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WhiskeyGrinder

(26,259 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 05:26 PM Dec 20

How a violent police academy drill has been tied to deaths and injuries across the country

https://apnews.com/article/redman-drills-police-academy-training-deaths-ed1f0ffd749857cc97002a79653c5e7c

Since 2005, drills intended to teach defensive tactics at law enforcement academies have been linked to at least a dozen deaths and hundreds of injuries, some resulting in disability, according to a review by The Associated Press.

The drills — frequently referred to as RedMan training for the brand and color of protective gear worn by participants – are intended to teach law enforcement recruits how to defend themselves against combative suspects. They’re among the most challenging tests at police academies. Law enforcement experts say that when properly designed and supervised, they teach new officers critical skills.

But critics say they can put recruits at risk of physical and mental abuse that runs some promising officers out of the profession. Academies have wide latitude in running such exercises, given a lack of national standards governing police training.

Here are some takeaways from AP’s report.
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How a violent police academy drill has been tied to deaths and injuries across the country (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Dec 20 OP
Texas? Conjuay Dec 20 #1
Not just Texas; across the nation. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 20 #4
Texas, where men are men. Srkdqltr Dec 20 #2
The article is focusing on what is a national issue. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 20 #5
I edited the excerpt because the first two responders in this thread were so focused on the anecdotal lede taking place WhiskeyGrinder Dec 20 #3
Interesting OC375 Dec 20 #6
Makes me a little nervous Jilly_in_VA Dec 20 #7
I remember doing "red man" drills years ago in martial arts sakabatou Dec 20 #8

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,259 posts)
3. I edited the excerpt because the first two responders in this thread were so focused on the anecdotal lede taking place
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 05:49 PM
Dec 20

in Texas that they missed the wider point, which is that this training technique is used across the nation and has resulted in injuries and deaths across the nation, and is unlikely to be reformed. This is an institutional problem. Some people do love to shit on other states tho.

OC375

(430 posts)
6. Interesting
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 05:56 PM
Dec 20

Sounds barbaric as practiced, but also like something that's would be useful if there were some standards in place.

I've met prospective cops who've never been in a real fight in their lives, never been grabbed or restrained, never been hit by a stranger for no reason. Some people absolutely lose control, mentally, when that happens, and you don't want them armed or in authority. It would be good to fail them out here so they don't get others or themselves hurt or killed. You can't really filter for that asking people "Would you pick up a non poisonous snake?", "Do you think about death?" and "If you were a color, what would you be?".

Now, in the military they do similar exercises and more, but there is expert medical help, supervision, evac, etc... right there if there's trouble. Why wouldn't they do that much here?

sakabatou

(45,767 posts)
8. I remember doing "red man" drills years ago in martial arts
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 07:10 PM
Dec 20

But it was rare, since it took so long to put the gear on. If we had to use techniques, it'd be done with precision, never power. It was a big rule never to use power when practicing.

Of course, we'd have weekly spars, but we'd have regular padding on, and we knew how much power to use. It was accuracy, speed, and prediction which was usually key.

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