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Burgum: "Today we're sending notifications to the 5 large offshore wind projects that are under construction that their leases will be suspended due to national security concerns ... the Dept of War has come back conclusively that these large offshore wind programs create radar interference"
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-12-22T13:58:18.552Z
FFS.............. we have an entire government now literally just making shit up...........
dalton99a
(92,125 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(14,765 posts)Bengus81
(9,826 posts)canetoad
(20,221 posts)To interfere with the profits of oil companies too?
BattleRow
(2,090 posts)RussBLib
(10,423 posts)...and fucking shit up. What a cast of misfits, grifters, and know-nothings, not to mention foreign agents mangling as much of America as possible.
Merry Christmas seems rather out of place these days. Hard to be "Merry" when this nation is being torn apart.
https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1
gilligan
(218 posts)BOSSHOG
(44,738 posts)By people who voted for republicans. Trump should be in jail. John roberts has no integrity. People who voted for trump will not take responsibility for their actions. Trump is free and John roberts could not possibly care less.
surfered
(11,535 posts)John1956PA
(4,817 posts)dalton99a
(92,125 posts)mahina
(20,428 posts)kimbutgar
(26,800 posts)OMGWTF
(5,013 posts)kimbutgar
(26,800 posts)In Palm Springs. Were going to Arizona again at the end of January and plan to spend two nights there and really enjoy the area more. And hope to take the tram!
Attilatheblond
(8,291 posts)My brother & his best friend, both only occasional beer drinkers, hiked around a bit, then each had a beer. Got seriously looped in record time at that altitude.
kimbutgar
(26,800 posts)But thanks for the heads up!
ChazInAz
(2,993 posts)Years ago, my late wife and I took it, and had supper at the restaurant up top. It was dark when we descended, and as we crossed the almost empty, off-season parking lot to my Miata the local mob of raccoons spied us. Patty was terrified as the horde surrounded us, followed us to our vehicle, chittering and purring. I got to play heroic defender as I opened her door, only to have one of the brigands hop in after her...and onto her lap. Naturally, I scooped the beast up, gave it a good petting and offered it back to her to see if she'd like to pet it.
For some reason, she declined.
sop
(17,426 posts)ShazzieB
(22,214 posts)It might be a little harder to gin up an excuse to go after those, but I'm sure his goons will find a way.
progressoid
(52,582 posts)They don't say why, but it is implied that the knuckle-draggers convinced MidAmerican to shut it down.
MidAmericans proposed Siouxland Wind Farm would have had about 60 wind turbines. At times, crowds of over 100 people had attended Woodbury County supervisors meetings to express their opposition to the project. Thank you to all our citizens for their support and just their feedback regarding that project over the years, Bittinger said. Thats just a good win for the county.
Woodbury County Supervisor Mark Nelson said the intense public debate about the project turned out to be a positive. Although they were trying to stop something, it was very uniting and I heard from a lot of people that they didnt know that their neighbors or the guy down the road or that this person over here cared so much about the future of the county, Nelson said. And it has made a lot of friendships of people that have otherwise would have never met, or had a conversation about the future of Woodbury County.
MidAmerican unveiled plans for the wind farm in late 2021 and began acquiring easements in early 2022. Some landowners have already received annual payments for those easements and a MidAmerican spokesman says theyll be able to keep that money. MidAmerican owns and operates more wind energy than any other investor-owned utility in the nation. The company says it considers a number of factors when deciding whether the continue projects, including acceptance from the community and increases in costs.
John1956PA
(4,817 posts)womanofthehills
(10,713 posts)Sun-Zia wind farm in NM which should be completed in 2026 has over 900 wind turbines. When finished, it will be the largest wind farm in US with 3.5 GW.
Unfortunately- I have some Western Spirit Wind Farm 90 ft tall wind transmission lines on the lower end of my property. That wind farm has 377 turbines.
progressoid
(52,582 posts)But they are still impressive. I did a little work on a 265 turbine "farm" about a decade ago.
Iowa has over 6000 turbines which produces about two thirds of our electricity.
I knew someone in a rural IA town whose municipal electricity was owned by the citizens of the town (SOCIALISM!)
. The wind turbines around them produce more electricity than can use so they sell the excess to the grid. Their elec bills are very low. When people's gas furnaces need to be replaced, they use electric ones.
Martin68
(27,061 posts)going along with every insane policy Dump enforces.
KS Toronado
(23,060 posts)And dumpie goes along because they're paying him under the table?
WestMichRad
(2,930 posts)Fossil fuel execs openly bought him with a $1 billion campaign donation in 24.
Bev54
(13,199 posts)KS Toronado
(23,060 posts)Volaris
(11,401 posts)Bev54
(13,199 posts)littlemissmartypants
(31,640 posts)No one should be surprised by their shenanigans at this point.
"Its a criminal enterprise."
~Malcolm Nance
1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior
Zelda_Orchid
(36 posts)Disaffected
(6,161 posts)large commercial vessels (whose numbers far outweigh off-shore windturbs).
odins folly
(547 posts)odins folly
(547 posts)I can unequivocally say they are full of shit.
I was at a radar station on the NC coast. We did not have any interference with anything at or slightly above ground level once you got about half a mile out.
dumbcat
(2,158 posts)conventional radar, or OTH ABM system radars? Big difference.
Decades ago I used to evaluate the efficacy and effectiveness of Over the Horizon radars. They could definitely be affected by wind turbines.
Currently, AI sez:
Yes offshore wind turbines can affect over-the-horizon (OTH) radars, and this is a well-recognized technical and national-security issue. The effects depend on the radar type, operating frequency, turbine layout, and distance.
mahina
(20,428 posts)odins folly
(547 posts)Actually 2: one search the other was a height finder. If I remember correctly the OTH that the USAF played with in the 80s and early 90s was ionosphere bouncing vs. ground propagation.
As for ABM, those radars look straight out from the fan to detect an incoming missile as it crests the horizon. I worked ABM in Thule.
Also, when an object does not move, and the item you are looking for is moving, it becomes easy to detect. If our NATSEC radars are not affected by oil platforms they wouldnt be affected by wind towers.
Disaffected
(6,161 posts)that causes an issue? OTOH, the blades are typically composed of fibreglass which might not reflect radar waves(?).
It sounds like BS but it is not inconceivable IMO that some types of radar might be affected.
odins folly
(547 posts)Then every single prop driven aircraft would be stealth. No the rotation of the blade does not affect radar.
Things to keep in mind, radar waves are frequencies that travel at about the speed of light, I believe it was around 186,000 miles per second. The bases of either an aircraft or was wind power blade travel significantly slower so the waves of the radar go between the blades.
This is an oversimplified explanation.
Disaffected
(6,161 posts)"If that were the case, every prop driven aircraft would be stealth"?? I am saying that the movement of the blades may interfere/react with the radar so how does that translate into prop driven aircraft becoming stealthy? Are you saying that movement of the wind turbine blades would, if that were the case, make them "stealthy" (not visible to radar)?
And, "waves of radar go between the blades" because they travel significantly slower than radar?? Well yes, I would think that would be the case for some of the radar but why would that would that preclude some portion of it being reflected by the (moving) blades?
odins folly
(547 posts)Was that the blades do not affect radar waves at all.
But dont take my word for it. Although the AI stated above says it could, research something besides AI.
Cheers
dumbcat
(2,158 posts).... from ChatGPT. I know a lot of people don't like or trust AI, including me in some areas, but I have found ChatGPT to be pretty accurate in RF and propagation areas.
Over-the-horizon radars work very differently from conventional radars:
They operate in the high-frequency (HF) band (roughly 330 MHz).
They rely on surface-wave propagation along the ocean or ionospheric reflection to see hundreds or thousands of miles beyond line of sight.
They detect very weak Doppler signals from distant aircraft, ships, or missiles.
Because of this, they are unusually sensitive to large conductive objects near the sea surface.
How offshore wind turbines interfere
1. Strong radar clutter
Turbine towers and blades are excellent HF reflectors.
Rotating blades create Doppler shifts that look like moving targets.
Large wind farms can generate persistent false returns.
2. Masking of real targets
Clutter from turbines can hide or degrade detection of:
Low-flying aircraft
Cruise missiles
Surface vessels
This is especially serious for early-warning and maritime surveillance radars.
3. Surface-wave disruption
OTH surface-wave radars rely on smooth ocean propagation.
Turbine foundations disturb the electromagnetic boundary conditions along the sea surface.
Dense turbine fields can reduce signal coherence.
4. Multipath and phase distortion
Turbines create unpredictable reflections that:
Distort bearing accuracy
Reduce tracking reliability
Increase false alarms
odins folly
(547 posts)If a radar system doesnt have a human, then by all means it could cause interference. When I worked with BWMEWS we had to block moon rise because the computer would register it as a large scale missed launch with an endpoint within the CONUS.
Same principle..
The other thing it doesnt mention is range. OTH systems detect between 500 and 2,000 miles from the array. I looked up the projects that are impacted and the furthest from shore is around 30 miles.
I dont want to argue about my real life experience and some artificial intelligence answers.
Cheers,
CTyankee
(67,793 posts)GiqueCee
(3,410 posts)... it BURNS!
evemac
(273 posts)Figarosmom
(9,747 posts)He's our biggest threat to national security.
debsy
(760 posts)
wait for it
Denmark (national security risk because Greenland?)
https://orsted.com/]
I know this because I invested in their company in the early 2020s when we were living in New London, CT. Things were going well under President Joe Biden then. The picture on the front page of the NYT today is looking north, up the Thames river in New London, at the turning Oates that are sitting dormant because of the asshole in chief:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/22/climate/trump-offshore-wind-farms.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share]
I think he is going to declare war on Denmark. These people are so far out of control
littlemissmartypants
(31,640 posts)Immediately after Gaza is rebuilt and Venezuela has a new government.
Disaffected
(6,161 posts)Trump is pissed at Denmark for not handing over Greenland as well as his nutso obsession with wind turbines.
womanofthehills
(10,713 posts)Each have invested many billions. I think the Denmark one is already mostly online supplying over 400,000 families
Ping Tung
(4,141 posts)Initech
(107,433 posts)littlemissmartypants
(31,640 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,166 posts)
tilting at windmills.
What an absolute lunatic.
liberalgunwilltravel
(1,080 posts)But since there is no Department of War, their conclusions can be ignored.
bagimin
(1,661 posts)gay texan
(3,158 posts)If *anything* they may produce ground clutter.
I fucking work in the biz
Seinan Sensei
(1,366 posts)He just aint right
rurallib
(64,554 posts)ETA: what about all the towers in the middle of the country? Don't they cause interference?
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Funny,it works just fine in a commercial aircraft doing 450 knots.
Cherokee100
(434 posts)I bet Big Oil, is laughing all the way, to the bank. As former a radar operator/'tech' in the military, let's just say that is a large load, of 'bull feces'.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)orangecrush
(28,342 posts)ToxMarz
(2,757 posts)and nausea!
Warpy
(114,389 posts)Damn, let the lawsuits begin!
Hey, Tubby, what if the next guy doesn't like coal fired power plants? Or golf courses? Your ox can be gored, too
MiHale
(12,626 posts)The reverberations will be felt worldwide. Alongside all the cheering it may well shake up plate tectonics.
IbogaProject
(5,619 posts)Which is prohibited by tge constution. Even if no new leases are given, and unused ones revoked, these should continue as the capital has been comitted. Yes if there are serious and studies of actual risks then a shutdown might be warrented, but this is an excuse papered onto an agenda.
Vinca
(53,353 posts)Rcanouse
(11 posts)in the Gulf of "America" should be shut down for the same reason
spanone
(141,009 posts)He's insane.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,185 posts)Samael13
(124 posts)The bastards been pissed at wind since Scotland told him what to go do with himself
YoshidaYui
(44,962 posts)Anything to get dirty coal again and freely pollute the air! Maybe more people will die at his hands , he doesnt care!
calimary
(89,041 posts)A green agenda is a bad thing???
Trying to save and protect our planet is a bad thing???
Maybe its just that trump is the one whos green. Green with ENVY.
Progressive dog
(7,572 posts)exactly as other radar reflectors do.
Since the windmills are in fixed locations, they will not be seen as moving objects. They are not high enough or solid enough for boats and planes to hide behind. This is obvious BS put out by some of the stupidest people to have ever lived.
Johonny
(25,456 posts)Or something...
Trump clueless as to our real threats.