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spooky3

(38,514 posts) Wed Jan 7, 2026, 04:32 PM Jan 7

During Rachel Maddow's special, Prof. Timothy Snyder

Said he feared that the country would split apart (eg, blue states v red states). Anyone else agree?

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During Rachel Maddow's special, Prof. Timothy Snyder (Original Post) spooky3 Jan 7 OP

How can we get this to happen? Freddie Jan 7 #1

If blue state governors are not very quietly rzemanfl Jan 7 #3

I think we care one step closer to it. IzzaNuDay Jan 7 #2

One factor he suggested IIRC was that blue states essentially financially subsidize spooky3 Jan 7 #5

We are in the midst of a Civil War. Irish_Dem Jan 7 #4

And Putin and Trump canetoad Jan 7 #10

Yes they want Europe to break up and NATO. Irish_Dem Jan 7 #11

more like balkanization rampartd Jan 7 #6

An interesting point--because that is the real divide spooky3 Jan 7 #8

I trust his perspective PatSeg Jan 7 #7

Right now, I'd vote for Michigan joining Canada. multigraincracker Jan 7 #9

Washington, Oregon, California are likely IzzaNuDay Jan 7 #12

Freddie

(10,090 posts)

1. How can we get this to happen?

Reply to spooky3 (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 04:35 PM

Jan 7

Maybe the ICE murder was the tipping point.

rzemanfl

(31,309 posts)

3. If blue state governors are not very quietly

Reply to Freddie (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:02 PM

Jan 7

discussing secession, I'd be very surprised.

IzzaNuDay

(1,277 posts)

2. I think we care one step closer to it.

Reply to spooky3 (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 04:37 PM

Jan 7

We were fragmented for the last 9 years. Nah, let’s rewind to 2008 starting with the Tea Party. And the birtherism, the racism, the callousness, the greed. What would be the breaking point?

spooky3

(38,514 posts)

5. One factor he suggested IIRC was that blue states essentially financially subsidize

Reply to IzzaNuDay (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:13 PM

Jan 7

Red states, generally speaking. At some point citizens may get sick of this, on top of everything else.

Irish_Dem

(80,761 posts)

4. We are in the midst of a Civil War.

Reply to spooky3 (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:04 PM

Jan 7

Putin and China want the US to break up.

canetoad

(20,613 posts)

10. And Putin and Trump

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:55 PM

Jan 7

Want NATO to break up. Hard times.

Irish_Dem

(80,761 posts)

11. Yes they want Europe to break up and NATO.

Reply to canetoad (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:24 PM

Jan 7

And all the democratic countries no longer to be aligned

rampartd

(4,476 posts)

6. more like balkanization

Reply to spooky3 (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:16 PM

Jan 7

at least 6 warring blocs, and not neatly divided by state lines.

civil war 2 will be cities vs countryside

spooky3

(38,514 posts)

8. An interesting point--because that is the real divide

Reply to rampartd (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:22 PM

Jan 7

PatSeg

(53,004 posts)

7. I trust his perspective

Reply to spooky3 (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:16 PM

Jan 7

If Snyder sees us splitting apart, it is a reasonable possibility.

multigraincracker

(37,366 posts)

9. Right now, I'd vote for Michigan joining Canada.

Reply to spooky3 (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 05:39 PM

Jan 7

IzzaNuDay

(1,277 posts)

12. Washington, Oregon, California are likely

Reply to multigraincracker (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 7, 2026, 07:25 PM

Jan 7

“Cascadia”.

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