lost resoundingly.

with a solid resume, some proven leadership, and likely better name recognition without obvious baggage.

Calling someone the safe choice is a misnomer. Although the media, some historians and many ordinary people want to ascribe the winner of the election as the "better choice",this is a comforting mythification.. Now, Trump having won twice should end that spurious logic.

You can always HYPOTHESIZE that a different choice might have changed a Democratic loss to a win, but it is not possible to know. You mention 2016, but Bernie NEVER went through the scrutiny that candidates considered potential winners are given in either the primaries or general election. It is true he might have won people Clinton lost, but he might have lost people who she won. Your best argument might be that it was a good year to appear to be an outsider.

In 2024, the process for Harris becoming the nominee was as bad as any in my life .. and I remember McGovern dropping Eagleton. Had Biden announced he was not running, the primaries would have given her or any other nominee some lift. Biden did some remarkable things, but he should have given Harris the type of high profile, important and likely successful roles Obama gave him. Additionally, after the midterms, he should have seriously considered announcing he wanted to concentrate on being President - if only because it was clear the media had already labeled him too old.

I think one major element in Harris losing was the war in Gaza. There was no politically good US role. The US did negotiate getting many hostages out and ceasefires that were quickly broken. We limited some weapons, but still supplied enormous amounts of bombs. People on both sides disagreed with this position.

It might have been if there were primaries no candidate, including Harris, would have been as connected to current policy.

She has never run a statewide race. She should run for the Senate; it could be a steppingstone for her. She needs some experience under her belt and also prove she can win a statewide race.

There is also no comparison to Obama. First of all, he was a sitting Senator (3 terms).

He had a law degree from Harvard. Prior to running for Senate, he was a community organizer, law professor and served for eight years as an Illinois State Senator.

Call me selfish, but I desperately want AOC to run for Senator in New York State. Schumer must go and she is the perfect choice.

I kind of think there's a major election before then. Am I wrong about that?

And as has been pointed out over and over again, this country clearly is not ready for a woman President.

We need to be putting our entire energy and focus 2026. It is mission critical.

If Republicans hold the house in January of 2029, they will award the presidency
to the Republican candidate for President whether he/she won the election or not.

But if they do, there will be rioting in the streets.

I'm not sure why so many here seem to think Dems will simply watch politely as Republicans try to steal elections. Dems everywhere are pushing back against various Republican bullshit. Mark Kelly is a good example.

AOC, Warren and a few others are more than capable. But will never get elected.
Many examples of female leaders in other countries to point to, but the mindset of the USA population is in the dark ages.

Newt and Ryan tried. Ryan was even a VP nominee. Ford became president but was appointed VP and became President when Dick N. quit.

While i think she could do the job, I'm not sure she could win over male swing voters. Like Hilary, the right has demonized AOC for a long time.

because they are in charge of a large bureaucracy, in their respective states, and the President is nothing if not
the oversight of a huge bureaucracy.

Service in the law making bodies is not the same level of experience.

2028, in terms of POTUS, unfortunately pretty much demands a straight (sorry Pete) white male as our nominee. The risk is far too great atm to keep on nominating women. Shameful, but true IMHO.

and it’s terrible that a woman can’t get elected in this country.

I agree 100%..............I like Chris Murphy - Connecticut.

I ADORE my Governor, Gavin Newsom but ........too progressive??.....

I’m a big supporter of AOC. We must win, though, so she’d have to show she has a good chance of being elected. Lots of time unfortunately until 2028.

I can TOTALLY see her as Senator. I'd love that

I like Pritzker or Kelly.

This is no knock on him, but Kelly is really not a charismatic character or speaker. He'd be a fine VP choice (hence his being on Kamala's short list), but I suspect he doesn't have the PR chops to win a General for us.

His family's roots are in Ukraine, so I can assure you he vehemently hayes russia.

Kinda wish he wasn’t a billionaire though…

Unfortunately, I agree about Kelly's lack of charisma.

I like Chris Murphy and Pritzker.

-Woman: check
-Brown skin: check

Maybe we should all listen to Michelle Obama:

"Former first lady Michelle Obama said in a conversation published to her YouTube page Friday that the country is not ready for a woman president, adding that the U.S. has “a lot of growing up to do.”

“As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain’t ready,” Obama said. “That’s why I’m like, don’t even look at me about running, because you all are lying. You’re not ready for a woman. You are not.”"

I agree with you.

I'm actually very glad that Michell Obama said what she said.

I can’t see her winning even one swing state. She should run for Schumer’s seat first.

to elect a woman as president, and that's not likely to change by 2028. Since neither Hillary Clinton nor Kamala Harris - two of the most well-qualified candidates of either gender ever to have run for the office - failed to defeat the worst, nastiest, dumbest, meanest marginally-human, white male ever to have done so, it should be agonizingly obvious that AOC, who is a talented politician but is young and lacks the qualifications of either of the brilliant women Trump defeated, has absolutely no chance, and we'll lose again if she's the nominee. I'm old, and it grieves me to know that I'm not likely ever to see any woman elected president and certainly not a rookie like AOC.

Listen to Michelle Obama. She spoke the sad truth.

As Michelle Obama said recently, that is the sad reality we face.

In any case, AOC isn’t running in 2028.

It is far more likely she will run for Schumer’s senate seat.

But unfortunately I'm not sure the country at large is mature enough to elect a gay man any more than they are enough so to elect an XX person as POTUS

Sadly, I agree.

I don't know about all 50 but IMHO, 90-95% of them wouldn't vote for her.

When you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
She'd probably be great but I want a Democrat to win.

that this country is too misogynistic to elect a woman president. Sometimes I feel like movin g to one that ISN'T. Right now even Mexico sounds good. As my grandpa used to say, I like the cut of Claudia Sheinbaum's jib. I'd go for Iceland but it's too damn cold.

Two white guys. Newsom/Shapiro. The US won’t accept anything else at this time. We have seen Hilary and Kamala Harris defeated by neanderthal fucktards. We can’t risk the destruction of what’s left of this country.
Make Leticia James US Attorney General and have something like Nuremberg Trials for Vance, Bannon, Miller, Kegsbreath, Noem, etc. for crimes against humanity. In Bannon’s case, also for crimes against the olfactory. In Vance’s case, also for crimes against living room furniture.

And he would absolutely carry Pennsylvania for us!

in "swing states" will vote for. Look at the last few presidential elections. Notice a pattern?

No matter how highly I think of AOC, my opinion of her doesn't change my expectation of American voters. Which is rock fucking bottom.

We need to choose someone who can win, and to do that we have to be honest, not aspirational, about how American voters behave.

The person we nominate has to win. I’m wondering if this country even survives Trump. My dream is to have a progressive President like AOC. It would be a big step to a truly equitable society in the US. President Biden brought us closer and I hope we go all the way. When the country is ready for that, however, I don’t know.

Unless it is meant as a joke? But we do that in the Lounge, not in General Discussion.

And yes, I know they're all white guys and I'm not happy about that fact. But a Democratic presidential win has got to be our highest and most important priority, and we must take every crucial step to seeing that it happens.

I'd settle for him being VP, to add to his resume.

In 2011, 27-year-old teacher Ellen Greenberg was found dead in her Philadelphia apartment with 20 stab wounds and multiple bruises. Her fiancé, Samuel Goldberg, found her body and called 911. The death was initially ruled a homicide by the medical examiner, but was later changed to a suicide after a meeting with police, who cited an internal lock on the apartment door and no signs of a struggle as evidence against a homicide.

Alleged Conflict of Interest: In July 2022, an independent journalist alleged that Shapiro had a personal connection to the Greenberg/Goldberg/Schwartzman families (the fiancé's family) through campaign donations and a shared private school connection. The fiancé's uncle is a politically connected judge.

The only reason I know this is because I'm a follower of true crime. One of my favorite YouTube channels is "Surviving the Survivor." They and several other Channels (YouTube), have given this case attention. I don't know a whole lot of details, but the family and the hosts bring up Shapiro's name in a very negative light. I think it could be a problem.

I can’t imagine AOC getting enough electoral votes to win

with AOC since she was first elected. A political rock star with smarts and flair! Of course, the GOP cadavers in Congress have tried over and over to convince the public that she is a lightweight. Ironically, some of her most strident critics have been the stupidest males in that body. Afraid she needs to move on to the Senate for a time before taking a run for the White House.

Well put!

Sadly, some of her most strident critics have been, and continue to be, on this website, too ....

Okay, as long as we make sure her Running Mate is named Tim.

Wait!

No.

with what this country is and HAS BEEN since its inception: an apartheid state that hates women, children, non-whites, the poor, the disabled, and the elderly.

The mechanisms for suppressing Democratic votes are becoming more pervasive all the time. Like Dominion has been taken over now.

Maybe Kamala actually lost, but I am no longer confident at all in our system.

This country is too bigoted to accept a woman as President.

I don’t see her bringing in additional states that Harris lost. Do you see her winning Georgia? Arizona? “Blue wall” states?

I’m not saying she can’t, but it’s a tough haul. I also don’t think the house is a good springboard for the presidency. I’m not going to even get into the race and gender part…

She should either shoot for a leadership role in the house or go for Schumer’s seat. I’d be surprised if he decides to run again.

AOC as President would make me extremely happy.
Progressive democrats would crawl over broken glass to vote for her.
But would anybody else?
I think the nation is MORE than ready for a Female President.
Does the nation think it's ready?
I don't know.
Truth.

Needs to be a moderate who can win us back some of our lost demos among the working and middle classes in both urban and rural areas. The recent elections of Spanberger and Sherril point the way.

I lean much more toward Kelly and Slotkin right now.

She will not win the primary, not even close. But she needs to run, she will excite the younger voters, they will follow her and vote for the ticket if she is on it

Harris was one of the most progressive senators according to voting record.

... Pete Buttigieg. I would add that I don't agree with the many who think/say we're "not ready" to elect a female President. I will remind - Hillary Clinton won the vote (she lost in the Electoral College). Kamala Harris had not much time and did not lose in the "landslide" always mentioned by the Felon. I think we should get past the "not ready" for black/female/gay nominees. I would say AOC may be a bit too left on the political spectrum... it's not her gender. Before being trashed by the oppositions, Hillary and Kamala were considered more moderate/middle. AOC is very smart... and young... she has a great future, though!

Until that is eliminated, our candidate must be able to get at least 65-70% of the country behind her (or him). That mandate might be hard to cheat against.

That provides time for AOC to grow into the levers and connections of the system.

American voters as a whole are not ready yet. Thankfully, the youth is our future. AOC will be a major positive force as a leader.

Many of us will not survive the ride to a better future.

We need leaders of a system that makes the World a better and safer place for people in general.

Now the system serves foreign and domestic special interests, often by violence or cruelty.

May the youth see past the indoctrination.

Hard to see the path. The nation and World will be a horror show if we do not find the path.

I remain convinced that AOC has a fertile brain and good heart.

I hope she runs for Senator.

candidates that provide cover for magats/gop to steal the election. It's possible that Harris won but trump had cover to steal it. Instead of looking at the process and potential fraud or issues, people just assumed the US "wasn't ready."

In 2028, I'd prefer for a candidate where, if they lose, everyone would immediately know the election was stolen. No more games.

We're fighting lawless, dishonest/corrupt thugs, so we have to be able to question outcomes without other factors clouding the issue.

For POTUS in 2028, I like Sen. Mark Kelly, Gov. J.B. Pritzger, and Gov. Gavin Newsom.

If the scumbags find a way to run the asshole a third time, he'd win easily.

We need someone like Newsom or Kelly.

Kelly - eh? His seat is too important in Arizona.

I think Pritzker or Kelly would be wonderful. And the dreamer in me would hope for Moore to at least try.

But the Survival Mode in me says: I've seen my country hate us even more since Obama. I'd fear for the backlash against my nieces and nephews and their children.

And no woman is going to get the nomination in 2028.

Not to mention "she won't win white, male, populist, votes.".

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams