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LetMyPeopleVote

(174,972 posts)
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:43 PM Sunday

Rubio: Venezuela strikes 'a law enforcement operation,' not 'invasion'

The trump administration is taking that there was no need to notify congress because this was NOT a military operation but a mere arrest or law enforcement operation

Rubio: Venezuela strikes ‘a law enforcement operation,’ not ‘invasion’

USpolitics 🇺🇸 (@uspol.skyfleet.blue) 2026-01-04T21:33:57.887Z

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5672165-rubio-defends-venezuela-arrest/

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Sunday that the U.S. military activity in Venezuela this weekend did not require congressional approval because it was a law enforcement operation, not a prolonged invasion of a foreign country.

In an interview on ABC News’s “This Week,” Rubio defended the operation against claims that it was illegal.

“It wasn’t necessary because this is not an invasion. We didn’t occupy a country,” Rubio told George Stephanopoulos, when asked why congressional authorization wasn’t necessary.

“This was an arrest operation. This was a law enforcement operation. He was arrested on the ground in Venezuela by FBI agents, read his rights and removed from the country,” Rubio continued.

U.S. forces carried out a stunning operation overnight into Saturday morning to capture and arrest Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife and bring them back to New York to face charges related to drug trafficking, terrorism and firearms. Maduro is in custody at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, N.Y.
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Rubio: Venezuela strikes 'a law enforcement operation,' not 'invasion' (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Sunday OP
No adminstration has sought permission from Congress since... 1942 WarGamer Sunday #1
There were also AUMFs passed in 1991 and 2002 related to Iraq. tritsofme Sunday #12
I've heard reports that at least 40 Venezuelans, including civilians, were killed EarlG Sunday #2
Not brown- (or yellow-)skinned ones, obviously... regnaD kciN Sunday #4
"We didn't occupy a country"... regnaD kciN Sunday #3
I notice how most of the oil companies are taking a very hands off approach Metaphorical Sunday #8
Murdering 50-100 citizens is a "law enforcement operation" according to Rubio/Repugs. RockRaven Sunday #5
RUBIO, YOU PIMP FOR A MULTI-FELON SEX OFFENDER SEDITIONIST Skittles Sunday #6
... and Vietnam was a police action. Eugene Sunday #7
I didn't know the FBI has "jurisdiction" in foreign sovereign countries... Justice matters. Sunday #9
Too bad Rubio and Pammi aren't as interested in enforcing the law in our own country. Diamond_Dog Sunday #10
The US does not enforce law in Venezuela malaise Sunday #11
Maduro and his wife were indicted by a grand jury in NY for violation of US law. Ms. Toad Sunday #15
And I thought that these people said that the US wasn't the policeman of the world?! What hypocrites. tRUMP is SWBTATTReg Sunday #13
Rubio-This was a law enforcement function to capture an indicted drug trafficker LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #14
How the hell does US law apply to other countries? sinkingfeeling Sunday #16
Professor Valdeck's analysis on "arrest"-200. Five Questions About the Maduro Arrest Operation LetMyPeopleVote Monday #17
Notable bipartisan statement from Grassley and Durbin LetMyPeopleVote Monday #18

WarGamer

(18,249 posts)
1. No adminstration has sought permission from Congress since... 1942
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:47 PM
Sunday

Unless you count AUMF of 2001 which CONTINUES in legal force today.

Should have been repealed a decade ago.

tritsofme

(19,797 posts)
12. There were also AUMFs passed in 1991 and 2002 related to Iraq.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:05 PM
Sunday

Surprisingly, they actually got repealed a few weeks ago as part of the NDAA.

EarlG

(23,362 posts)
2. I've heard reports that at least 40 Venezuelans, including civilians, were killed
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:51 PM
Sunday

Imagine if 40 Americans were killed during a "law enforcement operation" inside the United States.

I guess it doesn't matter if we do it to foreigners.

regnaD kciN

(27,468 posts)
4. Not brown- (or yellow-)skinned ones, obviously...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:54 PM
Sunday

Haven’t you been paying attention for the last 100-plus years?

regnaD kciN

(27,468 posts)
3. "We didn't occupy a country"...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:52 PM
Sunday

…but we’re still going to “run” it until we decide it’s ready, which will be after our charitable energy companies have charitably taken over their oil?

Oh, that’s right. It’s our oil that they “stole” by nationalizing their oil fields that belonged to us. How unjust!

Metaphorical

(2,596 posts)
8. I notice how most of the oil companies are taking a very hands off approach
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:03 PM
Sunday

Venezuela has a very large oil reserve, but it's high-sulfur and poor quality crude; Koch could refine it, but with oil prices where they are right now, it's likely taking on a huge investment for comparatively little return. Venezuela's state-owned infrastructure would have to be rebuilt from scratch. What's more, one of the biggest customers for Venezuela is China, which already has contracts in place; I'd not be at all surprised to see the (new) Chinese navy start deploying battleships armed with both heavy guns and drones to "protect" Venezuela and other Chinese oil providers. The Chinese naval commanders are probably chomping at the bit to prove themselves against the Americans. (Oh, and the Chinese have also been building bootleg F-35 fighters that they'd really like to test out.)

RockRaven

(18,726 posts)
5. Murdering 50-100 citizens is a "law enforcement operation" according to Rubio/Repugs.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:59 PM
Sunday

Okay, got it. So long as we are clear on what various words mean when they use them.

Skittles

(169,584 posts)
6. RUBIO, YOU PIMP FOR A MULTI-FELON SEX OFFENDER SEDITIONIST
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:01 PM
Sunday

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT???

Eugene

(66,803 posts)
7. ... and Vietnam was a police action.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:02 PM
Sunday

The Bush 43 Crime Family framed Operation Iraqi Liberation's coalition of the willing as a sheriff's posse under color of international law.

Justice matters.

(9,395 posts)
9. I didn't know the FBI has "jurisdiction" in foreign sovereign countries...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:03 PM
Sunday

If I'm not mistaken, the citizens of Venezuela don't pay any federal taxes to help pay the Federal Bureau of Investigations expenditures...

No questions asked about that?

malaise

(292,826 posts)
11. The US does not enforce law in Venezuela
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:04 PM
Sunday

Eff that shit - it was an invasion, kidnapping and genocide

Ms. Toad

(38,306 posts)
15. Maduro and his wife were indicted by a grand jury in NY for violation of US law.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 09:53 PM
Sunday

Do I think it was legal? No.

But their actions so far are consistent with that story line.

SWBTATTReg

(26,039 posts)
13. And I thought that these people said that the US wasn't the policeman of the world?! What hypocrites. tRUMP is
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:25 PM
Sunday

desperately trying to get the spotlight shined elsewhere other than his failing policies, failed administration, etc.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,972 posts)
17. Professor Valdeck's analysis on "arrest"-200. Five Questions About the Maduro Arrest Operation
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 01:00 PM
Monday

Here is Professor Vladeck's analysis of this "arrest". Under this legal theory, this was NOT a military operation but an arrest by two FBI agents who had to be protected by the military. That is the legal theory for not notifying congress. I agree with Professor Vladeck that this legal theory if pure BS and should not hold up.

"If we hadn’t already, we’ve unquestionably joined the league of ordinary nations—a league in which we’re acting as little more than a bully, and in circumstances in which no obvious principle of self-defense, human rights, or even humantarianism writ large justifies our bellicosity."

Me on Maduro:

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T21:32:42.911Z

https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/200-five-questions-about-the-maduro
Although different administration officials (and supporters) have said different things publicly and on social media throughout the day on Saturday, the basic legal argument appears to be that the military operation was in support of the extraterritorial criminal arrests of the Maduros.

The basis for that argument is the merger of two strands of legal arguments that have long been made by the Department of Justice—but never blessed by the Supreme Court. The first strand traces to a deeply controversial 1989 DOJ Office of Legal Counsel memorandum by then-Assistant Attorney General Bill Barr (yes, the same one), which concluded that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use the FBI for extraterritorial arrests, even in circumstances in which the arrests violate international law (e.g., by infringing upon a foreign nation’s sovereignty). The memo also concluded, quite … usefully, that such arrests don’t violate the Fourth Amendment. The second strand is DOJ’s longstanding view that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use military force to protect federal institutions and officers in the exercise of their federal duties. Thus, in a textbook example of the tail wagging the dog, the military force was merely the means by which President Trump “protected” the handful of FBI personnel who apparently were involved in the actual arrests.

Question #2: Okay, So Why Are Those Arguments Unpersuasive?
Without attempting to be exhaustive, it seems to me that there are at least three things to say about these arguments:

First, note how any reliance upon the Barr Memo is giving up the ghost on the (obvious) violations of Venezuela’s sovereignty—and, thus, the U.N. Charter (to say nothing of myriad other international agreements and precepts of customary international law). There’s no attempt to even try to argue that this operation was consistent with international law—for the obvious reason that … it isn’t. (There had been some suggestion earlier in the day that the Trump administration might try to identify Venezuelan officials who had “invited” the United States to breach Venezuela’s sovereignty, but that … hasn’t gone anywhere.) Thus, unlike the boat strikes, which have all occurred in the legally grayer area of international waters, Friday night’s operation involves a textbook violation of foreign sovereignty for which the Trump administration’s principal response appears to be “whatever.”

Second, it is the epitome of bootstrapping to use the idea of “unit self-defense” as the basis for sending troops into a foreign country so that a handful of civilian law enforcement officers can exercise authority they wouldn’t be able to exercise but for the military support. My friend and former State Department lawyer (and Cardozo law professor) Bec Ingber has written in detail about why the “unit self-defense” argument is effectively a slippery slope toward all-out war, and she’s right. It seems just as important to point out that the U.S. constitutional law argument seems just as limitless. If Article II authorizes the use of military force whenever a foreign national living outside the United States has been indicted in a U.S. court, that could become a pretext for the United States to use military force almost anywhere—in circumstances that could easily (and quickly) escalate to full-fledged hostilities. Something tells me the Founders, who were deeply wary of military power, would not exactly see this as consistent with what they wrote—at least until and unless Congress had done something to authorize, or even acquiesce in, these kinds of distinctly offensive military operations.

Third, and perhaps most importantly, the closest relevant historical precedent for this episode—the U.S. invasion of Panama in December 1989 (Operation “Just Cause”), which resulted in the deposing and arrest of Manuel Noriega—is distinguishable in one critical respect: In the Panama example, the Panamaian general assembly had formally declared a state of war against the United States, and a U.S. Marine had been shot and killed, before President George H.W. Bush authorized the underlying operation. And even then, there’s still nothing approaching consensus that Operation Just Cause was actually consistent with U.S. law; Congress passed no statute authorizing hostilities, and it was hard to see how the situation in Panama posed any kind of imminent threat to U.S. territory sufficient to trigger the President’s Article II powers—just like the Trump administration’s narco-trafficking claims seem difficult to reconcile with where fentanyl actually comes from (Mexico) or the Trump administration’s own behavior (like pardoning former Honduran president-turned-cocaine-trafficker Juan Orlando Hernández). In other words, the only real precedent for what happened Friday night doesn’t provide any legal support for the United States’ actions.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,972 posts)
18. Notable bipartisan statement from Grassley and Durbin
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 08:38 PM
Monday

You cannot claim that this was a law enforcement action and then refuse to brief the Senate Judiciary Committee



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