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LetMyPeopleVote

(174,886 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:17 PM Saturday

Trying Maduro in the US will involve some interesting legal questions on head of state immunity

Professor Vladek has a some good analysis on any possible trial of Maduro in US courts. There is an issue of head of state immunity.

open.substack.com/pub/stevevla.... Steve Vladeck

Maria & Carol Los (@terpsichorecmlos.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T23:27:00.538Z

https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/200-five-questions-about-the-maduro?r=4obbfg&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay&triedRedirect=true
The tougher nuts for prosecutors to crack will be Maduro’s arguments that he’s entitled to some kind of immunity—whether because he was Venezuela’s “head of state” or because, even if he wasn’t, his alleged crimes all arise from official acts conducted with governmental authority. Both of these doctrines are common-law doctrines that federal courts apply with at least some reference to executive branch practice.

On head-of-state immunity, there’s no doubt that, as one district court put it in 1994, “A head-of-state recognized by the United States government is absolutely immune from personal jurisdiction in United States courts unless that immunity has been waived by statute or by the foreign government recognized by the United States.” The issue here is recognition. Unlike Noriega in Panama (who was at most the de facto head of state), Maduro lawfully served as interim president after Hugo Chávez’s 2013 death; and he was formally recognized as the Venezuelan head of state for years—by both the Obama and Trump administrations—after his 2013 election. It’s only since 2019, after serious concerns arose regarding the integrity of the 2018 Venezuelan elections, that the United States has refused to recognize Maduro as the lawful head of state—in a context in which, unlike what was true for Noriega, Maduro would have at least some claim that he was lawfully serving in that position under Venezuelan law. In other words, Maduro was, for quite some time, recognized as Venezuela’s head of state. And even during the period in which he wasn’t, he has at least a plausible claim that he was nevertheless entitled to immunity. Either way, that question seems much closer here than in the Noriega case (or others).

And even if courts ultimately reject head-of-state immunity, they may still conclude that Maduro is insulated from liability for “official acts,” especially in light of the Supreme Court’s embrace of a version of constitutional “official act” immunity for President Trump in Trump v. United States. In its 2012 ruling in Yousuf v. Samantar, the Fourth Circuit carefully analyzed both of these immunity doctrines before holding that they did not apply to a high-ranking official in Somalia during the military regime of General Mohamed Barre. But there are lots of grounds on which Maduro’s arguments could well be stronger—including his higher status; the extent to which the acts he’s charged with are not as obviously violations of jus cogens norms of international law; and so on.

All of this is to say that the prosecution will be no slam dunk, especially with regard to the charges against Maduro himself. That may not matter in the grander scheme of things, but it’s yet another way in which Friday’s operation raises more questions than it answers.

This will be an interesting trial that is NOT a slam dunk
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Trying Maduro in the US will involve some interesting legal questions on head of state immunity (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Saturday OP
I want to see the evidence. returnee Saturday #1
They're gonna Epstein Maduro Bobstandard Saturday #2
What happened? He fell down ....38 times. underpants Saturday #4
I don't think Donnie, Miller, et al thought this through Retrograde Saturday #3
An absolute illegal farce malaise Saturday #5
I have no doubt that this Supreme Court will find unblock Saturday #6
The US did prosecute the former Honduran president iemanja Saturday #7
They don't want a public trial Bobstandard Saturday #8
Trump may have blown up Maduro case in private chat with Morning Joe: legal expert LetMyPeopleVote 22 hrs ago #9

Bobstandard

(2,182 posts)
2. They're gonna Epstein Maduro
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:31 PM
Saturday

Who wants to bet Maduro is gonna ‘commit suicide’ or get shanked by ‘a mentally disturbed inmate’, or-and this is more likely-Maduro will hook Trump up with all the gold he’s stolen and stashed in Cuba and get a pardon or free pass to exile in Dubai.

Retrograde

(11,375 posts)
3. I don't think Donnie, Miller, et al thought this through
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:35 PM
Saturday

"Act first, think later" seems to be the modus operandi of this gang.

unblock

(55,910 posts)
6. I have no doubt that this Supreme Court will find
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:51 PM
Saturday

that presidential immunity pertains to Donnie only and in no way relates to other heads of state.

I await their twisted logic and far-flung historical citations with great antici




pation.



iemanja

(57,378 posts)
7. The US did prosecute the former Honduran president
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:54 PM
Saturday

The one Trump pardoned. I suppose that was on drug trafficking charges into the US. It depends if similar evidence exists against Maduro.

Bobstandard

(2,182 posts)
8. They don't want a public trial
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:02 PM
Saturday

In the same way they didn’t want Jack to testify in public, they won’t want Maduro talking. He’s a dictator. Dictators don’t want dictators talking inside baseball.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,886 posts)
9. Trump may have blown up Maduro case in private chat with Morning Joe: legal expert
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 04:55 PM
22 hrs ago

trump is an idiot and is giving Maduro some good material to use if this case goes to trial

Trump may have blown up Maduro case in private chat with Morning Joe: legal expert

www.rawstory.com/trump-s-priv...

Anne Grete (GoogeliArt) 🦋💙PD (@googeliart.bsky.social) 2026-01-06T15:10:14.871Z

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-s-private-remarks-to-morning-joe-could-blow-up-case-against-marduro-legal-expert/

President Donald Trump's private comments to MS NOW's Joe Scarborough could blow up the prosecution of Venezuela's former president Nicolás Maduro.

The "Morning Joe" host revealed Tuesday morning that he'd spoken to the president the previous day, and he told viewers that Trump boasted that the U.S. was going to take over the South American nation's oil production.

"'Joe, the difference between Iraq and this is that [George W.] Bush didn't keep the oil – we're going to keep the oil,'" Scarborough said Trump told him, "and to underline his point, Trump said his comments were no longer on background and said, 'In 2016, I said we should have kept the oil, it caused a lot of controversy. Well, we should have kept the oil.'".....

Those comments, along with similar statements Trump has publicly made, could strengthen Maduro's defense as he fights prosecution in New York on drug and weapons charges, according to MS NOW's legal analyst Lisa Rubin.

"Barry Pollack, who had represented Julian Assange and now represents Maduro, previewed that he is going to make motions to dismiss on the basis of not only head of state immunity, but about the legality of the abduction in the first place," Rubin said.

"And I think that Mr. Pollack would have been very interested in the conversation you had with the president yesterday. Had that conversation taken place before the court appearance, I expect that comments like that would have been addressed, and he would have told the judge this was pretextual."

"This was a military operation all along," Rubin said, anticipating Maduro's defense. "It was always about the oil that the president intends to keep, and not about an indictment or a superseding indictment of Nicolás Maduro, who has been under indictment in the United States already for five-plus years."


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