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moniss

(8,689 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 12:15 PM Dec 18

It is clear now from the reporting that

Jack Smith said he had evidence and proof of crimes "beyond a reasonable doubt". It is also clear "beyond a reasonable doubt" that is precisely why "I Lean" Cannon has sat on the Jack Smith report and done everything possible to keep that report and evidence from being seen. Also clear is why the GQP doesn't want Jack to testify publicly. I believe they will try to order everything destroyed much like the courts ordered in the Scott Walker case in Wisconsin. Basically the court was saying, regarding Wisconsin/Walker, all of the collusion was actually free speech protected by the 1st Amendment and so releasing that material after the case was thrown out would be improper to the rights of the people investigated.

So the bottom line was the court saying "Free and brave enough to speak the words but too cowardly for voters to hear the words." So years of investigative work and clear proof of collusion, illegal coordination, misuse of taxpayer provided resources etc. all went down the drain.

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It is clear now from the reporting that (Original Post) moniss Dec 18 OP
The indictment itself summarized everything quite effectively. Frasier Balzov Dec 18 #1
Agree - both the classified docs and election stealing indictments were extensive and indicative of TSF's iluvtennis Dec 18 #3
The election, and the gutless "Justice" Department Shipwack Dec 18 #12
No sitting president has ever been charged ITAL Dec 18 #17
Grant was given speeding tickets, which he paid. Shipwack Dec 19 #18
I've heard that story too ITAL Dec 19 #21
Speeding tickets? Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 19 #22
Ulysses Grant loved racing horses and carriages. Shipwack Dec 19 #23
That needs to change. notinkansas Dec 19 #19
They don't give a shit because they are using OPM debsy Dec 18 #2
Can someone file a petition to remove Eileen Cannon? Baitball Blogger Dec 18 #4
MY thoughts as well! bluestarone Dec 18 #6
Good question Scott Alan Swaggerty Dec 19 #25
she will be a justice before that happens rampartd Dec 19 #26
Any chance AverageOldGuy Dec 18 #5
It would be nice. nt moniss Dec 18 #7
Yesterday Zoe Lofgren, who was on the impeachment committee, vanlassie Dec 18 #10
Paging Daniel Ellsberg paleotn Dec 18 #14
Jack Smith Testimony gfarber Dec 18 #8
Great poem vapor2 Dec 18 #16
Truth will out malaise Dec 18 #9
The Season of Leaks is upon us. I expect we'll be having much more leakage which will continue for a while! liberalla Dec 18 #11
Can't they find a friendly JUdge to order the release of VOl. II Historic NY Dec 18 #13
"I Lean" Cannon has moniss Dec 18 #15
there are always copies of everything. Javaman Dec 19 #20
Scary thought. Kid Berwyn Dec 19 #24
The fix was in. This cabal is ruthless and cunning. They know how to play the system. They are wealthy. Blues Heron Dec 19 #27

Frasier Balzov

(4,854 posts)
1. The indictment itself summarized everything quite effectively.
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 12:35 PM
Dec 18

Scathing though not defamatory since the truth of the allegations is well supported.

Grand juries in two locations believed what it said.

Every honest citizen could believe it upon reading it and be grateful for the thorough explanation.

Only the election kept Trump from having the book thrown at him.

iluvtennis

(21,465 posts)
3. Agree - both the classified docs and election stealing indictments were extensive and indicative of TSF's
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 01:24 PM
Dec 18

guilt...I couldn't wait for the the trail for the evidence details to be provided.

But then the MAGAts re-elected his imbecilic ass.

Shipwack

(2,994 posts)
12. The election, and the gutless "Justice" Department
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 02:38 PM
Dec 18

Based on a memo that gave the unsupported opinion that sitting presidents can’t be charged, even though they had in the past.

Shipwack

(2,994 posts)
18. Grant was given speeding tickets, which he paid.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:40 AM
Dec 19

He also made sure that the issuing officer wasn’t punished for issuing them.

The current Supreme Court believes he can’t he be charged for speeding…

ITAL

(1,257 posts)
21. I've heard that story too
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 08:51 AM
Dec 19

Except in unusual cases (if you're REALLY speeding vs just kinda doing so)speeding tickets are more considered a misdemeanor than a crime. Grant didn't show up to challenge his ticket (much like most people who get them nowadays and don't challenge them - but aren't labeled as felons).

In a tangent because it's one I'm familiar with as a lover of local history....in the early 20th century one of the Mayors of Los Angeles ("Pinkie" Snyder) was also cited for speaking and commended the officers for doing their duty. He's not generally thought of as a felon either.

Shipwack

(2,994 posts)
23. Ulysses Grant loved racing horses and carriages.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 12:19 PM
Dec 19

When he became president, he continued the pastime, often down the main thoroughfares of DC.

While there were no cars back then, they still had the concept of “you don’t drive a horse (let alone horse and carriage) full speed through a crowded thoroughfare during the day”.

Twice he was ticketed (I want to say the cop was black) for speeding, though the officer was apologetic about it. Not only did Grant pay the fines, he specifically checked afterwards to make sure the officer wasn’t punished for giving him a ticket.

Now some may say that this doesn’t really matter. It could be argued that there is a difference between a speeding ticket and a felony. Perhaps. I personally think you can extrapolate larger policies from smaller ones. If a president can be charged with a minor infraction, why should he be immune from ones that are 100 times more serious?

AverageOldGuy

(3,328 posts)
5. Any chance
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 01:37 PM
Dec 18

That some low-on-the-totem-pole clerk squirreled away the entire 6GB of evidence, etc., on a thumb drive and is prepared to give it to a Democratic member of Congress?

vanlassie

(6,219 posts)
10. Yesterday Zoe Lofgren, who was on the impeachment committee,
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 02:10 PM
Dec 18

mentioned the committee’s various incriminating documentation was squirreled away all over the country.

paleotn

(21,525 posts)
14. Paging Daniel Ellsberg
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 02:57 PM
Dec 18

Actually, I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t. Too explosive and too valuable not to.

gfarber

(201 posts)
8. Jack Smith Testimony
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 02:08 PM
Dec 18


There once was a counsel named Smith,
Who said, “I’ve got proof—every myth.”
“Beyond doubt,” he swore,
“Crimes stacked to the floor,”
Which explains why they buried that shit.

Judge Cannon, who leans like a drunk,
Sat hard on the file like a punk.
If sunlight got in,
They’d all look like sin—
So she locked it away in the trunk.

They won’t let Jack testify live,
’Cause the truth wouldn’t fucking survive.
If it helped their case,
They’d give him a place—
Instead they just stall and connive.

The GQP’s scared shitless, it’s plain,
Of facts said aloud on the chain.
They cry “witch hunt!” loud,
But won’t face a crowd—
Funny how cowards complain.

Wisconsin already ran this same con,
With Walker and courts playing dumb.
They screamed “free speech!”
While shredders went reech—
And the evidence vanished, all gone.

“Speak all you want,” said the court with a grin,
“But voters? Nah, fuck letting them in.”
Be brave, make the call,
Just don’t show it to all—
Democracy’s messy as sin.

So years of hard work hit the drain,
Proof of collusion down memory lane.
Tax cash abused,
Coordination excused—
And the liars all walked off clean.

liberalla

(10,812 posts)
11. The Season of Leaks is upon us. I expect we'll be having much more leakage which will continue for a while!
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 02:22 PM
Dec 18

IMO, this report or much of it will be revealed.

moniss

(8,689 posts)
15. "I Lean" Cannon has
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 03:02 PM
Dec 18

jurisdiction and withheld it but that was challenged legally and the 11th Circuit has given her a deadline to respond to the challenge and request for the report to be released. It is possible for the 11th Circuit to remove her if she continues to stonewall taking action. She may order it withheld, destroyed etc. which can also be appealed.

Javaman

(65,089 posts)
20. there are always copies of everything.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 07:40 AM
Dec 19

and I believe that Jack Smith is smart enough to have safely put a copy someplace where they can't get to.

Kid Berwyn

(22,889 posts)
24. Scary thought.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 12:59 PM
Dec 19

"Free and brave enough to speak the words but too cowardly for voters to hear the words."

They fear the truth for good reason. To quote Dean Burch, who described George H.W. Bush’s physical and emotional reaction to the release of the "Smoking Gun" tape in August 1974:

"He broke out in assholes and shit himself to death."

Blues Heron

(8,333 posts)
27. The fix was in. This cabal is ruthless and cunning. They know how to play the system. They are wealthy.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:34 PM
Dec 19

They have the money but we have the numbers. We need to convince the non voters to get off their keisters.

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