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PJMcK

(24,756 posts)
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:21 AM Dec 6

About the Venezuelan boats

For reference, I have been ocean sailing for most of my life. I've sailed the Atlantic and Caribbean as crew and have logged over 10,000 miles navigating my own boats. Over the years, I've learned quite a bit about small crafts in the ocean and sailing in general. The oceans are vast, lonely and dangerous. The blue water is no place for the inexperienced.

The boats targeted by Trump's lackeys are not ocean-going vessels. They are open boats meaning they do not have cabins nor storage holds. They are not designed for the wind and wave conditions found in the open ocean. Even with superior seamanship, these voyages would be foolish and dangerous. The boats are powered by outboard motors that lack the capacity to traverse those distances in the open ocean. They are designed for coastal fishing meaning they don't go too far offshore, perhaps only 20 miles or so.

Consider that the distance between Caracas, Venezuela and Miami is about 1,400 miles. These boats, would require fuel tanks that take up too much space on such small boats. Where would the cargo be stored? In an open boat, the drugs would be exposed to the elements as well as being vulnerable to being tossed overboard by the ocean conditions. Refueling enroute would expose the so-called smugglers to too much scrutiny as they traverse different countries on the way to the U.S. Further, if the boat could travel at 20 mph, it would take 70 hours or 3 days nonstop. That is unrealistic and requires a rotating crew, superior boat-handling, navigation and seamanship, skills that most coastal fishermen would probably not have learned.

If these boats are truly operated by drug-runners, the "narco-terrorists" are really stupid and the risks to their cargo and lives far exceed the possible profits from the small quantities these boats could carry. Additionally, why would the September 2nd boat have had 11 people on board? That doesn't make any sense because that many people take up space and consumables like food and water.and we know that drug kingpins want to maximize their profit potential.

In fact, many drug runners build "submarines" that travel just below the surface of the water making them difficult to detect. These vessels have far more cargo space than an open fishing boat. Importantly, they are designed for the distances and conditions required for such voyages. Here are two videos that explain these vessels:





Trump and Co. are on a murderous, illegal, unethical and performative fool's errand in order to look tough while accomplishing nothing. Watching boats being blown up and people being killed gives them visceral thrills all while they sit in their air-conditioned offices thousands of miles away from the sites of their crimes. The military personnel who enable these acts are in untenable situations. Trump is abusing our military, its people and our national values.

As usual, Trump and Republicans are presuming Americans are stupid who cannot evaluate these situations intelligently and logically. Like the fool Tom Cotton, they assume we are so dumb we won't believe our own eyes.
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About the Venezuelan boats (Original Post) PJMcK Dec 6 OP
I think these people in the boats have no idea what hit them Walleye Dec 6 #1
There was no plane PJMcK Dec 6 #2
Now I am wondering if this is what Maga thinks Americans really are and aspire to be Walleye Dec 6 #5
Yup, we are spending millions to blow up 10K Johonny Dec 6 #28
Well said PJMcK, K & R. Emile Dec 6 #3
If there were drugs on some of the boats gab13by13 Dec 6 #4
The article said these boats had cocaine and were going to Europe??? usedtobedemgurl Dec 6 #18
"IF" is a very big and complicated word, gab13by13 Dec 6 #29
Great OP malaise Dec 6 #6
It's nuts I am a fisher Dec 6 #7
Welcome to DU ! And a shrimper welcomes a fellow fisherman. KS Toronado Dec 6 #15
As Trump callously replied when asked about destroying the fishing boats, travelingthrulife Dec 6 #31
I find that bottom video on narco subs fascinating. Emile Dec 6 #8
That was amazing NJCher Dec 6 #16
I was surprised those subs are only used once, and then sunk. Emile Dec 6 #19
It shows how valuable the drugs are (n/t) PJMcK Dec 7 #47
"...a murderous, illegal, unethical and performative fool's errand in order to look tough while accomplishing nothing." OldBaldy1701E Dec 6 #9
For all of us. I think we all have a baseline anxiety that won't go away. travelingthrulife Dec 6 #32
It isn't about drugs, gab13by13 Dec 6 #10
Agree. They are inoculating us to accept killing 'suspects.' n/t NH Ethylene Dec 6 #26
Send this to Rachel immediately NJCher Dec 6 #11
That's a great idea! Emile Dec 7 #48
The 2016 to 2025 (and counting) version of the republiSCUM party MLWR Dec 6 #12
K&R. Openly commiting war crimes. n/t ms liberty Dec 6 #13
We are not at war, gab13by13 Dec 6 #17
But who will ever hold them accountable? If we ever have fair elections again I'm hoping that the next Democratic LT Barclay Dec 6 #23
I want our next Democratic president gab13by13 Dec 6 #30
I want to resurrect FDR. Sadly, I don't know who to hope for, because so much damage has been done and the republicans LT Barclay Dec 6 #43
It's pure authoritarianism. Create fear, suppress freedom of movement. ... littlemissmartypants Dec 6 #14
The post we've been waiting for stollen Dec 6 #20
If we don't somehow put a stop to this, the U.S. is going to become a global pariah... Joinfortmill Dec 6 #21
There's more to this MaineNative Dec 6 #22
Oil. Venezuela privatized their oil and kicked the big oil companies out. travelingthrulife Dec 6 #34
Really appreciate your knowledge and common sense Wild blueberry Dec 6 #24
Thanks, this makes tons of sense Martin Eden Dec 6 #25
Several clarifications, sounds like your experience is mostly sail EX500rider Dec 6 #27
Even if they were going to the US, which I doubt. We the People WANT those travelingthrulife Dec 6 #35
You are correct about center consoles PJMcK Dec 6 #38
All the pics & vids I've seen show multiple outboards EX500rider Dec 6 #39
Good photos. Thanks PJMcK Dec 6 #42
No, I don't think they go all the way to the US and the one with all the people was most likely a Coyote boat EX500rider Dec 6 #44
Plastic fuel tanks PJMcK Dec 7 #46
Trump is trying to depose Maduro gulliver Dec 6 #33
In order to steal their oil. Remember Venezuela kicked big oil out after they travelingthrulife Dec 6 #36
They nationalized their oil 50 years ago...and it is very common EX500rider Dec 6 #40
I doubt that gulliver Dec 6 #45
Going back to 1964 and the Gulf of Token. multigraincracker Dec 6 #37
"Need an excuse to take their resources." That gets said a lot around here... EX500rider Dec 6 #41
That all makes sense... returnee Dec 7 #49

Walleye

(43,845 posts)
1. I think these people in the boats have no idea what hit them
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:33 AM
Dec 6

What really pisses me off is the two people who were shipwrecked probably thought the American plane was coming around to save them. Who the fuck are we?

PJMcK

(24,756 posts)
2. There was no plane
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:37 AM
Dec 6

The missiles were laser guided from Trinidad, I believe. The video imagery was from drones.

ETA: I agree with you that the fishermen had no idea what hit them.

Walleye

(43,845 posts)
5. Now I am wondering if this is what Maga thinks Americans really are and aspire to be
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:56 AM
Dec 6

I’m tired of hearing these guys called “brave Warriors” when there’s nobody shooting at them and they’re not really in harms way.

Johonny

(25,503 posts)
28. Yup, we are spending millions to blow up 10K
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:33 AM
Dec 6

Or less worth of boats. Just economically, this makes no fucking sense.

gab13by13

(31,263 posts)
4. If there were drugs on some of the boats
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:56 AM
Dec 6

is it a possibility that they were going to Trinidad to load the drugs on to a bigger ship?

I have read an article that flat out states the cocaine is very likely going to Europe.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,931 posts)
18. The article said these boats had cocaine and were going to Europe???
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:27 AM
Dec 6

Because if the gov had proof there was cocaine, they would be shouting it from the rooftops when words like war crimes and murder are mentioned. They are not shy. If the article did not say anything about the little fishing boats having cocaine, I am try I g to figure out your point. I have a brain injury, so sometimes I need help understanding.

gab13by13

(31,263 posts)
29. "IF" is a very big and complicated word,
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:34 AM
Dec 6

sometimes it is hard to decipher.

I read "an" article that stated that cocaine from Venezuela is going to Europe, no matter how it is shipped. I posted "the" article I read.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/drug-boats-venezuela-are-mainly-moving-cocaine-europe-not-fentanyl-us-rcna244583

I am a fisher

(1 post)
7. It's nuts
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:27 AM
Dec 6

that decent fisherman with speedboats like this are dying. I mean, really. They are just fisherman and this is so evil

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
31. As Trump callously replied when asked about destroying the fishing boats,
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:38 AM
Dec 6

"Does anyone actually fish anymore?" Smirk. Smirk.

NJCher

(42,512 posts)
16. That was amazing
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:14 AM
Dec 6

Some very smart people design and engineer these vessels and it appears most are for one time use.

I was in suspense as they told the story of each sub.

I will never understand how anyone could choose to do this with their life.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,225 posts)
9. "...a murderous, illegal, unethical and performative fool's errand in order to look tough while accomplishing nothing."
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:44 AM
Dec 6

Oh, that's not true.

They are making an excuse to go in and claim their oil and other natural resources, and after they 'liberate' the country, they will make sure to secure those assets before drawing down the occupation.

But, you are correct about the 'visceral thrill'. It is one reason why I want them all to be put into Gitmo. Watching those animals finally being treated as such will certainly do wonders for my mental state.

gab13by13

(31,263 posts)
10. It isn't about drugs,
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:52 AM
Dec 6

it's about getting the military to murder people. We are not at war with Venezuela but the military continues to murder people.

If this murder is allowed to continue the military will start murdering people in the United States.

These aren't war crimes seeing as we aren't at war. It is up to our justice department to prosecute these people for murder, which isn't going to happen, quite the Catch 22.

NJCher

(42,512 posts)
11. Send this to Rachel immediately
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:55 AM
Dec 6

The logic and common sense on this topic needs a national airing.

MLWR

(782 posts)
12. The 2016 to 2025 (and counting) version of the republiSCUM party
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:56 AM
Dec 6

bears more similatities to the German nazi party of the 1930s than to the 20th century version of the Republican Party. It's clear to me that these monsters are just out to satisfy their blood lust, playing their version of "cowboys and Indians" in the Caribbean Sea. This is horrific and monstrous, not to mention heartless, soulless, indecent, unethical, immoral, murderous and completely illegal.

LT Barclay

(3,173 posts)
23. But who will ever hold them accountable? If we ever have fair elections again I'm hoping that the next Democratic
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:12 AM
Dec 6

president will ship them to the ICC rather than risk acquittal or future pardon here.

gab13by13

(31,263 posts)
30. I want our next Democratic president
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:37 AM
Dec 6

to not be a politician, I want him/her to be someone like Malcolm Nance.

LT Barclay

(3,173 posts)
43. I want to resurrect FDR. Sadly, I don't know who to hope for, because so much damage has been done and the republicans
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:27 PM
Dec 6

will be trying to resist any effort to re-establish anything resembling order. And we have to contend with a SCOTUS that is hell-bent on either intentionally destroying the country, or are agents for some other power either national or financial. Personally I'll vote, march, support, fight for anyone who will commit to giving the pyscho 6 a week to resign or have federal marshals march the out of their chambers and publicly strip them of their robes for betraying the country.

littlemissmartypants

(31,681 posts)
14. It's pure authoritarianism. Create fear, suppress freedom of movement. ...
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:02 AM
Dec 6

He apparently thinks we're all as dumb as he is.

Far winds and following seas, PJMcK.

Great post. ❤️

stollen

(1,046 posts)
20. The post we've been waiting for
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:51 AM
Dec 6

I've asked as well, why is a SEAL team being used for this murderous act on an outboard motorboat?

Whoever gave the orders didn't want survivors telling tales. That would be Trump.

MaineNative

(74 posts)
22. There's more to this
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:09 AM
Dec 6

than meets the eyes, and it could be rare earth minerals using this as a pretext to attack and gain control over the country.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
34. Oil. Venezuela privatized their oil and kicked the big oil companies out.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:43 AM
Dec 6

It's a longtime grudge. Trump intends to steal it for them.

Martin Eden

(15,367 posts)
25. Thanks, this makes tons of sense
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:28 AM
Dec 6

Why hasn't the mainstream media stressed that these boats are simply inadequate for transporting a cargo of drugs to the nearest point in the USA?

EX500rider

(12,181 posts)
27. Several clarifications, sounds like your experience is mostly sail
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:28 AM
Dec 6

Outboard powered fishing boats (mostly center consoles) here in Fla regularly go up to 150 miles offshore and with multiple outboards they cruise at anywhere from 30 to 60+ knots.
The drug running skiffs most likely meet a mother ship offshore or refuel from locals in small coves etc, but yes, highly unlikely they are going all the way to the US.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
35. Even if they were going to the US, which I doubt. We the People WANT those
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:46 AM
Dec 6

drugs. We are the market. Maybe if they made life less of a rollercoaster in this country, we might not need so many drugs.

PJMcK

(24,756 posts)
38. You are correct about center consoles
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 12:49 PM
Dec 6

The fishing boats in Venezuela are not the high performance boats found along the Florida coast. From the videos we’ve seen as well as the boats I’ve seen in the Caribbean, the targeted boats are single engine crafts.

Still, your point has validity. Regarding sail vs. power boats, I’ll quote a marina manager I encountered in Ft. Lauderdale: “We’re all on the same water.”

EX500rider

(12,181 posts)
39. All the pics & vids I've seen show multiple outboards
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:10 PM
Dec 6

Which besides the lack of fishing gear also points to drug running as local fishermen in Latin America can't afford multiple outboards as the average price for a new 300 HP Mercury outboard generally ranges from $23,000 to $32,000.

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PJMcK

(24,756 posts)
42. Good photos. Thanks
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:18 PM
Dec 6

Do you believe the Trump administration explanations?

1,400 miles of open ocean is still formidable.

ETA: Even if the boats had multiple motors, it would require significant amounts of fuel. There’s not enough room for fuel and cargo.

Why were there 11 people on the 9/2 boat?

EX500rider

(12,181 posts)
44. No, I don't think they go all the way to the US and the one with all the people was most likely a Coyote boat
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:03 PM
Dec 6

(ie people smuggler)
Although I have seen many plastic most likely fuel drums on them giving them some extended range

PJMcK

(24,756 posts)
46. Plastic fuel tanks
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 06:53 AM
Dec 7

Interesting. I hadn’t thought of that. The boat would still need a lot of fuel.

Thanks for the dialog. You make detailed insights. Much appreciated. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

gulliver

(13,720 posts)
33. Trump is trying to depose Maduro
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:41 AM
Dec 6

I think your post supports the idea that the drug boats stuff is just a pretext. Trump wants Maduro out. I think the Venezuelan people do too. They voted him out, but he stayed.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
36. In order to steal their oil. Remember Venezuela kicked big oil out after they
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:47 AM
Dec 6

nationalized their oil.

EX500rider

(12,181 posts)
40. They nationalized their oil 50 years ago...and it is very common
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:25 PM
Dec 6
The majority of the world's oil reserves (around 73-95%) are controlled by National Oil Companies (NOCs) established through nationalization, particularly from the 1970s onwards, meaning most major oil-producing nations have significant state control or full nationalization of their reserves, not just a few outliers.

How would the US "steal" their oil? Even if we deposed Maduro the next govt would still control Venz's reserves.

gulliver

(13,720 posts)
45. I doubt that
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 10:14 PM
Dec 6

The people of Venezuela voted out Maduro, but he decided to stay anyway. Does that mean that Maduro stole the oil? If he is deposed, why wouldn't Trump put the guy who actually won the election in office (Gonzalez)? That would seem to be the pro-democracy thing to do, and I really don't see how Trump would get away with doing anything else.

EX500rider

(12,181 posts)
41. "Need an excuse to take their resources." That gets said a lot around here...
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:28 PM
Dec 6

..are their any examples of the US taking (forcibly and unpaid for) another countries resources in the last 50 years?

returnee

(824 posts)
49. That all makes sense...
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 01:39 PM
Dec 7

….but it’s been clear from the outset it was all bullshit. They are all liars, all the time. I assume everything they say is a lie until proven otherwise.

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