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CoopersDad

(3,276 posts)
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:27 AM 7 hrs ago

Gavin Newsom warned that billionaires will 'permanently relocate' if California wealth tax passes



Read the letter celebrity lawyer Alex Spiro wrote to Gavin Newsom, warning that his clients will 'permanently relocate' if California wealth tax passes

Jack Newsham,Madeline Berg

A proposed billionaire tax in California has the wealthy threatening to flee, according to a letter written by power lawyer Alex Spiro to Gov. Gavin Newsom.

In a December 11 letter that was obtained by Business Insider, Spiro lays out his opposition to the proposed tax on behalf of his clients, whom he calls "California residents who would be subject to the proposed Billionaire Tax Act."

"It will trigger an exodus of capital and innovation from California," Spiro wrote. "Our clients have made clear they will permanently relocate if subjected to this tax."

The measure proposes that California residents with assets exceeding $1 billion be subject to a one-time 5% tax on the value of their assets. If the proposal receives enough signatures, it will appear on the state ballot in November 2026. If passed, it would apply retroactively to all California residents as of January 1, 2026.


Among Sprio' clients are the Kardashians, Jay-Z, and Elon Musk

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/read-letter-celebrity-lawyer-alex-204649466.html
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Gavin Newsom warned that billionaires will 'permanently relocate' if California wealth tax passes (Original Post) CoopersDad 7 hrs ago OP
Don't let the door slap you on the ass on your way out, parasites. Ocelot II 7 hrs ago #1
You beat me to it SheltieLover 5 hrs ago #27
I guess that will open housing for people who pay taxes. NT Gore1FL 7 hrs ago #2
Newsom's response should be: CousinIT 7 hrs ago #3
Newsom dweller 6 hrs ago #8
Ugh karin_sj 6 hrs ago #23
Ugh. CousinIT 5 hrs ago #26
Better get the nose clips ready. BannonsLiver 5 hrs ago #30
They would have to move in the next day to avoid the retroactive tax? newdeal2 7 hrs ago #4
The BILLIONAIRE Class have become the WHINER class. ProudMNDemocrat 7 hrs ago #5
It is called greed Stargazer99 7 hrs ago #6
I think they should whine louder and more publicly EYESORE 9001 6 hrs ago #20
They always have been Johonny 6 hrs ago #22
Make it a National Law, save SS Law. multigraincracker 6 hrs ago #7
Yes! SheltieLover 5 hrs ago #28
"So, what's the bad news?" nt Buns_of_Fire 6 hrs ago #9
Good Riddance! NT Daigan 6 hrs ago #10
I honestly think a majority would gladly have the Kardashians (and of course, Musk) depart California... hlthe2b 6 hrs ago #11
Contribute to the common good or goodbye. C_U_L8R 6 hrs ago #12
Money hoarders UpInArms 6 hrs ago #13
"Sometimes the coppice needs to be cleared lest it becomes a hedgerow." Hugin 6 hrs ago #14
Hey MAGA, it's not the immigrants who are ruining America! It's the billionaires! Initech 6 hrs ago #15
Bye.. .... Lovie777 6 hrs ago #16
The state of California's economists have projected that this tax would result in a net loss of revenue Jose Garcia 6 hrs ago #17
Link? nt drmeow 5 hrs ago #32
New York Times: Jose Garcia 5 hrs ago #34
I keep hearing that they don't pay any taxes anyway MichMan 4 hrs ago #43
Feels like a poison pill measure designed to get GOP Johonny 6 hrs ago #18
It could probably get renewed every 5 years MichMan 5 hrs ago #38
They are his peeps though Blue Full Moon 6 hrs ago #19
Good riddance, assholes! karin_sj 6 hrs ago #21
California will be better without them. spanone 6 hrs ago #24
Are you sure about that? pcdb 3 hrs ago #48
They won't leave. intheflow 5 hrs ago #25
As long as they take Zuckerberg with them Retrograde 5 hrs ago #29
Wealth Taxes should be at the Federal level not State level walkingman 5 hrs ago #31
Spiro is a F'ing con man. haele 5 hrs ago #33
Spiro is a scumbag Hassin Bin Sober 3 hrs ago #46
Silly billionaires. hunter 5 hrs ago #35
California will be better off when these leeches leave. bluestarone 5 hrs ago #36
Not a good idea jonstl08 5 hrs ago #37
Of course they will? OC375 4 hrs ago #39
50 million dollars one time kwolf68 4 hrs ago #40
So California will lose the tax money of people who don't pay taxes? LostOne4Ever 4 hrs ago #41
Massachusetts was warned that the wealthy would flee if a wealth tax was instituted. TheRickles 4 hrs ago #42
How will the government determine how much they owe? MichMan 4 hrs ago #44
The low cost of living has never been a reason to live in California. Buddyzbuddy 4 hrs ago #45
I hope they don't come to my state. BoomaofBandM 3 hrs ago #47
Can they please move out of the US altogether? Luciferous 13 min ago #49

dweller

(27,799 posts)
8. Newsom
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:49 AM
6 hrs ago

While Newsom has said he is against the tax and would "fight" it, he would not have the ability to veto it if it were to pass as a ballot measure.

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karin_sj

(1,321 posts)
23. Ugh
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:22 AM
6 hrs ago

There are many things I like about Newsom, but not his over the top support for the tech industry.

CousinIT

(12,192 posts)
26. Ugh.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:55 AM
5 hrs ago

I hope he doesn't run in 28, and if he does, he isn't the nominee.

People have numerous objections to some of his policies.

Me, I'm a "vote blue, no matter who" type, and have had to hold my nose, but MANY others are not.

newdeal2

(4,716 posts)
4. They would have to move in the next day to avoid the retroactive tax?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:33 AM
7 hrs ago

I doubt this measure will hold up, at least in the way it is currently written. Also, why aren't his clients publicly speaking up if they're so proud of their position?

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,578 posts)
5. The BILLIONAIRE Class have become the WHINER class.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:35 AM
7 hrs ago

1% tax on their immense wealth is NOT a fucking hardship!

Geez Louise!

EYESORE 9001

(29,434 posts)
20. I think they should whine louder and more publicly
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:20 AM
6 hrs ago

The great unwashed masses will certainly understand and identify with their plight.

hlthe2b

(112,703 posts)
11. I honestly think a majority would gladly have the Kardashians (and of course, Musk) depart California...
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:55 AM
6 hrs ago

I'd personally like all of the above to leave the US. I don't know who would take them and despite the obscene wealth in UAE (and UAE willingness to look the other way with re: to an Muslim sensitivities for the wealthiest among them in Dubai), I doubt they'd be too happy there either.

C_U_L8R

(48,815 posts)
12. Contribute to the common good or goodbye.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 10:55 AM
6 hrs ago

Life’s too short to suffer selfish assholes.

UpInArms

(54,001 posts)
13. Money hoarders
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:01 AM
6 hrs ago

Can never share and never have enough for their tiny shriveled souls

ETA

They should be taxed out of existence

Hugin

(37,351 posts)
14. "Sometimes the coppice needs to be cleared lest it becomes a hedgerow."
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:01 AM
6 hrs ago

- said with my best Chauncey Gardiner voice.




Jose Garcia

(3,422 posts)
17. The state of California's economists have projected that this tax would result in a net loss of revenue
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:08 AM
6 hrs ago

Jose Garcia

(3,422 posts)
34. New York Times:
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:27 PM
5 hrs ago

California’s Legislative Analyst’s Office and Department of Finance have estimated that the state “would collect tens of billions of dollars from the wealth tax” in onetime payments. But they added that state income tax revenues would also fall over the long term by hundreds of millions a year if billionaires decided to move away.

A spokesman for Mr. Newsom said he continued to oppose “state-level wealth taxes” because they encouraged those who would be affected to move to another state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/26/technology/california-wealth-tax-page-thiel.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Johonny

(25,314 posts)
18. Feels like a poison pill measure designed to get GOP
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:19 AM
6 hrs ago

Turnout up so they hold onto a few seats . . .

One time tax? Sounds stupid and counter productive.

karin_sj

(1,321 posts)
21. Good riddance, assholes!
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:20 AM
6 hrs ago

I really don't think it will be the exodus that this idiot is predicting, and if those particular billionaires leave, it'll be good for California. Maybe they'll stop trying to create their own private "tech friendly" cities here when the current resident don't want it. I'm so sick of their greedy, selfish ways. They have more money than most of us can even imagine and yet they are never satisfied. F 'em!

pcdb

(74 posts)
48. Are you sure about that?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:12 PM
3 hrs ago

The top 1% of income earners contribute about 39% of state tax revenue. If they all left, California would be screwed.

intheflow

(29,977 posts)
25. They won't leave.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:47 AM
5 hrs ago

I mean, maybe Thiel and a few others, but it certainly won't be a mass exodus. Where they gonna go? You think the majority of Tech Bros who make under a billion are going to want to relocate to Texas or rural Kansas or cold and snowy NYC, with its socialist mayor-elect? They could move to another country, but then their products could then be subject to shitty tarriffs. Maybe they could move to Hawaii, but that would drive overall production costs up. The US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico will have too many black and brown people for them, and of course, who wants to relocate their business to Hurricane Row? It's empty bullying, if you ask me.

Retrograde

(11,372 posts)
29. As long as they take Zuckerberg with them
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:00 PM
5 hrs ago

who is building a 12 (at last count) house compound in my town.

walkingman

(10,287 posts)
31. Wealth Taxes should be at the Federal level not State level
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:10 PM
5 hrs ago

Arguments for nationalizing wealth taxes:

1. Preventing "Millionaire Flight": State-level wealth taxes may cause top talent and entrepreneurs to move to less regressive states, making national policy more effective.
2. Addressing Economic Inequality: Federal taxes are seen as a necessary tool for distributive justice to curb extreme wealth concentration.
3.Targeting Unrealized Gains: A national policy could address taxes on paper wealth or assets, which are difficult to tax effectively at a state level.
4. Uniformity: Federal, rather than state, rules would eliminate loopholes for the ultra-rich.

haele

(15,051 posts)
33. Spiro is a F'ing con man.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:12 PM
5 hrs ago

His job as he sees it is to maximize wealth for his clients so he can scrape more fees off the top.
Most of his clients wouldn't see any difference between a 1% wealth tax and the fees he would have charged them to "invest" that 1%.
Not only that, they won't realize any benefit from that 1% he moved around as an investment for them -

" Oh, sorry - market correction, you lost $2m last quarter, but you're going to make it back up and then some if I move you over to this fund - another $100k, please..."


With that $1M a year per $1B tax -er - investment in California, they can invest that money in things that make the state a better place to live and do business in.

Instead of just further lining the pockets of already wealthy money managers.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,368 posts)
46. Spiro is a scumbag
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:46 PM
3 hrs ago

He did get Alec Baldwin off regarding the politically motivated murder charges.

But he’s gone up against Mark Bankston (the guy who train wrecked Alex Jones for $1billion) on some defamation cases and made a complete ass of himself.

jonstl08

(533 posts)
37. Not a good idea
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:39 PM
5 hrs ago

I know this is a minority opinion in this thread but I think this is the wrong approach. They should at the federal level go after the tax avoidance schemes these billionaire use as tax shelters such as taking out loans on their assets such as stocks. Then using the dividends (if qualified) received to pay off the loans. You pay a lower rate of tax on qualified dividends plus the interest on the loans may be tax deductible.

OC375

(410 posts)
39. Of course they will?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:52 PM
4 hrs ago

It's a global economy now, and we collectively optimized wealth over the last several decades to be mobile and easy to convert.

These initiatives only really work if everyone does it (no safe haven for you or your $$$ to realistically go to), or people are restrained in moving themselves and/or what they possess (you and your $$$ just plain can't leave, or you can keep more $$$ if you stay than go).

Billionaires and even lowly multi-millionaires have a surplus of smart people from around the planet, all competing with each other to be ones who are paid to preserve and protect their wealth.

California is just one of many really beautiful, exceptional places on the Earth where wealth has recently concentrated, and wealth is portable, so it will probably just be courted and incentivized to move elsewhere, and likely grow when it does...

I don't have an answer, but I doubt this achieves what it intends to do. It's certainly leaning in a better direction than the other guys would go with it, I'll give it that.

kwolf68

(8,222 posts)
40. 50 million dollars one time
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:06 PM
4 hrs ago

Out of one billion

Is literally nothing to these people.

This mindset is malignant and often precedes societal revolution by the common man

LostOne4Ever

(9,733 posts)
41. So California will lose the tax money of people who don't pay taxes?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:12 PM
4 hrs ago

So California will lose the tax money of people who don’t pay taxes?

I don’t see the downside. The wealth leeches leave and prices on housing goes down. Win-win.

TheRickles

(3,140 posts)
42. Massachusetts was warned that the wealthy would flee if a wealth tax was instituted.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:20 PM
4 hrs ago

But it has worked out fine since its passage in 2022, with billions of dollars more now available for the public good each year, and actually more ultra-wealthy living in MA since it passed.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/data-shows-mass-is-home-to-more-millionaires-despite-new-surtax-according-to-advocates/3698430/|

MichMan

(16,580 posts)
44. How will the government determine how much they owe?
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:27 PM
4 hrs ago

Is there a mechanism to calculate the net worth of every California taxpayer?

Buddyzbuddy

(2,069 posts)
45. The low cost of living has never been a reason to live in California.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:30 PM
4 hrs ago

Pay up or shut up. Having wealth is a privilege. It's way past time to pay for that privilege.

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