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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is not simply ending birth right citizenship
It starts the ending of citizenship, selectively.
Initech
(108,397 posts)This could be what does it.
Irish_Dem
(80,685 posts)Taking a wrecking ball to the entire US.
Thomas Hurt
(13,979 posts)DFW
(60,022 posts)If someone was politically inconvenient, but too visible to be killed outright (Ive been to the wall where they did that, right near Putins former villa in Potsdam, and the bullet holes are still there), they would cancel that persons citizenship, and exile them out of the country, minus their papers. Usually to West Germany, obviously. Believing the myth of their importance, they thought that taking away someones material worth would destroy their spiritual worth. Instead, as with famous voices like singer Wolf Biermann or actor Manfred Krug, some of the expelled artists became even more famous after they were kicked out.
usonian
(24,600 posts)Will someone tell them?
Irish_Dem
(80,685 posts)usonian
(24,600 posts)
Too bad just a movie. Stars Barry Bostwick, famous as Brad in Rocky Horror.
Irish_Dem
(80,685 posts)Who is on the side of right and works for the people.
Diraven
(1,864 posts)You know their next step will be to make it retroactive. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the court conservatives "interpret" the "original intent" of the 14th amendment to only apply to freed slaves and no one else born to non-citizens in the US since 1868.
Attilatheblond
(8,643 posts)Interesting situation.
ColoringFool
(548 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,643 posts)Aren't there scored of offsprings of US soldiers who had to jump thur administrative hoops to even come into the US? Seems the male part of the creation doesn't officially count.
mainer
(12,538 posts)There are plenty of mixed citizen/ noncitizen marriages.
Attilatheblond
(8,643 posts)But, you know, WHITE, so it seems not to matter.
mainer
(12,538 posts)A green-card mother married to a US citizen gives birth to a daughter. That daughter is now not a citizen. That daughter now gives birth to a US-born daughter. Who, due to her mother's non-citizenship, will also give birth to non-citizens. If her daughter (also a noncitizen) gives birth to a daughter -- that daughter too is a noncitizen. So where are we, four generations down the line, and all the daughters are still noncitizens?
It makes my head hurt, thinking about this.
Jerry2144
(3,250 posts)To go too many generations back. Many older records are on microfiche or older technology, not digitized and harder to search and database.
rampartd
(4,465 posts)why did your great great grandfather leave ireland to sponge off of those railroad tycoons?"
ireland was a shithole country that the "elite" had shipped all of the food out of. i guess they should have stayed there and starved?
Norrrm
(4,672 posts)Trump's perfect judge... Roland Freisler
Such a keen legal mind that he put into law that birthright citizenship of Jews could be revoked...
Start approx 1:53 on the timeline.
Baitball Blogger
(52,082 posts)Reason terminate a constitutional amendment that was approved by the legislative branch. That would be a a Constitutional overreach.
TimeToGo
(1,442 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,082 posts)Credibility and authority. We know better so they will create a situation ripe for civil disobedience.
Irish_Dem
(80,685 posts)Their authority is backed by a gun pointed at everyone.
Irish_Dem
(80,685 posts)No one will stop them.
LiberalArkie
(19,633 posts)Eligiblity to what the constitution originally said. Free white land owning male. No non-white. No renters. No women.
LT Barclay
(3,177 posts)I am thinking specifically where it says that "We hold these truths to be SELF-EVIDENT, that ALL men are created equal and they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, and among these are LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
Why does this make a difference? Because it means that any person who comes under the control or jurisdiction (such as the men on those boats) of the United States is entitled to full rights, the same as any citizen. That means everything contained in the Constitution.
If I remember correctly, the Constitution is already being parsed to death and even US citizens are NOT given full constitutional protections against search and seizure if they are outside of the US (not that even being he offers protection anymore) per the patriot act.
I'm sick of it. The 0.1% have gone full Thanos on us and plan to destroy us rather than share their bounty. They must be reined in.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,788 posts)It reads...
ALL persons born or Naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. NO state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges.
Once citizenship is assured, NO state is allowed to make a new law taking citizenship away from those born within their borders. I doubt all 50 states will enact laws, at such an expense to the residents of their state, to determine who is a citizen or not. This would take years to accomplish and a schism not seen since the 1860's.
The 14th Amendment makes NO mention on the (immigration) status of the parents. Should the Con 6 on the Supreme Court get this wrong, the United States CEASES to exist. This would be a Pandora's Box that would never be closed again.
Uncle Joe
(64,801 posts)This post is also sets a record as my second camel post of the day.
Thanks for the thread RickHworth
RickHworth
(148 posts)I appreciate your comments and peace to you and yours.
Mysterian
(6,322 posts)Will the American people allow this to happen?
Cirsium
(3,805 posts)Virtually all of us in the US are citizens by virtue of the fact that we were born in the US. That is "birthright citizenship."