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Botany

(76,398 posts)
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:17 AM Dec 22

"They" are being highly successful in trying to change the subject of Epstein and Trump to Bill Clinton.

I have seen CBS, CNN, News Nation, Fox, and my local Sinclair Station all lead off their
coverage of the release of the Epstein Files with pictures of Bill Clinton including a 1990s
promotional picture of Bill Clinton, Diana Ross, and her children with the express purpose of
of changing the subject of Epstein, Trump, Child Rape, blackmail, and sex trafficking to Bill
Clinton and his penis. Because a % of American people will now associate the Epstein Files
with Bill Clinton because of those images being broadcast.

This is like in 2004 when they painted John Kerry a true combat hero in Vietnam as a coward
even though he was awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, 3 Purple Hearts, and saved one of his
Swift Boat team member from certain death by risking his own life or in 2016 when Russia hacked
into HRC and the DNC’s computers and then shipped back edited information about HRC her emails
and her email server via Facebook (which after the election paid a 5 billion $ fine and changed their
name to META).

Pure Ratfucking of the highest order.

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"They" are being highly successful in trying to change the subject of Epstein and Trump to Bill Clinton. (Original Post) Botany Dec 22 OP
Of course, ratfucking is their main occupation, it's their expertise. They don't govern. Walleye Dec 22 #1
It's not difficult. OldBaldy1701E Dec 22 #2
MSM has been pro GOP since forever Johonny Dec 22 #3
Many people are aware of the present..... Lovie777 Dec 22 #4
What else should we expect? You know Pammi has orders from on high not implicate the orange toad. Diamond_Dog Dec 22 #5
How could any woman protect a man who raped little girls, made money off sex trafficking, and used his Botany Dec 22 #6
I don't know how she sleeps at night. Or Vance, Kegbreath, so many others doing his bidding. Diamond_Dog Dec 22 #8
Pam is a bought and paid for shit. 25k in 2013 to make Trump University go away in F. L. A. Botany Dec 22 #9
Because their brains are different NJCher Dec 22 #22
How could any woman protect a man who raped little girls, made money off sex trafficking BComplex Dec 22 #24
About 20 years ago I was attacked by a crazy rich man who walked after a criminal trial but we got .. Botany Dec 22 #28
Bill Clinton is already why MAGA wants the files. intheflow Dec 22 #7
And they''re not getting it. No photos released with Clinton show anything remotely incriminating. Wiz Imp Dec 22 #11
But to some the damage has been done Botany Dec 22 #14
For those people, that happened long ago. karynnj Dec 22 #33
For the bottom 30% of troglodytes, yes Dave says Dec 22 #36
I'm afraid the sexist, racist, anti intellectual, generationally stupid, and Christo Fascist base is 35% . Botany Dec 22 #38
Imagine giving a single actual fuck what those people are thinking. BannonsLiver Dec 22 #41
Thanks for NJCher Dec 22 #23
I agree karynnj Dec 22 #32
Nah. Just remind them that only 1 percent of the files have been released. Baitball Blogger Dec 22 #10
The "them" don't listen to new and or different information in most cases. Botany Dec 22 #15
I doubt much else will be released Diraven Dec 22 #27
Some of the Republicans are also pissed and calls for Bondi's impeachment are growing. Baitball Blogger Dec 22 #34
Most people don't watch those news stations you mention JI7 Dec 22 #12
They're being advised by their Russian handlers. Standard Kremlin/Russian Mob deflection tactic. ChicagoTeamster Dec 22 #13
100% correct. Botany Dec 22 #17
I would tend to disagree with the "highly successful" part. It might fool (or pacify) a small percentage of Texin Dec 22 #16
disinformation is leading the news when the words Epstein Files are said then followed w/a Clinton picture. Botany Dec 22 #19
Because they are already biased NJCher Dec 22 #26
Kimmel and Colbert need to fill in the missing information and so does anyone with a following on Facebook. ChicagoTeamster Dec 22 #18
Forget Bill Go to DownriverDem Dec 22 #20
distract. AllaN01Bear Dec 22 #21
What I don't get is that people who should know better.... LAS14 Dec 22 #25
I think you're overblowing this a bit. llmart Dec 22 #29
Post removed Post removed Dec 22 #30
It is my well informed opinion... show me the fallacy of my argument or facts. Botany Dec 22 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 22 #35
No point in answering you. Botany Dec 22 #37
Lmao BannonsLiver Dec 22 #40
If they are, Bill just took it away from them. Uncle Joe Dec 22 #39
Former President Bill Clinton is demanding full transparency from the Epstein files and accuses trump of coverup LetMyPeopleVote Dec 22 #42
Good Botany Dec 22 #43
MSM goes for the obvious scandalous and salacious, rather than the investigative data. yellow dahlia Dec 22 #44
Clinton didn't do anything wrong. He merely used Epstein's plane for humanitarian business. valleyrogue Dec 22 #45

OldBaldy1701E

(10,188 posts)
2. It's not difficult.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:25 AM
Dec 22

The programming worked, after all.

Pavlov's dogs have nothing on the people of the United States!

Lovie777

(21,762 posts)
4. Many people are aware of the present.....
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:36 AM
Dec 22

corporate media propaganda takeover. It’s already backfiring . American’s pocketbooks are in the gutter along with healthcare and the realization of this psycho government.

shithole maybe on his way out, but damn the white nationalist aka Nazi is in waiting.

Diamond_Dog

(39,766 posts)
5. What else should we expect? You know Pammi has orders from on high not implicate the orange toad.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:47 AM
Dec 22

Botany

(76,398 posts)
6. How could any woman protect a man who raped little girls, made money off sex trafficking, and used his
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:53 AM
Dec 22

Last edited Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:00 AM - Edit history (1)

beauty pageants and modeling try outs to recruit girls for abuse. And I might be wrong but how
many young people from all over the world got sucked into that industry and just disappeared?

Not unless that woman is dead inside like Pam B..

Diamond_Dog

(39,766 posts)
8. I don't know how she sleeps at night. Or Vance, Kegbreath, so many others doing his bidding.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:57 AM
Dec 22

BComplex

(9,748 posts)
24. How could any woman protect a man who raped little girls, made money off sex trafficking
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:46 AM
Dec 22

Because some very sick women get off on it. Example: Ghislaine Maxwell, and, of course, Pam Bondi. Why else would Pam Bondi allow this? Why else would she stick with trump knowing full well what she knows? She gets off on it.

My guess is that a lot of the republican women get off on this kind of thing, or why else would they support the republicans and their agenda? Republicans are just SICK. They are all rotten to the core.

Botany

(76,398 posts)
28. About 20 years ago I was attacked by a crazy rich man who walked after a criminal trial but we got ..
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:58 AM
Dec 22

… him in Civil Court however before one of those trials they had criminal cases and
a man had been rapping his 12 year old step daughter* and the biological mom was
helping him do so and I was so repulsed that I left the court room. The bailiff followed
me out to the hall and told me that I wasn’t allowed back into the court as long as the
procedure for those shits was going on to which I said, “fine.” He smiled @ me and said
“You didn’t like being around those people.” To which I said fine and could you leave that
dirtbag with me for a little bit. He said, no but patted my shoulder. He was huge too.

The victim was the cutest little red headed girl.

intheflow

(29,993 posts)
7. Bill Clinton is already why MAGA wants the files.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:54 AM
Dec 22

You think they want to know about Trump? They want validation of Pizzagate. They want the files to own the libs.

Wiz Imp

(8,982 posts)
11. And they''re not getting it. No photos released with Clinton show anything remotely incriminating.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:18 AM
Dec 22

Ignore right wing media - they aren't interested in the truth. They're the only ones trying to claim anything about Clinton. How many pictures are there of Clinton with Epstein? A handful at most. How many pictures have already been seen of Trump with Epstein? Hundreds. Sorry, but I don't think their "plan" has been successful at all. It's already been proven that they redacted Trump's name and withheld Trump photos and all legitimate media have reported that. The people responsible for the law being passed including the victims are not buying it at all. The outrage by the public in general about Trump covering up for Epstein and other pedophiles has only grown louder since Friday's release. The truth will come out.

Botany

(76,398 posts)
14. But to some the damage has been done
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:04 AM
Dec 22

Say Epstein Files and then show a picture and to some the neural pathways have been
greased and downloaded with disinformation.

karynnj

(60,780 posts)
33. For those people, that happened long ago.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 12:18 PM
Dec 22

The Epstein story has been prominent since the Miami Herald articles. Even in 2008, when he took the sweetheart deal, many politicians gave campaign donations to charity as is done when any donor is seen guilty of anything bad.

Dave says

(5,327 posts)
36. For the bottom 30% of troglodytes, yes
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 01:37 PM
Dec 22

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There is no hope of changing them. Their brains are hardwired. But for the rest of us, we want the truth.

Botany

(76,398 posts)
38. I'm afraid the sexist, racist, anti intellectual, generationally stupid, and Christo Fascist base is 35% .
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 02:36 PM
Dec 22

But this misinformation helps to reinforce their thanking.

karynnj

(60,780 posts)
32. I agree
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 12:14 PM
Dec 22

The Trump DOJ has had nearly a year to search everything for the very worst of Bill Clinton. This includes any incriminating photos or transcripts. Do you seriously believe if any girl accused Clinton of anything, even if not illegal, that part of the transcript would be there with her name redacted and would have been prominently shared by Trump people.

I suspect that MAGA, even if delighting in the presence of photos of Clinton and Epstein, is disappointed that all the photos can be explained as Clinton and his foundation accepting the use of Epstein's plane and support. Just as Clinton explained years ago.

Botany

(76,398 posts)
15. The "them" don't listen to new and or different information in most cases.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:10 AM
Dec 22

And you are 100% right the Epstein Files haven’t been released but the designed
manipulation of their brain’s biochemistry has been accomplished.

Diraven

(1,824 posts)
27. I doubt much else will be released
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:57 AM
Dec 22

There was so much hype for the first release, and after it became obvious that they were going to ignore the law and only release a few highly redacted files which don't implicate Trump at all the media has pretty much already moved on.

Baitball Blogger

(51,728 posts)
34. Some of the Republicans are also pissed and calls for Bondi's impeachment are growing.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 12:52 PM
Dec 22

None of it will be helpful to Trump.

ChicagoTeamster

(441 posts)
13. They're being advised by their Russian handlers. Standard Kremlin/Russian Mob deflection tactic.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:03 AM
Dec 22

Botany

(76,398 posts)
17. 100% correct.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:15 AM
Dec 22

Just look @ the Russian sponsored misinformation on the threat from trans people or
COVID vaccines or the disease. Just like the MAGA movement is 500 miles wide and
an 1/8 of inch deep and is being in directed by foreign web sites in order to make people
think that there is really something there.

Texin

(2,832 posts)
16. I would tend to disagree with the "highly successful" part. It might fool (or pacify) a small percentage of
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:12 AM
Dec 22

TSF's so-called base, but among the rest of the population, not so much.

Botany

(76,398 posts)
19. disinformation is leading the news when the words Epstein Files are said then followed w/a Clinton picture.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:18 AM
Dec 22

Last edited Mon Dec 22, 2025, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Rinse, lather, & repeat.

ChicagoTeamster

(441 posts)
18. Kimmel and Colbert need to fill in the missing information and so does anyone with a following on Facebook.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:17 AM
Dec 22

DownriverDem

(6,971 posts)
20. Forget Bill Go to
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:19 AM
Dec 22

YouTube.com (free one) and search for MeidasTouch. They post videos often and have saved my sanity.

LAS14

(15,457 posts)
25. What I don't get is that people who should know better....
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:46 AM
Dec 22

... agree that "it was embarrasing" but not criminal. What's embarrasing about being photographed in a hot tub? We shared a hot tub with our neighbors. It was all the rage a couple of decades ago. And by now we know that tons and tons of people shared social situations with Epstein and Maxwell. What was embarrasing???? Going too far witih "both sider-ism" is what I say.

llmart

(17,316 posts)
29. I think you're overblowing this a bit.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:32 AM
Dec 22

First of all, the only people I know who watch mainstream news like CBS, ABC, NBC are older and don't use the computer for much. The people who are possibly glad it was Clinton in the pics are the ones who are going to vote GOP anyway. Even they probably know it's obvious this was a set-up and designed by this administration. You'd have to be pretty stupid and gullible to think it wasn't. Yeah, I know, MAGA is stupid and gullible, but as I said they'd already be voting GOP anyway. No big loss.

Response to Botany (Original post)

Botany

(76,398 posts)
31. It is my well informed opinion... show me the fallacy of my argument or facts.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 12:00 PM
Dec 22

I am allowed to present what to me makes sense to me on a forum based on political thoughts,
discussions, and metaphysical content aren’t I?

Right now the Republicans, much of the media, and other intergalactic entities are pushing
“Hey, look @ Bill Clinton in order to deflect from Trump’s child raping history.”

Response to Botany (Reply #31)

Botany

(76,398 posts)
37. No point in answering you.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 02:31 PM
Dec 22

You have an agenda that is antithetical to America’s best interests.

Good Bye.

Uncle Joe

(64,231 posts)
39. If they are, Bill just took it away from them.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 02:45 PM
Dec 22
Bill Clinton spox calls on DOJ to release Epstein files referencing the former president

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016419989

Thanks for the thread Botany

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,961 posts)
42. Former President Bill Clinton is demanding full transparency from the Epstein files and accuses trump of coverup
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 03:33 PM
Dec 22

trump is trying to use President Clinton to distract. This will not work



Botany

(76,398 posts)
43. Good
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 03:46 PM
Dec 22


But still damage is being done. John Kerry was a hero in Vietnam and w went and hid in the
Texas Air National Guard until the night before his piss test when he transferred himself to
the Alabama National Guard and then the subject got switched to Dan Rather by Rove,
Creative Response Concepts, and the right wing media and party.

yellow dahlia

(4,543 posts)
44. MSM goes for the obvious scandalous and salacious, rather than the investigative data.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 05:34 PM
Dec 22

CNN can be especially guilty of going for the gossip angle, rather than the law and the nitty gritty.

There is a world of difference between tawdry behavior (a la Monica L.) and criminal behavior.

Lots of people on DU have pointed out the nonsense of the inserted photo of Clinton w/ Michael Jackson and Diana Ross and her kids.
We look past what they want us to think.

MSNOW is pointing out the distractions, rather than following the bouncing ball of deflection.

valleyrogue

(2,580 posts)
45. Clinton didn't do anything wrong. He merely used Epstein's plane for humanitarian business.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 06:09 PM
Dec 22

He was like many others Epstein knew but weren't remotely involved in Epstein's crimes.

Always remember they are invoking his name to divert attention from Trump, who had a long friendship with Epstein.

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