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drray23

(8,633 posts)
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:10 PM Jan 7

Wtf. So far all I have heard on msnow

Are guests who are apologists for ICE. Not a single one concerned about the victim who , by the way was a US citizen.
They are all saying, we need to investigate, not come to conclusions, give ICE the benefit of the doubt.
We truly are living in a fascist nightmare.

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Scrivener7

(58,842 posts)
10. Anyone who gives ICE the benefit of the doubt is either a moron or a member of ICE. Either way, an asshole.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:02 PM
Jan 7

underpants

(195,524 posts)
11. This guy was chomping at the bit.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:31 PM
Jan 7

We’ll never know but she might not have known he was there. The first two then three ICE goons got out of a pickup behind her - out her window. She backed up so the murderer had to have advanced on her. He just immediately drew his weapon and THEN FIRED. He fired 3 rounds on a residential street.

Unbelievable

Scrivener7

(58,842 posts)
12. Problem is, they're all chomping at the bit. Gravy seals who finally have a chance to wear their costumes
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:34 PM
Jan 7

and carry their guns somewhere other than Starbucks and the grocery store. And feel like something other than the loser creeps they are.

underpants

(195,524 posts)
14. They know they have complete cover.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:11 PM
Jan 7

No one knows who they are
I don’t think there’s an public record of who they are
There’s not record of the people kidnapped (hello Boy Scouts and Church)
They are fueled by financial incentives as are their bosses.
Any internal reviews are a joke.

This is a mess.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,914 posts)
2. Yeah well, they're corporate "news."
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:13 PM
Jan 7

At some point we’re going to have to understand that we’re on our own and act accordingly.

flvegan

(65,957 posts)
3. MSNOW isn't your friend. Just because Rachel Maddow
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:15 PM
Jan 7

calls that place home, contractually btw, doesn't make them any better.

The sooner everyone shuts that shit off, the better.

RockRaven

(18,920 posts)
6. When people show you who they are, believe them. Like, as soon as you see.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:32 PM
Jan 7

At the latest, Ronan Farrow's "Catch and Kill" stuff should have done it for NBCNews/MSNBC, they were full mask off at that point, and that was 2018 or so.

GusBob

(8,188 posts)
7. You still waste your time watching that shit?
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:35 PM
Jan 7

These are the folks who prattled for months on about all them (non existant) WMDs in Iraq

They lie for a living. Deaths give them gloating news

Grim Chieftain

(1,405 posts)
8. Thank you! My husband and I noticed the same.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 03:39 PM
Jan 7

And I trust Katy Tur's coverage as far as I could throw both her and her MAGA husband.

allegorical oracle

(6,322 posts)
13. Did you get the names of the apologists? Have been listening while I do artwork all
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:07 PM
Jan 7

afternoon and must have missed those interviews. The closest to apologetic that I heard were comments that more information will be emerging -- but the video clearly showed the ICE officer trying to open the victim's car door and guests commented on how she must've been so terrified.

Neither Gov. Walz nor the Minneapolis mayor seemed to be pro-ICE from what I heard. Both Katy Tur and Nicolle Wallace had first-hand witnesses on their shows who were very upset at ICE. Eddie Glaude and Jacob Soboroff analyzed the video -- and were very outraged at how abusive ICE is becoming ...echoing what the Minneapolis mayor said.

An older video of Tom Homan predicting that somebody was going to be killed was aired and soundly criticized.

Other witnesses explained to the reporter on location how the observers had been blowing whistles to warn the neighborhood when ICE showed up this morning. People are being shown arriving to the scene to place flowers where the young woman died.

Am not doubting your viewpoint, just wondering how I missed it (for the sake of my sanity).

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