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The trump administration is taking that there was no need to notify congress because this was NOT a military operation but a mere arrest or law enforcement operation
Rubio: Venezuela strikes âa law enforcement operation,â not âinvasionâ
— USpolitics ðºð¸ (@uspol.skyfleet.blue) 2026-01-04T21:33:57.887Z
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5672165-rubio-defends-venezuela-arrest/
In an interview on ABC Newss This Week, Rubio defended the operation against claims that it was illegal.
It wasnt necessary because this is not an invasion. We didnt occupy a country, Rubio told George Stephanopoulos, when asked why congressional authorization wasnt necessary.
This was an arrest operation. This was a law enforcement operation. He was arrested on the ground in Venezuela by FBI agents, read his rights and removed from the country, Rubio continued.
U.S. forces carried out a stunning operation overnight into Saturday morning to capture and arrest Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife and bring them back to New York to face charges related to drug trafficking, terrorism and firearms. Maduro is in custody at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, N.Y.
WarGamer
(18,249 posts)Unless you count AUMF of 2001 which CONTINUES in legal force today.
Should have been repealed a decade ago.
tritsofme
(19,797 posts)Surprisingly, they actually got repealed a few weeks ago as part of the NDAA.
EarlG
(23,362 posts)Imagine if 40 Americans were killed during a "law enforcement operation" inside the United States.
I guess it doesn't matter if we do it to foreigners.
regnaD kciN
(27,468 posts)Havent you been paying attention for the last 100-plus years?
regnaD kciN
(27,468 posts)
but were still going to run it until we decide its ready, which will be after our charitable energy companies have charitably taken over their oil?
Oh, thats right. Its our oil that they stole by nationalizing their oil fields that belonged to us. How unjust!
Metaphorical
(2,596 posts)Venezuela has a very large oil reserve, but it's high-sulfur and poor quality crude; Koch could refine it, but with oil prices where they are right now, it's likely taking on a huge investment for comparatively little return. Venezuela's state-owned infrastructure would have to be rebuilt from scratch. What's more, one of the biggest customers for Venezuela is China, which already has contracts in place; I'd not be at all surprised to see the (new) Chinese navy start deploying battleships armed with both heavy guns and drones to "protect" Venezuela and other Chinese oil providers. The Chinese naval commanders are probably chomping at the bit to prove themselves against the Americans. (Oh, and the Chinese have also been building bootleg F-35 fighters that they'd really like to test out.)
RockRaven
(18,726 posts)Okay, got it. So long as we are clear on what various words mean when they use them.
Skittles
(169,584 posts)WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT???
Eugene
(66,803 posts)The Bush 43 Crime Family framed Operation Iraqi Liberation's coalition of the willing as a sheriff's posse under color of international law.
Justice matters.
(9,395 posts)If I'm not mistaken, the citizens of Venezuela don't pay any federal taxes to help pay the Federal Bureau of Investigations expenditures...
No questions asked about that?
Diamond_Dog
(39,769 posts)malaise
(292,826 posts)Eff that shit - it was an invasion, kidnapping and genocide
Ms. Toad
(38,306 posts)Do I think it was legal? No.
But their actions so far are consistent with that story line.
SWBTATTReg
(26,039 posts)desperately trying to get the spotlight shined elsewhere other than his failing policies, failed administration, etc.
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,972 posts)Link to tweet
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sinkingfeeling
(57,229 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,972 posts)Here is Professor Vladeck's analysis of this "arrest". Under this legal theory, this was NOT a military operation but an arrest by two FBI agents who had to be protected by the military. That is the legal theory for not notifying congress. I agree with Professor Vladeck that this legal theory if pure BS and should not hold up.
"If we hadnât already, weâve unquestionably joined the league of ordinary nationsâa league in which weâre acting as little more than a bully, and in circumstances in which no obvious principle of self-defense, human rights, or even humantarianism writ large justifies our bellicosity."
— Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T21:32:42.911Z
Me on Maduro:
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/200-five-questions-about-the-maduro
The basis for that argument is the merger of two strands of legal arguments that have long been made by the Department of Justicebut never blessed by the Supreme Court. The first strand traces to a deeply controversial 1989 DOJ Office of Legal Counsel memorandum by then-Assistant Attorney General Bill Barr (yes, the same one), which concluded that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use the FBI for extraterritorial arrests, even in circumstances in which the arrests violate international law (e.g., by infringing upon a foreign nations sovereignty). The memo also concluded, quite usefully, that such arrests dont violate the Fourth Amendment. The second strand is DOJs longstanding view that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use military force to protect federal institutions and officers in the exercise of their federal duties. Thus, in a textbook example of the tail wagging the dog, the military force was merely the means by which President Trump protected the handful of FBI personnel who apparently were involved in the actual arrests.
Question #2: Okay, So Why Are Those Arguments Unpersuasive?
Without attempting to be exhaustive, it seems to me that there are at least three things to say about these arguments:
First, note how any reliance upon the Barr Memo is giving up the ghost on the (obvious) violations of Venezuelas sovereigntyand, thus, the U.N. Charter (to say nothing of myriad other international agreements and precepts of customary international law). Theres no attempt to even try to argue that this operation was consistent with international lawfor the obvious reason that it isnt. (There had been some suggestion earlier in the day that the Trump administration might try to identify Venezuelan officials who had invited the United States to breach Venezuelas sovereignty, but that hasnt gone anywhere.) Thus, unlike the boat strikes, which have all occurred in the legally grayer area of international waters, Friday nights operation involves a textbook violation of foreign sovereignty for which the Trump administrations principal response appears to be whatever.
Second, it is the epitome of bootstrapping to use the idea of unit self-defense as the basis for sending troops into a foreign country so that a handful of civilian law enforcement officers can exercise authority they wouldnt be able to exercise but for the military support. My friend and former State Department lawyer (and Cardozo law professor) Bec Ingber has written in detail about why the unit self-defense argument is effectively a slippery slope toward all-out war, and shes right. It seems just as important to point out that the U.S. constitutional law argument seems just as limitless. If Article II authorizes the use of military force whenever a foreign national living outside the United States has been indicted in a U.S. court, that could become a pretext for the United States to use military force almost anywherein circumstances that could easily (and quickly) escalate to full-fledged hostilities. Something tells me the Founders, who were deeply wary of military power, would not exactly see this as consistent with what they wroteat least until and unless Congress had done something to authorize, or even acquiesce in, these kinds of distinctly offensive military operations.
Third, and perhaps most importantly, the closest relevant historical precedent for this episodethe U.S. invasion of Panama in December 1989 (Operation Just Cause), which resulted in the deposing and arrest of Manuel Noriegais distinguishable in one critical respect: In the Panama example, the Panamaian general assembly had formally declared a state of war against the United States, and a U.S. Marine had been shot and killed, before President George H.W. Bush authorized the underlying operation. And even then, theres still nothing approaching consensus that Operation Just Cause was actually consistent with U.S. law; Congress passed no statute authorizing hostilities, and it was hard to see how the situation in Panama posed any kind of imminent threat to U.S. territory sufficient to trigger the Presidents Article II powersjust like the Trump administrations narco-trafficking claims seem difficult to reconcile with where fentanyl actually comes from (Mexico) or the Trump administrations own behavior (like pardoning former Honduran president-turned-cocaine-trafficker Juan Orlando Hernández). In other words, the only real precedent for what happened Friday night doesnt provide any legal support for the United States actions.
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,972 posts)You cannot claim that this was a law enforcement action and then refuse to brief the Senate Judiciary Committee
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