even talking about?

Confused her with some else I guess.

Clinton said that during an interview regarding the killing of Muammar Gaddafi back when she was Secretary of State.

say it on CBS, mentioning it seems an attempt to distract from current realities.

And completely irrelevant to Venezuela.

As irrelevant as it is and as dumb as Stein is for bringing it up, Clinton still indisputably said it.

Whether Clinton once said it about a completely different situation over 10 years ago is completely irrelevant to Venezuela.

you keep posting that she once said it, despite it being completely irrelevant.

I've acknowledged its irrelevance to the Venezuela situation and, furthermore, that Stein is an idiot for bringing it up. If I weren't doing those things you might have a point. But I have done those things, so you don't have a point. You're acting as if I'm not providing context for the remark when the reverse is true.

I'm not criticizing Clinton for making the remark. I am, however, acknowledging that she said it because that's reality.

Anything Clinton said on any subject over 10 years ago is irrelevant to Venezuela. There is absolutely no need to “acknowledge that she said it” because it’s irrelevant and just a backhanded way to justify Stein bringing it up.

That's some gold medal mental gymnastics on your part.

It is completely irrelevant.

I see you Jilly...doesn't even make sense to blame current day trump BS on someone who hasn't been in government for years...the buck stops with trump and his goons like you...

what you helped give us instead.

Asshole.

Because if she didn't, it's irrelevant.

It was pretty jarring, not her best moment.

But it’s still irrelevant in regard to Venezuela

Obama said the failure to prepare for the aftermath of the intervention in Libya was the "worst mistake" of his presidency.

She’s hasn’t worked in government for over 10 years. It’s irrelevant to Venezuela. Clinton just lives rent free in some people’s heads.

Comey's illegitimate actions changed the course of history.

"we need to look forward"

yeah, we see where that got us

But it is of course, a mere irrelevancy and lacking in any real merit

Edited to add: that was what a stranger on the street said to him while assaulting him in 1986.

It was hugely in the news October 20, 2011.

Just Jilly's attempt to distract from Trump's actions. Putin loving moron.

I thought she was under her rock until 2028 when she magically becomes qualified for President again.

And she can slither back to her bitcoin account for her Putin Payola.

Rotten human being.

...some still make excuses for her and those like her. SMH

Quieter at DU for a reason.

I'm in the intolerant left, my cruelty is the point Democratic Club.

The nice, let's come together and let bygones be bygones club? That's down the hall.

Jill Stein is trying to burnish her anti-imperialist credentials by attacking what a Democrat said long ago in a different situation

Has this piece of shit ever criticized Putin over Ukraine ?

And make things more fascist.

I think technically I am that and I dislike Jill Stein, Putin and for that matter I am not a huge Chomsky fan, though I appreciate Nathan Robinson and Current Affairs (though they do bash democrats). It is why I rarely post their articles here. Still they are well worth reading imo for reasons unconnected with electoral politics.

Chomsky’s ties to the Epstein Files and his response when asked about it made me think of how some of his ways have always grated on me.

Whether it is the far left, liberals or even Republicans sometimes, the world is not that non nuanced nor are people that boxed up.

I am generally “far left”. But I also agree with a lot of the critiques of left messaging. I saw a debate between three people all of whom I respect and like: Briahna Joy Gray, Matt Stoller and Alec Karakatsanis. It was filled with rancor, but they are all decent and on the same side
Many people may disagree with them but there is no indication that any of them are Putin’s puppets. Though Edward Snowden probably was and his whole drama never impressed me.

You can disagree with people without it being as reductive as that. The far left does it. The right does it and liberals do it. I think it has more to do with the internet version of Crossfire having become the predominant mode of debate.

I respect board rules so I don’t post more lefty stuff like Yasha Levine’s or CA here.

But while I agree on Jill Stein (never liked her and don’t buy her), I don’t think the human brain processes the world that way when not focused on explicit, boots on the ground electoral politics.

I am not even American. But America has affected my life and wallet a bunch and my slender networks are partly there, so I do follow your politics. My views of course are mostly tied to the effect tech and politics and political discourse have on the human brain.

Fuck you!

conveniently leaving out NATO.

Hillary wanted to be tough on terrorists. Her big sin. She was mean to the "freedom fighters" who hate the West like Jill Stein types. Which side are you on, indeed.

AKA failure to plan for the day after.

How many nations supported Shrubs illegal murderous clusterfuck?

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Obama:

"And yet, as much as I shared the impulse to save innocent people from tyrants, I was profoundly wary of ordering any kind of military action against Libya ... . And yet, as reports of hospitals filling up with gruesome injuries and young people being unceremoniously executed on the streets continued to trickle out of Libya, support around the world for intervention gathered steam. To the surprise of many, the Arab League voted for intervention against Gaddafi -- a sign not only of how extreme the levels of violence in Libya had become but also of the extent to which the Libyan strongman's erratic behavior and meddling in the affairs of other countries had isolated him from his fellow Arab leaders."

"Twelve days into the mission, NATO took command of the mission, with several European countries taking responsibility for repelling Gaddafi's forces. By the time I addressed the nation on March 28, the U.S. military had begun to move into a supporting role, primarily helping with logistics, refueling aircraft, and identifying targets"

that's given us Trump...TWICE. Fuck Stein, fuck Trump, and fuck every asshole who's ever voted for either of em.

Seeing Stein's name makes me feel sad and angry because she ultimately helped Trump win.

Imagine: we would never have had the extreme far-right supreme court.

COVID-19 deaths would have been way less with less economic fallout. We would have had less inflation. Less national debt. Ukraine may have never been invaded. China would have been better contained.

We would have had more affordable education, cost of living would be better, better wages for ordinary people.

People would I really believe be so much happier because we didn't all spend 10+ years of our lives worrying. The odd thing I sometimes talk about how I was a Trump supporter during his first term (I deeply regret this) but actually my life at the time wasn't so good. I felt stressed and unhappy a lot then and even if I didn't know it at the time I think I would have felt better if Hillary were president despite my views. But maybe I never would have ended up the way I am now so I guess sadly only for my personal benefit I'm glad I'm here but for everyone else I'm deeply sorry.

…in your Ruskie hole in the ground, Jill