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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUnjustified Iraq invasion cost U.S. taxpayers $3 trillion and did nothing for the people
Democrats should be asking how much the unjustified Venezuela invasion is going to add to the national debt and why taxpayers should be paying so much for republican disasters.
How about inflation? What did the Venezuela disaster do to reduce inflation?
Where are the Epstein files?
Democrats need to stay on the attack as the giant Wurlitzer tries to sell this criminal attack as some kind of victory for the USA.
malaise
(292,926 posts)That is all
mitch96
(15,663 posts)Key Reason: Claims that Iraq possessed WMDs and supported terrorism were central to the justification for war, but these claims were later proven false.
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malaise
(292,926 posts)Evil rules
MarineCombatEngineer
(17,761 posts)I wholeheartedly disagree, it did something for the Iraqi people, it allowed ISIS to set up shop in Iraq, it made the Iraqi people much worse off than they were.
Other than that, I 100% agree.
Mysterian
(6,179 posts)But lots of bad.
And the criminals who lied us into that war walked free.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,846 posts)Last I heard, they still have to cowardly sneak in unannounced under cover of darkness 20 fucking years later. What, no fucking chocolates and flowers? Chickenshits.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,866 posts)Thats the win. That was the reason we went there. Saddam was our guy right up until he switched to the Euro. They told him not to, he said fuck off, we killed him and destroyed the country. Thats how this goes. Thats how it always goes. We (the taxpayers) foot the bill for the oil companies, they extract the profits for themselves, we never get paid back.
Venezuela will capitulate and cut off the BRICS nations or they will suffer the same fate.
Thats all this is about.
H2O Man
(78,654 posts)and extremely important. Thank you for this!
malaise
(292,926 posts)Rec
H2O Man
(78,654 posts)a lot of people, too. Just my opinion, but I don't think that enricking Dick Cheney & friends was a wise investment in human life or economics.
Recommended.
EX500rider
(12,189 posts)Do you mean the raid to capture Maduro?
US troops were in the country for 3.5 hrs, I don't think that will total trillions....
Mysterian
(6,179 posts)And the invasion began with the deployment of a fleet and attacks on watercraft and ground facilities months ago.
Please try to keep up. Is it naivete or something else?
EX500rider
(12,189 posts)And the Naval vessels/crew would have cost about the same where ever they were, the sailors get paid off Venz the same as anywhere else.
Mysterian
(6,179 posts)See ya later, alligator.
EX500rider
(12,189 posts)US supplies/troops to Iraq from the US is 7,000+ miles, Venz. is 2,000 or so.
Also Venz. does not have a Sunni/Shiite split like Iraq does, that's what drove most the violence there.
And Venz. does not have the neighbors Iraq did ready to feed $ & weapons to insurgents, Iran etc.
Mysterian
(6,179 posts)"After while, crocodile." Not post meaningless, apparently ill-informed speculation.
Are you not aware of U.S. military bases, stockpiles, depots in Europe, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. prior to the invasion of Iraq? Wow. It seems you are being willfully ignorant in an ineffective attempt to support your argument.
EX500rider
(12,189 posts)Plus the difference between occupying a Muslim country with mostly Christian troops versus Catholic Venezuela would be a big difference, plus Latinos aren't so keen to strap on bomb vests and blow themselves up at checkpoints Etc
Mysterian
(6,179 posts)The U.S. had ammunition/materiel depots in Europe to fight WWIII that were never depleted by the Iraq clusterfuck. You don't have a clue about military operations and logistics. Your use of the term "forward supply base" proves this.
EX500rider
(12,189 posts)...if you want to be pedantic you could say:
Army Prepositioned Stocks (APS)
Maritime Prepositioning Force (MPF)
War Reserves for Allies (WRSA-I)
But makes no difference if the supplies come from there or straight from the US.
A. Supplies ship from US to Iraq
B. Supplies ship from fwd supply base to Iraq, then replacement supplies ship from the US to the fwd supply base to restock.
Either way 7,000+ mile route to Iraq, even further to Afghanistan where everything came by air, we had many daily cargo planes landing at Kandahar Airfield (KAF) when I was there in 2005.
EX500rider
(12,189 posts)Since we had the equivalent of 10 to 17 divisions of troops in Iraq for over a decade that was not going to be enough LOL
AZProgressive
(29,854 posts)He brutally suppressed protests and discriminated against the Sunni population which helped recruiting for Al-Qaeda in Iraq which later rebranded as ISIS. Iran likely supplied the Iran backed Shia militias with weapons but it was more likely Saudi Arabia or whoever that aligns with Wahabbis that supplied the Wahabbi terror group with at least funding if not weapons. The Iran backed militias were the main ones fighting ISIS in Iraq. Your point on that still stands, just adding minor clarifications.
As far as SouthAmerica there has always been a divide since World War 2 between the left and right and most of those were proxy wars for the US & Russia(Soviet Union at the time). Now that a lot of the leftist governments in South America don't have a super power backing them they are more vulnerable but there is still a possibility of revolt if the US friendly government brutally suppresses the local population in Venezuela.
US is now threatening other governments in South & Central America including Mexico. Outside of them he is even threatening Greenland. It is still too early to tell what the long term consequences of all that will be.