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highplainsdem

(60,096 posts)
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 01:47 PM Dec 6

Timothy Snyder: If the Fourteenth Amendment isn't real then Section 3 isn't real either and the justices are suddenly

just people in funny clothes.


If the Fourteenth Amendment isn’t real then Section 3 isn’t real either and the justices are suddenly just people in funny clothes.

Timothy Snyder (@timothysnyder.bsky.social) 2025-12-06T16:22:13.758Z
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Timothy Snyder: If the Fourteenth Amendment isn't real then Section 3 isn't real either and the justices are suddenly (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 6 OP
There very strong legal reason wil be... lame54 Dec 6 #1
The only reason most Americans are citizens is because we were born here. Midnight Writer Dec 6 #2
That's certainly the only reason sicko is a citizen Maru Kitteh Dec 6 #3
Short answer, NO, no one will be safe. NotHardly Dec 6 #7
The next Democratic president can revoke their citizenship and depor t them. usonian Dec 6 #4
That's what I've been saying. Fiendish Thingy Dec 6 #5
They can essentially completely dissolve their authorityby extension of SSJVegeta Dec 6 #6
I think Snyder erred here. He probably meant to say "Article III," not "Section 3." Efilroft Sul Dec 6 #8
"In J_William_Ryan Dec 6 #9
K&R UTUSN Dec 6 #10

Midnight Writer

(25,151 posts)
2. The only reason most Americans are citizens is because we were born here.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 01:52 PM
Dec 6

We didn't fill out applications, we didn't have to take a test, we didn't take a loyalty oath.

We were simply born here.

If that does not legally make us citizens, then what does? Can a petty, capricious leader simply decide we are garbage people and take away our citizenship?

Can we then be detained, put in a prison camp, deported to another despotic country?

Will anyone be safe from these abuses?

Maru Kitteh

(31,273 posts)
3. That's certainly the only reason sicko is a citizen
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 01:58 PM
Dec 6

There’s no way he could score greater than 10% on a citizenship test

usonian

(23,610 posts)
4. The next Democratic president can revoke their citizenship and depor t them.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:02 PM
Dec 6

I would.
Where do I get nomination papers?

A trebuchet would only send them to Canada or Mexico.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,082 posts)
5. That's what I've been saying.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:09 PM
Dec 6

If they rule that a black-letter constitutional right is subject to the whims of the president, then they immediately relinquish all their power and relevance, for all constitutional rights would then be subject to the whims of the president.

Glad to know great minds think alike.

SSJVegeta

(2,348 posts)
6. They can essentially completely dissolve their authorityby extension of
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:24 PM
Dec 6

Dissolving the 14th amendment?

Efilroft Sul

(4,324 posts)
8. I think Snyder erred here. He probably meant to say "Article III," not "Section 3."
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:57 PM
Dec 6

Article III in the Constitution deals with the establishment of the courts.

But more to Snyder's point, the Supreme Court is thisclose to erasing Article III and the Fourteenth Amendment, just like the Article I Congress has practically surrendered much of its powers to the Article II Executive branch.

J_William_Ryan

(3,343 posts)
9. "In
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 06:14 PM
Dec 6

asking the Supreme Court to review the case, the Trump administration claimed that birthright citizenship can only apply to children born to one parent who is a U.S. citizen or a lawful permanent resident.”

Unfortunately, the Court will likely rule on the constitutionality of the EO, not the doctrine of birthright citizenship.

It will uphold the EO claiming that placing limits and restrictions on citizenship doesn’t violate the 14th Amendment and that future presidents are at liberty to rescind the EO allowing comprehensive birthright citizenship.

The Court will further hold that placing limits and restrictions on citizenship is consistent with landmark 14th Amendment cases such as United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

But there are other Constitutional issues in play, such as the long-held doctrine that children cannot be punished or disadvantaged the consequence of their parents’ bad acts or acts of lawlessness. See for example Weber v. Aetna Cas. & Sur. Co. and Plyer v. Doe.

We have a Court, however, dominated by six conservative ideologues who have demonstrated time and again their hostility to long settled, accepted precedent and case law.

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