And so of course after he murdered her, she slumped over and the car went out of control.

So big wow if he got hurt. It was a self-inflicted wound. If he hadn't murdered her - the car wouldn't have gone out of control.

And no - I'm not 'innocent until proven guilty' when it's Blackshirts/a Presidential Paramilitary Organization.

In my mind, he, sure as shit looks guilty.

Nazi SS - how are these thugs any different?

They protect him - the angrier the population is going to get.


Me - I'm beyond livid. Everything from the Regime is a lie. Everything.

Not one word of what they said about this murder is true. Not one word.

You touched me and I got scared for my safety they say.
Tough guys eh?

during their inadequate training. The threat to officers from the public is greatly exaggerated.

Next we’ll find out that they are all taking meth or Adderall to get up for their raids. Steroids etc.

They are looking for a reason to inflict harm. They want to do violence. I am more afraid of the angry white men in our country than any other group right now. They are reacting poorly to their increasing irrelevance. The rich ones calling the shots seem to believe we can ignore the laws of nature. Apparently they'd rather be kings of a pile of rubbish than share a good thing.

Did you understand what the post you replied to said? I assume you did, because you chose to emphasize a mispelling over content, and maybe try to embarrass the poster? English is ever-evolving, and what's slang today will be standard tomorrow. Altho I dont expect u 2 agree w/me.

from another angle, it looks like he kinda bounces off it as it pulls away.

Either way, the agent could have easily avoided being hit by the car if he wasn't busy pulling his gun out and shooting the driver.

I think this is relevant:

They synced the two videos together and you’re right — the officer was not struck by the vehicle.

I think he momentarily slipped on ice with his left foot as he was being pushed back.

He regained it extremely quickly, which emphasized how insignificant a threat the car was, and how minimal the contact.

You'll see the car just start to move. The thug who shot her is in front of the car leaning over it, and the car appears to shove him slightly (even though his feet slide a bit on the ice is is still able to maintain his balance), he fires off the first shot, the car speeds up, and he fires the 2nd and 3rd shot through the window.

I'm not claiming the shooting was justified - the idiot walked in front of a car with a driver in it as it was being surrounded by ICE - with two other thugs approaching the door of the car to pull her out. Clearly not a smart move. He clearly wasn't injured by any contact. And he could clearly have continued his path toward the driver's side of the door had he not decided to stop and aim his gun at her.

The only dispute is the timing. He was slightly in front of her car both when he fired the first shot and when the car started moving forward and to his right.

Here's the video that I'm pretty sure you're referring to.

Don't know why you keep claiming he was hit.

Other video shows zero contact.

And I'm not in favor of ignoring uncomfortable realities. The other vehicle shows feet and head/shoulders, not the midsection, which is where the contact occurs.

And to be clear I'm not in any way saying that she deliberately hit the officer or that he was even hit hard enough to knock him down. I had just wanted to find this "other video" that was being discussed.

The agent was not hit. Have you seen the NYT frame-by-frame analysis?

I'd not see that one, so thanks for letting me know.

Analyzing only the single video, I initially reached the same conclusion. It was only when I saw the second conclusion, then went back and looked at them together, that it is clear to me that there was contact between the car and the shooter (could well be because he was leaning on it to take aim), then it started to move.

It was not dangerous contact (until he killed her and let a driverless car loose). If he went to the hospital, it was just for show. He walked around the scene for a few minutes, not limping, not doubling over in pain, he didn't have any of the physical protective reaction that most people would have with even a minor tap with a car.

He put himself in danger by walking in front the car (by walking around the front of the car when he could see the two other agents were about to try to pull her out of the car).

And my frame-by-frame review of the video from the front perspective doesn't match with theirs. They acknowledged that "And it’s true that at this moment, in this grainy, low-resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being struck by the SUV." They ultimately concluded, "we can see the agent is not being run over."

There is a significant difference between saying there was no contact between the agent and the car, and the agent was not being run over. I completely agree he was not run over. I also completely agree that his feet were not in the path of the vehicle. Neither rules out there not being contact in the mid-section, which is what is clear to me from the video, especially when I slow the only video which shows his midsection down to quarter speed.

Who most likely has been waiting his whole life to shoot and kill someone?

Discussing what can objectively seen in videos is not defending him. A defense would be to use what can be seen in the video to justify what he did, by saying he was afraid for his life, or that she was deliberately trying to hit him.

Absolutely nothing I've said in any of my posts even comes close to defending him. The closest I've come is to suggest that from a legal standpoint, if the car did come in contact with him, it will make the legal case harder to prosecute. That's just reality - and any prosecution which ignores the second video due so at the risk of letting him go free.

You can see that both of his feet are to the left of her front left tire as he shoots. (starts around the 30 second mark) If there was any contact with the car, it was because he was leaning over it. The video shows her clearly turning the wheels to avoid th murderer.

Link to tweet

It doesn't take into account the other viewpoint, which shows things which are hidden by a second thug in the analyzed video.

The issue isn't his feet - it is his midsection, which is hidden in this video.

"Do you know how many beers it took to get this bod?"

If there was contact, HE INITIATED It by leaning over it. She had already turned the wheels of the car to the right to avoid the guy. If she was trying to run him over, she never would have done that. WHy you would try to argue with that is completely baffling. I never thought I'd see people here making excuses for a murderer.

Every part of the body is in the same space as the feet?

His mid-section is completely hidden from view in the one video, and it is in contact with the car in the other view (regardless of where his feet are).

I have said absolutely nothing which suggests she intended to run over him. He chose to walk in front of her car. He chose to stop while he was still in the path of her vehicle and point the gun at her. She was trying to get away. None of that is inconsistent with the vehicle making contact with him.

Making observations about what is objectively in a video which shows the front view of the car has zero to do with making excuses for a murderer.

It is there on the video or videos as plain as day. He was out strutting around like he was the king rooster.

That sick f*ck strutted around that street, up and back, with no injury at all. He wasn’t hit. He wasn’t hospitalized. He wasn’t injured.

He showed no signs of injury or pain.