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Old Crank

(6,668 posts)
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 03:25 AM Dec 23

Battleships! we need battleships!

More distractions. This is idiocy at its best. Surprised the pictures don't show the gold plating.

These things will be floating deathtraps and require a huge fleet to protect them.

https://www.twz.com/sea/what-we-know-about-the-trump-class-battleship

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lapfog_1

(31,649 posts)
1. let's see
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 03:54 AM
Dec 23

WWII made clear that battleships were obsolete. They only provided distant bombardment platforms( often ineffective ) to landing zones... and they were a big fat target for air power.

Russia / Ukraine war has shown that almost ALL surface vessels are now obsolete... Ukraine, a nation with no ships, has effectively bottled up the Russian Navy in the Sea of Azov... not only that but have done so with much much cheaper smart surface and underwater drones ( effectively smart very long range torpedoes ). as well as unmanned missiles.

If you are building some sort of large surface vessel today, you will spend way more money than the ship costs trying to protect it from cheap attacks... much like main battle tanks now need something to protect them from $1500 usd smart drones. so far nothing is working all that well.

And that is before either side in that war starts unleashing AI drones. Right now the drone defense is centered around breaking the linkage between the drones and the drone operators. Signal jamming, cutting the long attached tether cables, etc. But with the advent of AI drones able to select targets and operate on their own...

The people in the DOD better rethink war tactics and equipment equipment requirements. BTW, those shiny new multi-hundred million dollar war planes... a AI drone fighter jet can do soooo much more with no people at risk. High Gee maneuvers... no problem. so much for Top Gun pilots.

Old Crank

(6,668 posts)
5. In all fairness
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 07:38 AM
Dec 23

Thr Russian fleet that is bottled up is in a small area.

But. A while ago The Economist was discussing the US navy and the ability to use it on China.
Not very good. Land based missiles are good for nearly 1,000 miles. This puts their fancy planes too far away without refueling.
Defensive systems are getting better at targeting at range. You do need a fleet to support an aircraft carrier. The same will hold true for a battle ship.

Igel

(37,360 posts)
6. We expect linguistic precision from Trump?
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 11:57 AM
Dec 23

As the article says, they're battleships in little more than name.

But since we know that Trump is always dead-on with his use of language--wait, and numbers!--well, then ...

It'll be interesting to see what Congress makes of this as well as those responsible for some of the yet-non-existent tech.

Although Israel's laser defense tech might be useful, and what hypersonic tech we have might get a boost from this proposal. Neither of which would be bad to add to the armaments that the US has and conceivably will need in the relatively near future.

Hugin

(37,434 posts)
10. Rest assured that these torpedo magnets will be 6000% larger and 1500% cheaper than their mothballed predecessors.
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 02:08 PM
Dec 23

Or something something. Oh, look! A squirrel!

thought crime

(1,196 posts)
15. If Congress allocates money for this absurd idea you'll know it's a slush fund.
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 04:35 PM
Dec 23

No one should take this seriously. It's pure bombast, and the only thing good about it is the comic relief.

Kaleva

(40,182 posts)
14. The Ukraine war has shown that the Russian Navy is incompetent
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 02:53 PM
Dec 23

Combined Arms warfare is hard and Russia is stuck with Soviet Era thinking.

Norrrm

(4,003 posts)
3. "haven't built a battleship since 1994"... What was the name of that battleship?
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 04:24 AM
Dec 23

"haven't built a battleship since 1994"... What was the name of that battleship?

about 2:55

Kaleva

(40,182 posts)
13. These are more like the Soviet era Kirov battle cruisers
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 02:49 PM
Dec 23

Fitted out with lasers, railguns, nuclear armed missiles, along with dozens of other type of missiles, they’ll be a force to recon with

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,961 posts)
16. MaddowBlog-Trump names battleship class after himself, advancing his personalization crusade
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 05:09 PM
Dec 23

Sticking his name on everything is especially difficult to defend as it so plainly does little to meet the nation’s needs.

The personalization of government is advancing at ridiculous speeds:
- Trump-class battleships
- Trump’s name added to Kennedy Center, Institute for Peace
- legal-tender coin featuring Trump’s face (on both sides)
- Trump Gold Cards
- Trump Accounts
- F-47 fighter jets
- 47-day ICE training

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-12-23T14:04:44.654Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-names-battleship-class-after-himself-advancing-his-personalization-crusade

It’s hardly a secret that Donald Trump desperately wants to apply his name to things, but the president cares nearly as much about adding the word “gold” to assorted labels. Just in the course of the past year, for example, we’ve seen him emphasize everything from “Gold Cards” to a “Golden Dome” to a “Golden Age” for the nation. (Never mind the shiny curlicues he’s slapped up all over the Oval Office.)

Once in a great while, though, the Republican finds a way to check both boxes simultaneously. My MS NOW colleague Erum Salam reported:

The United States will build new ‘Trump-class’ battleships as part of a ‘Golden Fleet,’ President Donald Trump announced Monday. […]

‘They’ll be the fastest, the biggest and by far 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built,’ Trump said at a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. He was joined by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Navy Secretary John Phelan and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.


So, on the one hand, we’re talking about a fleet that joins the president’s “golden” list while, on the other, Trump is also naming a class of battleships after himself. The White House promoted illustrations of the unbuilt ships featuring an emblem that centers Trump with a raised fist — a detail that reinforces concerns that this is less about national security and more about self-aggrandizement and self-glorification on the part of the president.

Trump Class battleship illustration, as released by the White House.

Steve Herman (@newsguy.bsky.social) 2025-12-22T22:55:14.884Z


For those keeping score, Trump and his allies have now applied his name to the Kennedy Center and the Institute of Peace, unveiled a commemorative legal-tender coin that that will feature his face on both sides and launched “Trump Gold Cards” and “Trump Accounts.” By some accounts, the president wants the upcoming White House ballroom to be named after him, too.

But wait, there’s more. Trump wants a football stadium in the nation’s capital to be named after him; the nation’s next-generation fighter jet will have an F-47 designation in honor of him (he is the nation’s 47th president); and training for incoming Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents was reduced from 50 days to 47 days for the same reason.

We are witnessing the personalization of the American government in real time, and it’s advancing at ridiculous speeds (and in ridiculous directions).....

Montgomery said the new frigate has “zero tactical use” and that officials appear to be “focused on the president’s visual that a battleship is a cool-looking ship.”

This isn’t how a global superpower is supposed to function. The administration’s plan is moving forward anyway.
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