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underpants

(195,927 posts)
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:33 PM Dec 2025

Pentagon confirms Trump and Hegseth made the call on the boat strikes

BREAKING: Pentagon Press Secretary Kingsley Wilson just put all of the responsibility of the Caribbean strikes on President Trump and Secretary Pete Hegseth.

"“The Secretary (Hegseth) has been very clear in every statement that we have released about these strikes that they are Presidentially directed and the chain of command functions as it should… At the end of the day, the Secretary and the President are the ones directing these strikes and any follow-on strikes like those directed by Admiral Bradley, the Secretary 100% agrees with.”


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The Pentagon just blew up the White House’s entire cover story.

Press Secretary Kingsley Wilson openly confirmed that the Caribbean strikes,including the follow-on strike that hit survivors, were “presidentially directed” and fully backed by Pete Hegseth.

No more hiding behind “rogue commanders.”

No more blaming the Navy.

No more pretending Hegseth “didn’t know.”

“The Secretary and the President are the ones directing these strikes… the Secretary 100% agrees with.”

This puts Trump and Hegseth directly on the hook for the operation the Senate and House are now investigating as a potential war crime.



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Pentagon confirms Trump and Hegseth made the call on the boat strikes (Original Post) underpants Dec 2025 OP
Well. This could get interesting. mwmisses4289 Dec 2025 #1
I'm joining you eShirl Dec 2025 #6
The buck stops with Trump - he is guilty of cold blooded murder. Blues Heron Dec 2025 #2
T💩p is also responsible for at least 500,000 dead Americans due to his Covid-19 BULLSHIT! OMGWTF Dec 2025 #18
Yes but pinning responsibility to markodochartaigh Dec 2025 #27
All people involved with that war crime Jerry2144 Dec 2025 #3
Oh no, can't do that Stardust Mirror Dec 2025 #45
the guy who wanted to shoot civilians in the legs? eShirl Dec 2025 #4
yep KS Toronado Dec 2025 #23
Miles Taylor was on Thom Hartmann today. markodochartaigh Dec 2025 #28
Oops! That's not going to sit well with Hegseth and Trumpkins. MineralMan Dec 2025 #5
What's funny is it's the first day for the knew compliant Pentagon Press Core. underpants Dec 2025 #8
Exactly. MineralMan Dec 2025 #9
We'll get more "fake news" comments. KS Toronado Dec 2025 #24
Well uh "direct" and "directing" can mean different things... underpants Dec 2025 #25
Trump was bragging he's going to do more strikes on land orangecrush Dec 2025 #32
Check F'ing Mate purr-rat beauty Dec 2025 #7
Wonder who's gonna take the fall for this.... Nittersing Dec 2025 #10
Karoline Leaveitt just gave General Bradley all the credit. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2025 #41
So they flat out admitted to a war crime? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2025 #11
Bradley knew better - not off the hook lame54 Dec 2025 #12
Here's Bradley's Wikipedia bio Zorro Dec 2025 #14
I'm not sure Bradley was involved. louis-t Dec 3 #63
Get him in front of a microphone lame54 Dec 3 #65
Anyone else here that used to play "Hot Potato" as a kid? Midnight Writer Dec 2025 #13
Lol! Dave Bowman Dec 2025 #31
There's a blast out of the past! Permanut Dec 2025 #34
Oh Yeah! Ilsa Dec 3 #58
Kingsley's Pentagon career is over. sop Dec 2025 #15
He'll get fired before the day is over. CanonRay Dec 2025 #16
She Tanuki Dec 2025 #20
So now rambler_american Dec 2025 #17
I'll volunteer for free KS Toronado Dec 2025 #29
Drastic way to distract from Epstein BOSSHOG Dec 2025 #19
Yes, a "drastic distraction" indeed! n/t Another Jackalope Dec 2025 #53
Whoa, Pentagon! Calling out the Cha Dec 2025 #21
Hegseth and Trump have lost control. DoD is acting independently. paleotn Dec 2025 #22
They are pushing back because clearly Hegseth and Trump were trying to scapegoat Bailey drray23 Dec 2025 #51
LOL!! She looked so smug with her answer.... Sogo Dec 2025 #26
Was she smug because she was defying her handlers or doing their bidding? Ilikepurple Dec 2025 #40
Miller has to be at the top Traildogbob Dec 2025 #30
As I recall trump can't be prosecuted for anything he does as the president per the Supreme Court. Biophilic Dec 2025 #33
Can he pardon Hegseth? highplainsdem Dec 2025 #39
I don't see why not. He seems to be able to pardon everyone else. Biophilic Dec 2025 #43
Yep that's the plan thought crime Dec 2025 #50
I heard that he can pardon Pete. nt Ilsa Dec 3 #59
He can, just 2 times as hard uponit7771 Dec 2025 #56
So they lied? Permanut Dec 2025 #35
Pentagon confirms that Trump and Hegseth are issuing illegal orders nakocal Dec 2025 #36
Well there it is. sheshe2 Dec 2025 #37
BOOM is right! 2MuchNoise Dec 2025 #44
Watching more about it on Ari's show. sheshe2 Dec 2025 #48
Want to see what REAL soldiers . . . not drunk woman-chasers . . . do when confronted with war crimes? AverageOldGuy Dec 2025 #38
Hegsbreath renaming defense to WAR shows intent! BidenRocks Dec 2025 #42
So, now will House and Senate rethugs STILL do NOTHING about this? bluestarone Dec 2025 #46
Duh, malaise Dec 2025 #47
LOCK THEM UP NameAlreadyTaken Dec 2025 #49
trump said I don't know kacekwl Dec 2025 #52
*Some people* find it unfortunate that there was no 'second strike' in Jack Valentino Dec 2025 #54
This admin is hot ass garbage uponit7771 Dec 2025 #55
What a surprise. B.See Dec 2025 #57
Pete and all the military officers involved must be court-martialed ecstatic Dec 3 #60
The finger pointing begins. But we know Trump and Hegseth are liars. surfered Dec 3 #61
Ooh, get ready for fireworks! With emphasis on "fire." Martin68 Dec 3 #62
None of this alters the fact that it was an illegal order. The commander in the field was obligated to say no. flashman13 Dec 3 #64
Surprisingly, or not, FormerOstrich Dec 4 #66
Finally, someone with courage. travelingthrulife Dec 4 #67

OMGWTF

(5,067 posts)
18. T💩p is also responsible for at least 500,000 dead Americans due to his Covid-19 BULLSHIT!
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:58 PM
Dec 2025

Jerry2144

(3,250 posts)
3. All people involved with that war crime
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:51 PM
Dec 2025

Need to face charges. From the sailor who pushed the button to launch the attack, through the Officer of the Deck on Watch on that ship, the CO, that admiral who the felon OSS trying to throw under the bus, and all the way up. Sec Nav, as well.

markodochartaigh

(5,365 posts)
28. Miles Taylor was on Thom Hartmann today.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:38 PM
Dec 2025

Mr Taylor was on the inside of the regime and it was a very interesting interview.

MineralMan

(151,053 posts)
5. Oops! That's not going to sit well with Hegseth and Trumpkins.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:54 PM
Dec 2025

Nope. They're not going to like that one little bit. Nosiree!

MineralMan

(151,053 posts)
9. Exactly.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:07 PM
Dec 2025

And now, that's the official word from the DOD(W).

Straight from the Press Secretary. Hilarious. Watch what happens next. "Err...uhh...she misspoke or something...we'll get back to you...uh...real soon..."

underpants

(195,927 posts)
25. Well uh "direct" and "directing" can mean different things...
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:32 PM
Dec 2025

I can see Baghdad Barbie going there tomorrow

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,969 posts)
11. So they flat out admitted to a war crime?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:09 PM
Dec 2025

The Congress now needs to haul everyone involved in these murders before them and finally get the truth out and then those involved need to face justice, except, of course, Pedonald thanks to the UnSupreme Court.

louis-t

(24,595 posts)
63. I'm not sure Bradley was involved.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 01:39 PM
Dec 3

Rachel Maddow said last night that the incident in question happened in September but Bradley was not at his current position until October.

Midnight Writer

(25,261 posts)
13. Anyone else here that used to play "Hot Potato" as a kid?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:23 PM
Dec 2025

In Indiana, it is known as "Hot Potatoe".

Tanuki

(16,398 posts)
20. She
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:15 PM
Dec 2025

is the daughter of former Trump advisor/ campaign surrogate Steve Cortes. Agree that she will be walking the plank imminently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsley_Wilson

rambler_american

(931 posts)
17. So now
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:58 PM
Dec 2025

Pete and the so-called president are injured and clinging to the damaged ship of state.. Will someone order a fatal second strike?

paleotn

(22,011 posts)
22. Hegseth and Trump have lost control. DoD is acting independently.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:26 PM
Dec 2025

I smell...."enough of this shit!"

drray23

(8,697 posts)
51. They are pushing back because clearly Hegseth and Trump were trying to scapegoat Bailey
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 09:22 PM
Dec 2025

Now of course that Admiral is also guilty but for a few hours, Hegseth and the rest of the clique tried to shift all the blame to him. The pentagon probably got pissed and decided to push back.

Sogo

(7,134 posts)
26. LOL!! She looked so smug with her answer....
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:35 PM
Dec 2025

I don't think she'll be so smug when she loses her job.

Ilikepurple

(548 posts)
40. Was she smug because she was defying her handlers or doing their bidding?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:15 PM
Dec 2025

I do hope it’s a sign that all of the Pentagon won’t fall in line publicly with whatever the administration does and says. But, I although I may have become too cynical, I’m leaning towards this statement being authorized by Hegseth or the Trump administration. I’ve seen way too many “gotcha” moments that have gotme rather than gotTrump or anybody in this administration.

Biophilic

(6,491 posts)
33. As I recall trump can't be prosecuted for anything he does as the president per the Supreme Court.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:52 PM
Dec 2025

So does that mean Hegseth takes the fall?

nakocal

(625 posts)
36. Pentagon confirms that Trump and Hegseth are issuing illegal orders
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:02 PM
Dec 2025

War crimes are being ordered.

AverageOldGuy

(3,675 posts)
38. Want to see what REAL soldiers . . . not drunk woman-chasers . . . do when confronted with war crimes?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:07 PM
Dec 2025

Go to Wikipedia and read about HUGH THOMPSON, GLENN ANDREOTTA, AND LAWRENCE COLBURN -- they are in the Wikipedia article about Thompson.

That's what real soldiers are made of.

BidenRocks

(3,097 posts)
42. Hegsbreath renaming defense to WAR shows intent!
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 05:17 PM
Dec 2025

We have not declared war on anyone and chump saying it doesn't make it so.

I demand Congress get involved so chump's maga supporters can go on record as supporting war crimes.

We are going to need a bigger gallows!

The only war we are in is the war of unintended consequences.

bluestarone

(21,964 posts)
46. So, now will House and Senate rethugs STILL do NOTHING about this?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 06:30 PM
Dec 2025

HELL YES they will do nothing!!

kacekwl

(9,064 posts)
52. trump said I don't know
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 09:23 PM
Dec 2025

anything about that. Would that be a lie then ? Piggy should ask him that.

ecstatic

(35,043 posts)
60. Pete and all the military officers involved must be court-martialed
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 03:30 AM
Dec 3

These disgusting, illegal strikes on fishing boats would not have happened if Naval officers had just said no. Apparently, at least one admiral did and was forced to resign. Kudos to him. But admiral Bradley belongs in jail along with Pete.

tRump's thugs need to understand that even if dump is invincible, they're not. They will get locked up when this shit show is over.

flashman13

(2,277 posts)
64. None of this alters the fact that it was an illegal order. The commander in the field was obligated to say no.
Wed Dec 3, 2025, 02:10 PM
Dec 3

They could have court marshaled that commander, but I doubt that they would. Why? Because the court would have to establish what order was refused. The commander's defense would have shown that the order was illegal under a number of different laws and regulations and why the commander was obligated not to carry out the order. Next question, who issued the illegal order ? The finger would have pointed straight up the chain of command to Hogsbreath and Trump. It's going to arrive at their doorstep now anyway.

It is a little known fact, but there really were a significant number of German soldiers that refused to commit murder or carry out other illegal orders. None of them were ever court marshaled. Why? Because the court would have had to establish what order was illegal. Theoretically the German army was governed by the Geneva Conventions which prohibits murder. No one in the chain of command would have wanted to be fingered for issuing a criminal order. Deniability was a big thing for them. As the war ground on and loss looked more inevitable, commanders didn't want to risk prosecution. Even the upper echelons of the SS tried to cover up their crimes.

I do believe and hope that this may have embolden field commanders to refuse clearly illegal orders.

These are my thoughts. Feel free to disagree.


FormerOstrich

(2,882 posts)
66. Surprisingly, or not,
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 10:17 AM
Dec 4

there is very little said about this on the internets.

I think it needs a lot of exposure....therefore

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