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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTimothy Snyder: If the Fourteenth Amendment isn't real then Section 3 isn't real either and the justices are suddenly
just people in funny clothes.If the Fourteenth Amendment isnât real then Section 3 isnât real either and the justices are suddenly just people in funny clothes.
— Timothy Snyder (@timothysnyder.bsky.social) 2025-12-06T16:22:13.758Z
lame54
(39,216 posts)Just Cuz
Midnight Writer
(25,151 posts)We didn't fill out applications, we didn't have to take a test, we didn't take a loyalty oath.
We were simply born here.
If that does not legally make us citizens, then what does? Can a petty, capricious leader simply decide we are garbage people and take away our citizenship?
Can we then be detained, put in a prison camp, deported to another despotic country?
Will anyone be safe from these abuses?
Maru Kitteh
(31,273 posts)Theres no way he could score greater than 10% on a citizenship test
NotHardly
(2,636 posts)usonian
(23,610 posts)I would.
Where do I get nomination papers?
A trebuchet would only send them to Canada or Mexico.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,082 posts)If they rule that a black-letter constitutional right is subject to the whims of the president, then they immediately relinquish all their power and relevance, for all constitutional rights would then be subject to the whims of the president.
Glad to know great minds think alike.
SSJVegeta
(2,348 posts)Dissolving the 14th amendment?
Efilroft Sul
(4,324 posts)Article III in the Constitution deals with the establishment of the courts.
But more to Snyder's point, the Supreme Court is thisclose to erasing Article III and the Fourteenth Amendment, just like the Article I Congress has practically surrendered much of its powers to the Article II Executive branch.
J_William_Ryan
(3,343 posts)asking the Supreme Court to review the case, the Trump administration claimed that birthright citizenship can only apply to children born to one parent who is a U.S. citizen or a lawful permanent resident.
Unfortunately, the Court will likely rule on the constitutionality of the EO, not the doctrine of birthright citizenship.
It will uphold the EO claiming that placing limits and restrictions on citizenship doesnt violate the 14th Amendment and that future presidents are at liberty to rescind the EO allowing comprehensive birthright citizenship.
The Court will further hold that placing limits and restrictions on citizenship is consistent with landmark 14th Amendment cases such as United States v. Wong Kim Ark.
But there are other Constitutional issues in play, such as the long-held doctrine that children cannot be punished or disadvantaged the consequence of their parents bad acts or acts of lawlessness. See for example Weber v. Aetna Cas. & Sur. Co. and Plyer v. Doe.
We have a Court, however, dominated by six conservative ideologues who have demonstrated time and again their hostility to long settled, accepted precedent and case law.