everyone on du has clean hands.

I mean that.

every fucking politician that voted for anything he wanted and the US government for allowing

DON"T you dare try to blame it on the people who voted.

People need to get a grip. This is too an important a time to waste energy.

or voted third party as a protest?

to support Israel in their genocide against Gaza they would not vote for her, as is every Americans right. The same Arab Americans who helped Biden win in 2020 but by mid term were pulling away from Biden because of US support of Israel's war on Gaza She took the gamble and lost.

But yeah take the blame of the fucking pieces of shit and put it where it doesn't belong.

triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” or vote third party.

Anyone who didn’t vote for Harris to stop Trump is responsible.

I believe she was ill advised.

Than any democrat. Applying a purity test to Harris only benefited Trump.

They made a choice that every American has every right make when they can not in good conscience vote for any politician. I begrudge no one abiding by their own conscience for moral reasons.

I also know whose hands the blood belong and it sure as the fuck isn't Americans warn them were ignored and made the choice to not for for people who supported the ban slaughtering their families.

and should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

Lest you forget Garland who finally admitted he should have moved things a little faster I will add him also.

Enjoy deflecting blame and sowing division I'm done. Have a nice time.

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They had a choice to stop Trump or not. They chose not to. I’m not deflecting blame. They all have a share of responsibility.

And I never thought that supporting democrats on a website dedicated to supporting democrats sows division. .

but I'm not wasting my time.

But if Palestine was the reason in 24, what was the reason in 16. What was in 2000? There always seems to be a purity test used to demonize democrats.

And should take responsibility for their actions and consequences.

Far easier to blame the people who couldn't stomach the slaughter, I guess. I also guess that the deflection and blame-shiting helps to ease the conscience somewhat. Looking in the mirror is sometimes hard.

Everyone who didn't support Harris, Biden and Clinton which includes Trump voters. Why are you focusing on one group? And are things better for Palestinians now under Trump? What about for immigrants?

And what was the reason for not supporting Clinton in 16?

OK Here are some more. Was it worth the life of Renee Nicole Good for some to make a protest vote against a policy that Harris as Vice President had no control over? Was it worth the disruption of the lives of all the people targeted by ICE over the last year? Have thing gotten better or worse for Palestinians in Gaza as a result of their protest votes? Why is it so objectionable for support democrats on a site dedicated to supporting democrats?

Bye.

I do not understand why you are always bringing up old stuff and how you get by with it

It’s supposed to be against the rules to harp on past primaries because it divides us and costs us democratic support

I haven’t brought up a past primary. I’m referring to elections where democrats ran against Trump, a republican.

And do you really think it’s divisive to advocate support for democrats against republicans? Why is regretting that democrats lost two elections to Trump offensive?

An intelligent , compassionate woman of color.
You'd get no damn chance with trump!

Those who stayed home, or oy voted only State and local were little wheels in the bigger machinery that gave drumphf his victory.

Gaza as we once knew it is gone forever and those that once lived there are now doomed to be forever-refugees.

The ill advised people are those that attacked Kamala from the left, thinking they were somehow helping the Palestinian people...

...how fucking dumb they were.

Republicans thank them for their service.

They couldn't have done it without them -- literally.

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Did they think Harris had to go work at the Hot Wing & Burger Barn and be poor and miserable, that she only ran for president for personal gain, like Trump?

It's like taking yourself hostage and then shooting yourself when your demands can't be met. Or they have been met as far as they can but you don't really trust them or find another excuse and shoot yourself.

But if you're registered to vote, voting in a two party system is like having a choice between which person you choose to drive you the long way home late at night.
In 2024, the choice was a flashy car driven by the glad-handing, lying drunk, or a boring reliable car driven by someone sober with FM radio on a channel you might not like.
If you voted third party or decided to stay home, you still didn't choose the sober driver.
You ended up with the glad-handing drunk.
And that's the problem with a bicameral, winner takes all system instead of a parliamentary system.

Don’t know what their reasons were some may have been ill but not all.

The last time this country had enough third party influence to change politics was in the 1850's.
Unless there's a huge fragmentation in both political parties rather than a consolidation of money and lobbyist propaganda in both parties, we aren't going to be looking at anything close to coalition governments and a better representation of the general public.
Ya, the problem with US politics is the prevalence of Money for money's sake and the Calvinist Prosperity Gospel that goes along with that.

If so, FUCK THEM.

who didn’t support Harris, Biden and Clinton. That could be republicans who voted for Trump as well as Stein voters. Yet someone was triggered and incorrectly assumed I was only referring to third party voters.

So...it's on the Electoral College I guess

Unforgivable.

Imagine of some got off their high horses to come out and vote for Harris and other democrats.

triggered some. Shouldn’t be controversial at all.

Because whenever a moment like this one comes, where we are united across the board on an issue, someone gets bored and decides, "Wouldn't it be fun if I threw a bomb to get people arguing with each other? Wheee!"

It's unserious.

on a site dedicated to supporting democrats is throwing a bomb?

And my post said anyone which would include those who voted for Trump. So a comment about Trump voters being responsible is objectionable?

I'm genuinely curious. That there is somewhere in life where people who start drama and then do the "Who, me?!" routine find it effective.

Outside of reality shows.

And even there, the audience is wise to it.

I’m just being honest. What is so objectionable about supporting democrats? Why should there be any drama making a statement supporting democrats in a forum for supporting democrats?

My OP said

Well, that's that then.

Anyway. Television doesn't watch itself. Important work to be done.

🙂

Those wanting to primary, replace, take over the party are "the base."

Those are the rules here in Opposite World. It's nutty!

that advocating support for democrats who ran against Trump would be considered by some divisive. What is the point of this site if not to support democrats?

Seems like a broad brush stretch to Judge anyone who did not vote as a murderer. We live with results of elections. This statement smells like what pukes say to divide us.

You find that objectionable?

They do all they can to ensure that DOESN'T happen.

I read he and his wife now have French citizenship.

It wasn't in Hillary's or Kamala's platform, either. Ergo, I.C.E. is bipartisan, innit?

Progressives, the DSA and the WFP did call for it at various times, but were rebuffed.

And ICE could have been abolished and it would have just been brought back when Republicans were allowed to have full control of our federal government, in part, by some of those on the left that refused to support damn good Democrats that were CLEARLY the better option with Trump on the ballot.

Do you think any democrat would have deployed as aggressively as Trump?
Is there no difference between Trump and any democrat?

Last summer 75 House Democrats voted to praise and "express gratitude" for ICE (HRes488)

Are any of them regretting THEIR vote?

But this all goes back to Trump getting elected

Why is regretting that objectionable?

FoxNews would have had to do lots of cooking, together with a couple fortuitous media acquisitions among other "providers" (which have actually happened since most of the aforementioned Democratic Presidential contenders) to tell the voting public what it thinks. Big money donors probably would have had to work their politicians. But yeah, I can see a situation where it "coulda." Sure, didn't happen to a white mom then, but it was possible. Allowing an armed group that kind of autonomy was bound to find this result.

BTW, I remember Democrats who supported the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Vietnam too, for that matter. LBJ appointed Hoover director of the FBI for life. It's not just Republicans. All kinds of nefarious shit can be laid at the feet of all two parties. Most recently Fetterman just came out supporting the acquisition of Greenland.*

One needs to be selective if one chooses to vote (or not). But mostly a blame game is worthless. What happened happened, it is what it is. Now what? Will the next Democrat eliminate I.C.E.? Will "blue voters" even think to demand it?
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*see: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220920551

such as Biden or Harris would have deployed ICE like this?

declining to answer a question about funding in a hypothetical future congress is not the same thing as deployment.

Do you think there is any difference between democrats and Republicans?

And they’re gloating over this murder.