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Read the letter celebrity lawyer Alex Spiro wrote to Gavin Newsom, warning that his clients will 'permanently relocate' if California wealth tax passes
Jack Newsham,Madeline Berg
A proposed billionaire tax in California has the wealthy threatening to flee, according to a letter written by power lawyer Alex Spiro to Gov. Gavin Newsom.
In a December 11 letter that was obtained by Business Insider, Spiro lays out his opposition to the proposed tax on behalf of his clients, whom he calls "California residents who would be subject to the proposed Billionaire Tax Act."
"It will trigger an exodus of capital and innovation from California," Spiro wrote. "Our clients have made clear they will permanently relocate if subjected to this tax."
The measure proposes that California residents with assets exceeding $1 billion be subject to a one-time 5% tax on the value of their assets. If the proposal receives enough signatures, it will appear on the state ballot in November 2026. If passed, it would apply retroactively to all California residents as of January 1, 2026.
Among Sprio' clients are the Kardashians, Jay-Z, and Elon Musk
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/read-letter-celebrity-lawyer-alex-204649466.html
Ocelot II
(128,920 posts)SheltieLover
(76,346 posts)Gore1FL
(22,823 posts)CousinIT
(12,192 posts)"I welcome your hatred. Goodbye."
While Newsom has said he is against the tax and would "fight" it, he would not have the ability to veto it if it were to pass as a ballot measure.
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There are many things I like about Newsom, but not his over the top support for the tech industry.
I hope he doesn't run in 28, and if he does, he isn't the nominee.
People have numerous objections to some of his policies.
Me, I'm a "vote blue, no matter who" type, and have had to hold my nose, but MANY others are not.
BannonsLiver
(20,218 posts)newdeal2
(4,716 posts)I doubt this measure will hold up, at least in the way it is currently written. Also, why aren't his clients publicly speaking up if they're so proud of their position?
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,578 posts)1% tax on their immense wealth is NOT a fucking hardship!
Geez Louise!
Stargazer99
(3,426 posts)EYESORE 9001
(29,434 posts)The great unwashed masses will certainly understand and identify with their plight.
Johonny
(25,314 posts)multigraincracker
(36,890 posts)SheltieLover
(76,346 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(18,996 posts)Daigan
(24 posts)hlthe2b
(112,703 posts)I'd personally like all of the above to leave the US. I don't know who would take them and despite the obscene wealth in UAE (and UAE willingness to look the other way with re: to an Muslim sensitivities for the wealthiest among them in Dubai), I doubt they'd be too happy there either.
C_U_L8R
(48,815 posts)Lifes too short to suffer selfish assholes.
UpInArms
(54,001 posts)Can never share and never have enough for their tiny shriveled souls
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They should be taxed out of existence
Hugin
(37,351 posts)- said with my best Chauncey Gardiner voice.
Initech
(107,286 posts)Lovie777
(21,619 posts)Jose Garcia
(3,422 posts)drmeow
(5,911 posts)Jose Garcia
(3,422 posts)Californias Legislative Analysts Office and Department of Finance have estimated that the state would collect tens of billions of dollars from the wealth tax in onetime payments. But they added that state income tax revenues would also fall over the long term by hundreds of millions a year if billionaires decided to move away.
A spokesman for Mr. Newsom said he continued to oppose state-level wealth taxes because they encouraged those who would be affected to move to another state.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/26/technology/california-wealth-tax-page-thiel.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
MichMan
(16,580 posts)Johonny
(25,314 posts)Turnout up so they hold onto a few seats . . .
One time tax? Sounds stupid and counter productive.
MichMan
(16,580 posts)Blue Full Moon
(3,119 posts)karin_sj
(1,321 posts)I really don't think it will be the exodus that this idiot is predicting, and if those particular billionaires leave, it'll be good for California. Maybe they'll stop trying to create their own private "tech friendly" cities here when the current resident don't want it. I'm so sick of their greedy, selfish ways. They have more money than most of us can even imagine and yet they are never satisfied. F 'em!
spanone
(140,938 posts)Eff 'em all.
pcdb
(74 posts)The top 1% of income earners contribute about 39% of state tax revenue. If they all left, California would be screwed.
intheflow
(29,977 posts)I mean, maybe Thiel and a few others, but it certainly won't be a mass exodus. Where they gonna go? You think the majority of Tech Bros who make under a billion are going to want to relocate to Texas or rural Kansas or cold and snowy NYC, with its socialist mayor-elect? They could move to another country, but then their products could then be subject to shitty tarriffs. Maybe they could move to Hawaii, but that would drive overall production costs up. The US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico will have too many black and brown people for them, and of course, who wants to relocate their business to Hurricane Row? It's empty bullying, if you ask me.
Retrograde
(11,372 posts)who is building a 12 (at last count) house compound in my town.
walkingman
(10,287 posts)Arguments for nationalizing wealth taxes:
1. Preventing "Millionaire Flight": State-level wealth taxes may cause top talent and entrepreneurs to move to less regressive states, making national policy more effective.
2. Addressing Economic Inequality: Federal taxes are seen as a necessary tool for distributive justice to curb extreme wealth concentration.
3.Targeting Unrealized Gains: A national policy could address taxes on paper wealth or assets, which are difficult to tax effectively at a state level.
4. Uniformity: Federal, rather than state, rules would eliminate loopholes for the ultra-rich.
haele
(15,051 posts)His job as he sees it is to maximize wealth for his clients so he can scrape more fees off the top.
Most of his clients wouldn't see any difference between a 1% wealth tax and the fees he would have charged them to "invest" that 1%.
Not only that, they won't realize any benefit from that 1% he moved around as an investment for them -
" Oh, sorry - market correction, you lost $2m last quarter, but you're going to make it back up and then some if I move you over to this fund - another $100k, please..."
With that $1M a year per $1B tax -er - investment in California, they can invest that money in things that make the state a better place to live and do business in.
Instead of just further lining the pockets of already wealthy money managers.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,368 posts)He did get Alec Baldwin off regarding the politically motivated murder charges.
But hes gone up against Mark Bankston (the guy who train wrecked Alex Jones for $1billion) on some defamation cases and made a complete ass of himself.
hunter
(40,342 posts)You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
bluestarone
(21,096 posts)To HELL with them!!
jonstl08
(533 posts)I know this is a minority opinion in this thread but I think this is the wrong approach. They should at the federal level go after the tax avoidance schemes these billionaire use as tax shelters such as taking out loans on their assets such as stocks. Then using the dividends (if qualified) received to pay off the loans. You pay a lower rate of tax on qualified dividends plus the interest on the loans may be tax deductible.
OC375
(410 posts)It's a global economy now, and we collectively optimized wealth over the last several decades to be mobile and easy to convert.
These initiatives only really work if everyone does it (no safe haven for you or your $$$ to realistically go to), or people are restrained in moving themselves and/or what they possess (you and your $$$ just plain can't leave, or you can keep more $$$ if you stay than go).
Billionaires and even lowly multi-millionaires have a surplus of smart people from around the planet, all competing with each other to be ones who are paid to preserve and protect their wealth.
California is just one of many really beautiful, exceptional places on the Earth where wealth has recently concentrated, and wealth is portable, so it will probably just be courted and incentivized to move elsewhere, and likely grow when it does...
I don't have an answer, but I doubt this achieves what it intends to do. It's certainly leaning in a better direction than the other guys would go with it, I'll give it that.
kwolf68
(8,222 posts)Out of one billion
Is literally nothing to these people.
This mindset is malignant and often precedes societal revolution by the common man
LostOne4Ever
(9,733 posts)So California will lose the tax money of people who dont pay taxes?
I dont see the downside. The wealth leeches leave and prices on housing goes down. Win-win.
TheRickles
(3,140 posts)But it has worked out fine since its passage in 2022, with billions of dollars more now available for the public good each year, and actually more ultra-wealthy living in MA since it passed.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/data-shows-mass-is-home-to-more-millionaires-despite-new-surtax-according-to-advocates/3698430/|
MichMan
(16,580 posts)Is there a mechanism to calculate the net worth of every California taxpayer?
Buddyzbuddy
(2,069 posts)Pay up or shut up. Having wealth is a privilege. It's way past time to pay for that privilege.
