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no_hypocrisy

(54,988 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:40 AM Jan 2026

Why did ICE shoot her?

Why didn’t he shoot out the tires?

Why did he aim at and shoot her face?

Why did he have to shoot, period?

The Police would have pulled her over or radioed an APB.

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Why did ICE shoot her? (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Jan 2026 OP
Why did he aim at and shoot her face? malaise Jan 2026 #1
You made my point. no_hypocrisy Jan 2026 #2
If one decides to shoot, you shoot to kill Kaleva Jan 2026 #9
Actually it didn't appear that they had any reasonable justification... Wuddles440 Jan 2026 #46
The regime's point is the bigger point malaise Jan 2026 #10
None whatsoever malaise Jan 2026 #50
None at all PatSeg Jan 2026 #53
Absofuckingloutely! Rapist mentality! SheltieLover Jan 2026 #11
Because he could COL Mustard Jan 2026 #24
Three Shots Mr.Bee Jan 2026 #48
Three shots to her face malaise Jan 2026 #56
"The Police would have pulled her over or radioed an APB." lol not necessarily WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2026 #3
Because in their Bettie Jan 2026 #4
The culture of toxic masculinity prevails in ICE. John1956PA Jan 2026 #8
Does he work for ICE? gab13by13 Jan 2026 #29
From the video, I did not get a good view of the attire of the male who pulled the door handle and shouted the f-word. John1956PA Jan 2026 #33
Their culture has always been toxic masculinity. I'm going back over 40 years CanonRay Jan 2026 #55
Exactly. This guy was chomping at the bit. underpants Jan 2026 #34
To stop her speech? Tim S Jan 2026 #5
The agent who shot was at the front of the vehicle Kaleva Jan 2026 #12
Sending a message - creating fear in the public for power and control bucolic_frolic Jan 2026 #6
Because they are untrained goons. frogstar0 Jan 2026 #7
Bingo Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2026 #43
Yes, Kristi is at fault Johonny Jan 2026 #49
Probably all the police rejects PatSeg Jan 2026 #54
Mall cop rejects! frogstar0 Jan 2026 #62
Brings to mind a "mall cop" PatSeg Jan 2026 #64
They think it's a war and Americans are the enemy out to kill them. betsuni Jan 2026 #13
They're right. Now, it is a war. This murder changed everything. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #26
Because they can, and because they enjoy it. hatrack Jan 2026 #14
And, we are done here. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jan 2026 #19
Why wasn't the murderer arrested? Emile Jan 2026 #15
Goons with guns and no brain. Dave Bowman Jan 2026 #16
I hope drug testing is mandatory AnnaLee Jan 2026 #17
Shooting out tires is a Hollywood thing EdmondDantes_ Jan 2026 #18
My guess... Mike Nelson Jan 2026 #20
This speculation is harmful. yardwork Jan 2026 #58
Except it has been said she came from dropping her kid off. usedtobedemgurl Jan 2026 #61
I thought she was... Mike Nelson Jan 2026 #63
I wouldn't be surprised if they yelled "move your car" at her as well as told her to "get out of the car" leading to RoeVWade Jan 2026 #21
They shot her because they are improperly trained goons who signed up because their only proof of manhood Vinca Jan 2026 #22
And perhaps a COL Mustard Jan 2026 #28
I think I read somewhere they upped it to $70,000. Maybe we should all sign up, cash the checks, then stand Vinca Jan 2026 #45
And why did he position himself in front of the car? surfered Jan 2026 #23
No common sense too. Aren't we all aware of a car in a parking lot MIGHT back up without looking! underpants Jan 2026 #35
BECAUSE THEY CAN Martin Eden Jan 2026 #25
We're any of them wearing body cams? Katinfl Jan 2026 #27
Duh.... ReRe Jan 2026 #30
At the time that he fired, he was clearly not in any danger. He was at the side of the car. everyonematters Jan 2026 #31
Many of these so-called ice agents have not been trained. He had a gun, and he's itching to use it. ashredux Jan 2026 #32
Because they could. Turbineguy Jan 2026 #36
Why? GiqueCee Jan 2026 #37
Perhaps, like Trump, they hate the majority of Americans. CaptainTruth Jan 2026 #38
This woman was shot in the face for the same reason Kristi Noem shot her dog Cricket in the face: . sop Jan 2026 #39
Because they are so desperate for new agents that they'll hire anybody with a pulse, Ocelot II Jan 2026 #40
He shot her because he could. Texin Jan 2026 #41
He was "just following orders" is the traditional reply. Ping Tung Jan 2026 #42
Because . . . AverageOldGuy Jan 2026 #44
With the fact Abstractartist Jan 2026 #47
I found a little more this morning Linda ladeewolf Jan 2026 #51
I fear this moron won't be prosecuted, and this shyte will go on and get worse. D. Spaulding Jan 2026 #52
Immediately before the tragedy, the shooter was apparently video recording with his phone. John1956PA Jan 2026 #57
Because they want martial law Clouds Passing Jan 2026 #59
Because that guy has been dreaming about doing something like that since he was Scrivener7 Jan 2026 #60

malaise

(296,475 posts)
1. Why did he aim at and shoot her face?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:44 AM
Jan 2026

To kill her

He murdered her in cold blood

That is all

Kaleva

(40,372 posts)
9. If one decides to shoot, you shoot to kill
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:07 AM
Jan 2026

IMO, the agent didn’t have justification to use deadly force as videos show he was able to move out of the way.

Wuddles440

(2,095 posts)
46. Actually it didn't appear that they had any reasonable justification...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:18 AM
Jan 2026

for even existing their vehicle and approaching hers, as they could have easily drive around her on the left side of the street.

malaise

(296,475 posts)
10. The regime's point is the bigger point
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:08 AM
Jan 2026

Kill protesters

This will backfire spectacularly

PatSeg

(53,216 posts)
53. None at all
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:38 AM
Jan 2026

Sounds like a trigger-happy jerk who was just looking for a reason to use his gun. As you'd said, real police would have shot at her tires if they used their guns at all, as there seemed to be no valid reason to stop her. A trained cop probably would have just waved her on.

Bettie

(19,750 posts)
4. Because in their
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:51 AM
Jan 2026

Training, they were taught that they can do anything they want to. They were hired for their lack of any sense of morality or humanity. This guy is probably happy about his first murder, especially since he will probably face no consequences and be able to do it again and again.

John1956PA

(4,981 posts)
8. The culture of toxic masculinity prevails in ICE.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:06 AM
Jan 2026

The agent who stormed her car, grabbed the door handle, and shouted, "Get out of the f****** car!" is another example.

John1956PA

(4,981 posts)
33. From the video, I did not get a good view of the attire of the male who pulled the door handle and shouted the f-word.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:38 AM
Jan 2026

As for the male who was the shooter, the later view of him in the video reveals that his jacket bears wording on the front and back. In large letters is the word 'POLICE." In smaller letters below there are the words "FEDERAL AGENT."

CanonRay

(16,187 posts)
55. Their culture has always been toxic masculinity. I'm going back over 40 years
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:43 AM
Jan 2026

I was at FLETC in 84. They called themselves "Mean Green" on base. Their uniforms were green, every other agency was blue. Very militaristic.

Tim S

(246 posts)
5. To stop her speech?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:58 AM
Jan 2026

THIS IS JUST A GUESS but since the driver’s window was rolled down, maybe she said something to an ICE agent that inflamed him to such an extent that his response was to shoot to end it?? Could this tragedy be an untrained, infantile response from an ignorant hothead who couldn’t form a coherent verbal response?

bucolic_frolic

(55,286 posts)
6. Sending a message - creating fear in the public for power and control
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:00 AM
Jan 2026

Demoralize any resistance with violence and fear. Countless rulers in history have used thuggery to control populations.

If Trump can pardon criminals, I wonder if a potential future Democratic president could revoke immunity laws from their inception.

frogstar0

(257 posts)
7. Because they are untrained goons.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:03 AM
Jan 2026

They are hiring the worst kind of people. People who want power, status they thing those uppity...fill in the blank... Have stolen from them. Then they give them a gun and little or no real training. And the 'warrior' mindset is promoted. This is by design. They want conflict, violence so the can have their white nationalist dictatorship.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,984 posts)
43. Bingo
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:07 AM
Jan 2026

Ice has always come off as unprofessional thugs. Real police are taught to de-escalate.

Johonny

(26,260 posts)
49. Yes, Kristi is at fault
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:27 AM
Jan 2026

Her people don't have the correct training, despite billions spent.

PatSeg

(53,216 posts)
54. Probably all the police rejects
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:43 AM
Jan 2026

The ones who couldn't qualify for any decent police force.

PatSeg

(53,216 posts)
64. Brings to mind a "mall cop"
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:37 PM
Jan 2026

I knew many years ago. He couldn't wait to become a policeman and once he was accepted, he only lasted six months due to his excessively aggressive behavior. Some of these guys watch too many TV cop shows and believe that is reality.

AnnaLee

(1,395 posts)
17. I hope drug testing is mandatory
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:45 AM
Jan 2026

Drug testing on the ICE shooter, including steroids, should be done immediately when they act without reason.

EdmondDantes_

(1,837 posts)
18. Shooting out tires is a Hollywood thing
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:46 AM
Jan 2026

That said, he had no legally justifiable reason to shoot. If Noem's claim that he got run over by a protester's car before is true, maybe he had PTSD and fired because of that. Which would mean he shouldn't have been in the field. Of course Noem isn't a trustworthy source so that's probably not true, and can't be verified because we have no idea who he is.

Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
20. My guess...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:52 AM
Jan 2026

... is that she did something to upset that group of ICE officers earlier in the protest. When she decided to leave, they followed her. Lastly, she probably shouted vulgarities at them as she was leaving. This just tipped the shooter "over the edge," and he shot. It's surprising, to me, that it reached that point. When society entrusts you with a gun, you can't shoot everyone that "ticks you off"... no matter what they say... and most of what they do... From boats in the ocean to protesters, we seem to have a lower standard. I echo the Mayor and Governor - please be on guard, DU protesters. They want more chaos... stay safe.

yardwork

(69,391 posts)
58. This speculation is harmful.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:13 AM
Jan 2026

We have no evidence that she said or did anything to antagonize the shooter. Speculating that she did creates false information that gets picked up and spread. It will be used to excuse the murder.

usedtobedemgurl

(2,053 posts)
61. Except it has been said she came from dropping her kid off.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:02 PM
Jan 2026

I forget if it was school or daycare.

Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
63. I thought she was...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:31 PM
Jan 2026

... a protester. Maybe she was also picking up her child, or only there to pick up her child... it makes no difference. There is no way she should have been killed. This reminds me of the MAGA question "Why don't we just shoot them?" and, later, command, "Just shoot them." A boat... a protestor... I think that may be the new normal. This officer either won't be charged, or will be pardoned. No consequences... Just shoot them.

RoeVWade

(900 posts)
21. I wouldn't be surprised if they yelled "move your car" at her as well as told her to "get out of the car" leading to
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:57 AM
Jan 2026

absolute confusion.

Vinca

(54,053 posts)
22. They shot her because they are improperly trained goons who signed up because their only proof of manhood
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:02 AM
Jan 2026

is having a gun in their hand. The guns didn't have to be fired at all in this instance. Get her plate number and have her stopped if that's their goal.

Vinca

(54,053 posts)
45. I think I read somewhere they upped it to $70,000. Maybe we should all sign up, cash the checks, then stand
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:09 AM
Jan 2026

around in our Fallujah-combat attire and pick out noses. The training must be a snap. It's half the amount of time I spent going through a police academy program in the 1980's to be on a small, local department.

surfered

(13,595 posts)
23. And why did he position himself in front of the car?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:15 AM
Jan 2026

Last edited Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)

New hire, no experience, poor training, previous job was living off his mother, in her basement, watching Fox all day.

underpants

(196,655 posts)
35. No common sense too. Aren't we all aware of a car in a parking lot MIGHT back up without looking!
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:46 AM
Jan 2026

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Martin Eden

(15,662 posts)
25. BECAUSE THEY CAN
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:25 AM
Jan 2026

Because a fascist regime uses brutality and intimidation to repress opposition.

Because decades of racist propaganda and fearmongering has groomed a large segement of our population to elect and support a demented sociopath to the highest office in our country.

Because a subculture of toxic masculinity has produced plenty of volunteers to use their 2A joysticks against himan beings they've been programmed to hate.

Because the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower has been transformed into a corrupt tool of oligarchs and fascists who never have enough wealth, power, and entitlement.

everyonematters

(4,176 posts)
31. At the time that he fired, he was clearly not in any danger. He was at the side of the car.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:34 AM
Jan 2026

He stepped out of the way from the front of the car and then fired.

ashredux

(2,935 posts)
32. Many of these so-called ice agents have not been trained. He had a gun, and he's itching to use it.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:37 AM
Jan 2026

You look closely, he had his gun drawn before she started to move forward down the road. This was incredibly poor law-enforcement or to save the lease….. It was murder.

GiqueCee

(4,345 posts)
37. Why?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:49 AM
Jan 2026

Because they're all trigger-happy assholes looking for any excuse to join the Killers' Klub. Makes 'em feel like a MAN! Which is something they will NEVER be. They're under-trained, over-paid thugs specifically recruited because of their sociopathic tendencies, not in spite of them.

sop

(18,737 posts)
39. This woman was shot in the face for the same reason Kristi Noem shot her dog Cricket in the face: .
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:52 AM
Jan 2026

when people (or dogs) disobey, they must be shot.

Ocelot II

(130,693 posts)
40. Because they are so desperate for new agents that they'll hire anybody with a pulse,
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:56 AM
Jan 2026

and the only people who apply for the job are men (mostly) of low character who are willing to spend their days kidnapping ordinary people and sending them to gulags in an unfamiliar country. People who don't mind tearing families apart by abducting grocery-shopping old ladies and college students on spring break and military veterans whose only sin is having brown skin. So they have a bunch of new hires, maybe a few J6 pardonees among them, guys who are predisposed to authoritarian assholery in the first place, and they give them minimal LEO training and let them know they can do pretty much whatever they want, and they set them loose. What could possibly go wrong?

Texin

(2,851 posts)
41. He shot her because he could.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:59 AM
Jan 2026

He obviously joined ICE so he could march around in jack boots with a gun and his face masked, wielding a gun provided by the U.S. government no less, so he had federal approval to use deadly force.

AverageOldGuy

(3,926 posts)
44. Because . . .
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:07 AM
Jan 2026

. . . they made C's and D's in high school, the big kids picked on them, and the girls wouldn't talk to them.

Abstractartist

(447 posts)
47. With the fact
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:22 AM
Jan 2026

With the face that anyone can go online and buy ICE uniforms, fake badges, and green hunting masks, I think anyone who is approached by one of these shits need to demand local police and identification. If not, then your life is in danger, and stand your ground should be taken seriously.

D. Spaulding

(510 posts)
52. I fear this moron won't be prosecuted, and this shyte will go on and get worse.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 10:34 AM
Jan 2026

Social media and flooding the zone means next week we'll be on to a new outrage and this will be forgotten like so many other things the monster in chief does. And that means forgotten by most Dem politicians too. I hope I'm wrong; I hope someone like AOC keeps it in the news and pushes hard for this guy to get the punishment he deserves, but I have no optimism.

John1956PA

(4,981 posts)
57. Immediately before the tragedy, the shooter was apparently video recording with his phone.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:08 AM
Jan 2026

I think he was distracted by his act of video recording. He was not "in the moment" so to speak. A well trained officer would have been focusing on the situation and discerning between what is an imminent threat and what is not.

We will never know the purpose of the agent's video recording. For all we know, he may have been live streaming on Facebook in order to impress his friends.

Scrivener7

(59,641 posts)
60. Because that guy has been dreaming about doing something like that since he was
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 12:23 PM
Jan 2026

12 years old in his mother's basement.

ICE let's him wear his costumes and carry his gun to somewhere other than Starbucks and the Piggly Wiggly, and now he can get away with actually shooting a person. Which is much more appealing to him than hunting an animal.

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