Maybe the ICE murder was the tipping point.

discussing secession, I'd be very surprised.

We were fragmented for the last 9 years. Nah, let’s rewind to 2008 starting with the Tea Party. And the birtherism, the racism, the callousness, the greed. What would be the breaking point?

Red states, generally speaking. At some point citizens may get sick of this, on top of everything else.

Putin and China want the US to break up.

Want NATO to break up. Hard times.

And all the democratic countries no longer to be aligned

at least 6 warring blocs, and not neatly divided by state lines.

civil war 2 will be cities vs countryside

If Snyder sees us splitting apart, it is a reasonable possibility.

“Cascadia”.