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EarlG

(23,662 posts)
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:21 PM Jan 2026

Officer in Renee Good shooting fired the fatal shots while filming with a phone in his left hand

UPDATE: as I was initially writing this post, the video from Ross's phone was released. I've added it to the bottom of this post.

I hadn't noticed it until just now, despite watching the videos multiple times.

In the original video from the back-left of the vehicle, you can clearly see that Jonathan Ross is filming the incident, with his phone in his left hand. Here are some screengrabs from the New York Times analysis video:





Why is he doing this? Surely walking in front of a car which is potentially about to move is not good practice, so why is he doing that with a phone in his hand? How closely can he possibly be paying attention to what's happening in front of him if he's holding a phone screen up in his left hand? Is he looking at the car or the screen?

Knowing that he has a phone in his left hand, if you watch the video you can see that the entire incident occurs while he is holding that phone. He draws, aims, and fires his weapon with one hand, all while holding a cell phone in his left hand. After the shooting, he holsters his gun and you can just about still see the phone in his left hand.



This guy is supposed to be a well-trained ten-year veteran firearms expert. Is it standard police practice to walk in front of a car filming a video with a phone in your left hand, then draw, aim, and fire your weapon three times into the car with the other hand, risking hitting the other officer standing right next to you, as well as anyone standing behind the vehicle should the bullets miss or pass through it?

EDITED TO ADD: They've now released the video from Jonathan Ross's phone:



If they've done that, it can only have been done with his consent, and likely his lawyers, and likely the Trump administration. Presumably they think this helps their case that he was hit with the car. Ross's video doesn't really show that, but it certainly proves that he was clearly distracted by his phone while shooting someone.
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Officer in Renee Good shooting fired the fatal shots while filming with a phone in his left hand (Original Post) EarlG Jan 2026 OP
Noem's made for teevee execution UpInArms Jan 2026 #1
Good questions, all of them. Maybe there might be answers--who knows? ...n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2026 #2
Only an idiot would film himself committing a crime GusBob Jan 2026 #3
it backfired clevergrrrl Jan 2026 #9
Or to show around to his other Brownshirt friends. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #61
Sick. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2026 #4
What if...? ScoutHikerDad Jan 2026 #5
The fact that he was holding his phone surely shows criminal negligence if nothing else EarlG Jan 2026 #6
Standards and Legal FiveFifteen Jan 2026 #80
It also makes it a harder to make the case that he was in fear for his life when he decided to pull the trigger. Ms. Toad Jan 2026 #84
yes. Codifer Jan 2026 #26
Im convinced that these ICE goons clevergrrrl Jan 2026 #7
I think he screwed himself EarlG Jan 2026 #11
I think I know what happened, it just came to me. clevergrrrl Jan 2026 #13
Exactly. His distraction prevented him from knowing the car momentarily backed up. John1956PA Jan 2026 #29
it's even worse uncle ray Jan 2026 #50
You're right EarlG Jan 2026 #53
you can see his hand in frame briefly when he is being confronted by Rebecca Good. uncle ray Jan 2026 #54
Which is apparently what he calls her mcar Jan 2026 #81
He filmed himself committing a murder. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #63
If nothing else genxlib Jan 2026 #8
What the hell. 😡😡 TommieMommy Jan 2026 #10
He was told to film the interactions clevergrrrl Jan 2026 #12
Trophy hunting is psycho/serial killer behavior, and evidence of premeditation. RockRaven Jan 2026 #14
Her last words Autumn Jan 2026 #15
He needs the Death Penalty. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #66
Chilling mcar Jan 2026 #82
"Out here shootin' libtards, now smash that LIKE button! Don't forget to subscribe!" flvegan Jan 2026 #16
Now they're doing snuff films. Scrivener7 Jan 2026 #17
That's how the Abu Ghraib story broke DBoon Jan 2026 #27
Jeezus. Humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #68
That was my first impression as well PatSeg Jan 2026 #32
That was my take on it. Lifeafter70 Jan 2026 #36
Making a snuff video. drray23 Jan 2026 #18
Here's the video. 17 seconds. Totally unnecessary underpants Jan 2026 #19
+1 dalton99a Jan 2026 #24
Renee Nicole Good: "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you." ICE Officer: "Fuckin' bitch" underpants Jan 2026 #20
He can be heard calling her a "f***ing b****" immediately after shooting her. PA Democrat Jan 2026 #21
He may have been live live streaming on Facebook. John1956PA Jan 2026 #22
No, they released this themselves, on purpose EarlG Jan 2026 #25
It makes him look even worse MustLoveBeagles Jan 2026 #33
I disagree but I guess I'll be the only one here to. Callie1979 Jan 2026 #38
Why they released it, IMO dpibel Jan 2026 #69
Yes! I think he was livestreaming it! EarthAbides Jan 2026 #34
So he made sure he was filming, and bumps into the car orangecrush Jan 2026 #65
Exactly. She's turning the steering wheel to avoid the dumbass who is filming her. Rhiagel Jan 2026 #70
Kick dalton99a Jan 2026 #23
Great evidence of his malice. nt SunSeeker Jan 2026 #28
More and more convinced that this was a planned and provoked shooting Prairie Gates Jan 2026 #30
They are proud of killing people. And maybe they get a bonus for every dead body. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #31
Trophy hunters who can't afford safaris or those stateside 'wild animal' hunt parks for rich guys? Attilatheblond Jan 2026 #39
Exactly. Poor man's version of human safaris. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #46
Oh yeah..... SergeStorms Jan 2026 #35
I noticed it too, but thought 'nah, they can't be that stupid, maybe just a bad view angle' Attilatheblond Jan 2026 #42
Using Palantir cellphone facial recognition app? orangecrush Jan 2026 #37
Pix are for creation of a database of "domestic terrorists" duckworth969 Jan 2026 #51
What I was thinking orangecrush Jan 2026 #64
So she was dead when the car moved toward him. Srkdqltr Jan 2026 #40
The video released from his phone is fake!!! lark Jan 2026 #41
I agree! See my post below! Silver Gaia Jan 2026 #45
The fact that this video was clearly released in coordination with the White House is certainly grounds for suspicion EarlG Jan 2026 #47
I am still suspicious. Silver Gaia Jan 2026 #52
I didn't know about the noise being possibly too loud. lark Jan 2026 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author jeffreyi Jan 2026 #43
All I see is that she was clearly the calmer person in that situation, Silver Gaia Jan 2026 #44
He could have fired because for a split second he THOUGHT he was going to get hit, but EarlG Jan 2026 #49
Thanks for your response, EarlG. Silver Gaia Jan 2026 #57
The "accelerating" stuff is driving me crazy! Pacifist Patriot Jan 2026 #48
Did she accelerate before she was shot in the head? markodochartaigh Jan 2026 #56
That's what I think... Silver Gaia Jan 2026 #58
My thinking as well. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #89
Yes. But think of it in terms of parallel parking. You both Pacifist Patriot Jan 2026 #83
The car shot forward after she was shot. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #88
ICE can access the phones of any person onsite of a protest duckworth969 Jan 2026 #55
This is what ends Trump's presidency. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #59
One hopes 🤞 MustLoveBeagles Jan 2026 #67
Amen. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #71
TOTALLY AGAINST PROCEDURE, per ex-ICE supervisor on MS-NOW this afternoon. Paladin Jan 2026 #60
That could end up being the key to this EarlG Jan 2026 #72
You need two hands to control any high caliber automatic... farmbo Jan 2026 #76
It is contrary to all practices and training with regards to guns. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #90
Distracted attention in public moondust Jan 2026 #62
My guess is that it is for Bettie Jan 2026 #73
My question is, why would anyone in this situation walk as close as possible in front of a car? flashman13 Jan 2026 #75
After seeing this video and the enhancement on CNN hamsterjill Jan 2026 #86
If your theory is correct that would definitely indicate premeditation. I suppose sufficient premeditation could occur flashman13 Jan 2026 #87
Does MN have a law against driving distracted (mobile device)? FiveFifteen Jan 2026 #77
It seems odd that he released that video, it doc03 Jan 2026 #78
I agree. I have thought Vance wanted to get ahead of the curve. John1956PA Jan 2026 #79
Post removed Post removed Jan 2026 #85
He started recording with the phone in his right hand MurrayDelph Jan 2026 #91

GusBob

(8,268 posts)
3. Only an idiot would film himself committing a crime
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:30 PM
Jan 2026

Clearly the guy is an criminal idiot

The answer you are looking for? He's stupid AF

clevergrrrl

(173 posts)
9. it backfired
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:40 PM
Jan 2026

he probably thought he was being clever to film himself so that he'd have evidence in court.

ScoutHikerDad

(97 posts)
5. What if...?
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:32 PM
Jan 2026

He moved near the front of her vehicle with his phone camera as an instinctive pretext to shoot her? It's the same bullshit move with these sadistic bastards as "Stop resisting!" yelled at a subdued person with knees on their neck as cover for more beatings. It seems pretty clear to me that these fascist thugs are just itching for excuses to shoot people, and they know now that they can hurt, maim and even kill people with impunity thanks to the felon rapist. This can only escalate. I predict that we are dangerously close to them firing into a crowd of bystanders, and then what?

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
6. The fact that he was holding his phone surely shows criminal negligence if nothing else
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:36 PM
Jan 2026

I hope that state officials file charges soon in order to head off the idea that ICE agents can act with impunity. If prosecuted, I think he will have a hard time in court arguing that he had full control of himself during the incident, considering that he was distracted by the phone in his hand.

FiveFifteen

(106 posts)
80. Standards and Legal
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 08:01 PM
Jan 2026

[Gemini prompted research]

In modern law enforcement, standards from the IACP (International Association of Chiefs of Police), CALEA (Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies), and IACLEA (International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators) prioritize officer safety, tactical proficiency, and the use of objective technology for documentation.

None of these organizations recommend or provide "clear guidance" that an officer should use a handheld mobile device to record an active engagement. In fact, doing so would likely be viewed as a violation of fundamental tactical and safety standards.

1. Professional Standards & Expectations

CALEA (Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies)
CALEA standards (specifically Standard 41.3.8 regarding Body-Worn Cameras) emphasize that recording should be handled by automated or hands-free systems.

* Tactical Focus: The commentary on CALEA standards suggests that Body-Worn Cameras (BWCs) are preferred because they allow for "early activation" so an officer does not have to "think about turning the BWC on under stressful conditions or during an escalating event when an officer's focus is on safety and tactics" (CALEA 41.3.8).
* Prohibition of Personal Devices: Many agency policies aligned with CALEA expressly prohibit the use of personal devices for evidence collection unless "out of necessity" and strictly define that "personnel will not make copies of any video... for personal use" (CALEA Standards - PowerDMS, 2025).
IACP (International Association of Chiefs of Police)
The IACP Model Policy on Investigation of Officer-Involved Shootings (2019) focuses on the preservation of evidence and the "elimination of threats."
* Prioritization: Under Section V, the policy dictates that officers must "take initial steps to ensure that any threat from the subject has been eliminated" and "protect the safety of themselves and others" before addressing evidence.
* Evidence Collection: IACP guidelines suggest that "determinations be made whether video recordings were made by in-car cameras; body-worn cameras... and that they have been secured as evidence." It does not envision an officer as the primary videographer during the discharge of a firearm.
IACLEA (International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators)
IACLEA's Accreditation Standards (Standard 4.1.2) regarding the use of deadly force mirror the "Objective Reasonableness" standard from Graham v. Connor.
* Expectation of Readiness: IACLEA standards (specifically Chapter 43) require officers to be proficient in weapons handling. Using a hand to hold a phone while engaging a suspect would likely be cited as a failure to maintain "operational readiness" (IACLEA Standard 1.2.3).

2. Impact on Trial & Legal Defense

If an officer shoots a citizen while holding a gun in one hand and a cell phone in the other, it creates significant legal vulnerabilities:

The "Objective Reasonableness" Standard
Under Graham v. Connor, an officer's actions are judged based on what a "reasonable officer" would do in the same situation.

* The Prosecution’s Argument: The prosecution would argue that if the officer had time and manual dexterity to film, the threat was not "immediate" or "deadly." The act of filming contradicts the claim that the officer was in fear for their life, as they chose to prioritize "content" or "documentation" over tactical safety (e.g., a two-handed grip for accuracy).

* Expert Testimony: Policing experts, such as Geoffrey P. Alpert, have characterized officers placing themselves in tactical disadvantage to film as "absurd" and a "dangerous decision" (AP News, Jan 2026).

Negligence and Recklessness

* Marksmanship: Handguns are designed to be fired with a two-handed "isosceles" or "Weaver" stance for maximum control. Firing one-handed while distracted by a screen increases the risk of "stray" rounds, which could lead to charges of Culpable Negligence or Reckless Endangerment.
* Failure of Duty: Defense attorneys would struggle to justify why an officer bypassed department-issued Body-Worn Cameras (which are hands-free) in favor of a handheld device, suggesting a "premeditated" or "performative" motive rather than a professional response to a threat.

The "Split-Second" Doctrine

Courts usually give deference to officers making split-second decisions. However, the manual act of retrieving, unlocking, and aiming a phone camera requires deliberative thought, which undermines the "split-second" defense. It suggests the officer had time to assess and chose to film instead of seeking cover or de-escalating.

> Conclusion: Utilizing a mobile device to film during a shooting incident is tactically unsound and legally damaging. It serves as powerful evidence for a prosecutor to argue that the officer was not facing an "immediate" threat and was acting outside the scope of "objectively reasonable" police conduct.

Ms. Toad

(38,692 posts)
84. It also makes it a harder to make the case that he was in fear for his life when he decided to pull the trigger.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 09:13 PM
Jan 2026

Deliberately walking in front of a car, while filming it continuing to film as he draws his gun to fire . . . if you're in fear for your life you drop the phone and focus on making the situation safe.

clevergrrrl

(173 posts)
7. Im convinced that these ICE goons
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:38 PM
Jan 2026

are private military contractors and he was filming himself to protect himself in court as crazy as that sounds.

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
11. I think he screwed himself
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:42 PM
Jan 2026

There is no way that he can argue that he was able to make a reasonable split-second decision that his life was in danger while he was waving his phone in front of his face.

We ticket people who use their cellphones while driving for a reason -- it's dangerous, because people can't concentrate properly on the road if they're looking at a phone. This guy was doing the exact same thing -- he couldn't possibly have been concentrating on what he was doing while looking at his phone.

clevergrrrl

(173 posts)
13. I think I know what happened, it just came to me.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:48 PM
Jan 2026

Sorry for the multiple responses but I'm examining this in real time like everybody else. I think they were told to film their interactions with the public so that they could have a viral moment of a "leftist agitator" and plaster it all over FoxNews. I think that is an avenue of inquiry that reporters should take. If Noem sent out a memo telling agents to film interactions with their phones.

John1956PA

(4,987 posts)
29. Exactly. His distraction prevented him from knowing the car momentarily backed up.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:22 PM
Jan 2026

If he had been paying attention to the scene rather than to his phone screen, the brief time interval of that backing up movement would have allowed him to jog to the side, out of danger of the car if it were to proceed forward. In fact, his instincts would have compelled him to make that jog. He is at fault. His negligence placed him at the left front corner of the car.

uncle ray

(3,361 posts)
50. it's even worse
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:34 PM
Jan 2026

if you watch the reflections in the car, you can see he starts filming with the phone in his right hand, the switches to the left hand while passing by the passenger side for the second time, to unholster his gun. we can clearly see that she is not threatening him in any way to warrant him pulling out his gun.

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
53. You're right
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:40 PM
Jan 2026

The phone is clearly in his right hand when he is behind the car, at some point between the back and front of the car he switches it to his left hand.

Makes you wonder if he was intentionally putting himself into a position where he had an excuse to use his weapon, because he wanted to teach some "fucking b*tch" a lesson.

uncle ray

(3,361 posts)
54. you can see his hand in frame briefly when he is being confronted by Rebecca Good.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:43 PM
Jan 2026

this timing is telling IMO. he wasn't going to take shit talking from a couple of lesbians.

mcar

(46,123 posts)
81. Which is apparently what he calls her
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 08:19 PM
Jan 2026

Why did he draw his weapon in the first place? She was speaking nicely to him seconds before.

genxlib

(6,145 posts)
8. If nothing else
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:40 PM
Jan 2026

It is indicative of the fact that these guys do not wear body cams.

Maybe I would feel different if every step I took was monitored but it always felt like something an honest law enforcement officer would want.

clevergrrrl

(173 posts)
12. He was told to film the interactions
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:43 PM
Jan 2026

to create a viral moment to broadcast on FoxNews. That's it. Look at all the idiot right wing influencers Nick Shirley, Nick Sortor and Benny Johnson that have been going on raids with Noem. Dan Bongino puffing his chest like John Wayne. This is all performance for the spectacle.

Autumn

(48,972 posts)
15. Her last words
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:48 PM
Jan 2026

SHOCK CELL PHONE VIDEO: Renee Good's final words to her murderer: “That’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you.”

ICE agent Jonathan Ross after shooting and killing her seconds later: “Fuckin’ bitch.”

Via Alpha News

MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 2026-01-09T18:36:45.559Z

DBoon

(25,027 posts)
27. That's how the Abu Ghraib story broke
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:21 PM
Jan 2026

some of the folks committing these atrocities uploaded them to a torture porn site

PatSeg

(53,222 posts)
32. That was my first impression as well
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:25 PM
Jan 2026

These people are disgusting AND they're heavily armed.

Lifeafter70

(1,039 posts)
36. That was my take on it.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:39 PM
Jan 2026

The first shot might have been an accident due to him being preoccupied with his cell phone
The second two shots were deliberate.
Bottom line he had no reason to pull out his gun in the first place.

underpants

(196,693 posts)
20. Renee Nicole Good: "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you." ICE Officer: "Fuckin' bitch"
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 03:53 PM
Jan 2026

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PA Democrat

(13,428 posts)
21. He can be heard calling her a "f***ing b****" immediately after shooting her.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:00 PM
Jan 2026

If that is Kristi Noem’s standard of a professional well-trained officer, we are in more trouble than we thought. What kind of vermin kills a woman and immediately calls her a hateful name.

John1956PA

(4,987 posts)
22. He may have been live live streaming on Facebook.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:00 PM
Jan 2026

Maybe someone who watched the stream captured it, and later disseminated it.

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
25. No, they released this themselves, on purpose
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:05 PM
Jan 2026

JD Vance is already commenting on it, saying that it exonerates the officer. IMO it appears to incriminate him further.

Callie1979

(1,354 posts)
38. I disagree but I guess I'll be the only one here to.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:53 PM
Jan 2026

That whole interaction doesn't look good; but he WAS in front at some point. NO, he shouldn't have been there; thats not proper procedure. But that also doesnt matter. I never hear him say anything which is odd.

dpibel

(3,972 posts)
69. Why they released it, IMO
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 06:09 PM
Jan 2026

I think they believe that their people, anyway, will be much more upset by Rebecca Good lipping off to poor officer Ross than by what ensued.

And they may be so far down their rabbit hole that they think it will be clear to everyone that the poor fella was pushed beyond the limits of any mortal and had not choice but to shoot.

We are, after all, dealing with very twisted people.

EarthAbides

(452 posts)
34. Yes! I think he was livestreaming it!
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:35 PM
Jan 2026

I have this gut feeling that the taco gestapo were hunting for a protester to kill. The goons could have driven around her car!! A car drove past her vehicle right before they started getting out of their vehicles. They blocked her in making it hard for her to drive away.

Rhiagel

(1,865 posts)
70. Exactly. She's turning the steering wheel to avoid the dumbass who is filming her.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 06:10 PM
Jan 2026

It happens almost simultaneously with the other jerk trying to get inside her car.

Attilatheblond

(8,979 posts)
39. Trophy hunters who can't afford safaris or those stateside 'wild animal' hunt parks for rich guys?
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:58 PM
Jan 2026

Or wanna-bee snuf film producer for dark web pay-per- view? Maybe he wants special attention from the sadist in the Oval Office?

At the very least, mentally ill and fatally stupid. Definitely should not be on federal payroll or allowed on the streets with ANY level of authority to do whatever they want.

Irish_Dem

(81,591 posts)
46. Exactly. Poor man's version of human safaris.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:21 PM
Jan 2026

Snuff films, just like Epstein taped the rape.

I cannot think of any job these Nazi goons could or should hold.

SergeStorms

(20,627 posts)
35. Oh yeah.....
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 04:39 PM
Jan 2026

I noticed that yesterday but didn't think it was anything. We'll, I was in error. It is "something!"

Even more pertinent are Johnathan Ross's misogynistic comments during and after his murder of Ms. Good. Positively disgusting.

Attilatheblond

(8,979 posts)
42. I noticed it too, but thought 'nah, they can't be that stupid, maybe just a bad view angle'
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:05 PM
Jan 2026

I stand corrected.

duckworth969

(1,366 posts)
51. Pix are for creation of a database of "domestic terrorists"
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:35 PM
Jan 2026

Wouldn’t be surprised if they knew who she was prior to the unfolding of the incident.

Thugs were taking pictures of her license plates as soon as they surrounded her car.

lark

(26,085 posts)
41. The video released from his phone is fake!!!
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:02 PM
Jan 2026

It only shows one shot after she's in the distance and you can't see him getting hit at all, just a thump and he walked to the car and back, no limp, no signs of distress so this is pure bullshit!!!! There were 3 shots, one at point blank range, not just the one.

Fucking liars!!

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
47. The fact that this video was clearly released in coordination with the White House is certainly grounds for suspicion
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:22 PM
Jan 2026

However, I think this does match up with the other videos -- Ross is on the front left corner of the car when it begins to move. From other videos you can see that he moves out of the way, to his right, as the car moves. You can't see the gunshots on this new video, and you can't hear them either, possibly because they were too loud for the phone's mic to pick up -- many smartphones will employ "audio ducking" to prevent distortion if the input is too high, although I'm just speculating that that's what happened in this case.

You can't see the shots because when the car starts moving, Ross steps to his right and immediately loses focus on the phone, which points in random directions while he is shooting with his other hand. There is a noise which sounds like he is hit by the car, but that is absolutely not proven by this video. Banging the phone's mic against his clothing would create a similar noise. There are other videos which clearly show him stepping aside and firing two shots into the side window of the car after firing one into the windshield.

Silver Gaia

(5,365 posts)
52. I am still suspicious.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:37 PM
Jan 2026

You make good points, but I would really like to see a side-by-side comparison before I accept it as non-tampered with. It would just be too easy to do, and they have the incentive to try it.

I definitely do not see, regardless of tampering or lack of, how this makes him look any better or her look worse!

I guess from their perspective, a woman not meekly obeying, and instead being a "mouthy woman" AKA "fucking bitch" is reason enough to get shot in the face nowadays? Is that what they want me to think?

That is my only takeaway from this.

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Silver Gaia

(5,365 posts)
44. All I see is that she was clearly the calmer person in that situation,
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:20 PM
Jan 2026

and there is nothing to show that she was angry enough to try to run him over. That's just nuts. They think this exonerates him? It adds to her case, and makes him look even worse to me!

I would like to see a comparison time-wise between the newly released video from the murderer's cell phone with ones we already have seen that CLEARLY show he did NOT get hit by the car. In this new one, his arm apparently jerks up, then he shoots her and the car runs away.

That moment where his arm seems to jerk up is a great place for tampering with that video. In the other ones, I think there is MORE TIME between the last spot we see him filming aimed toward thd car and the shooting. Do we see him throw his arm up before he shoots in those earlier videos?

I hope someone with the equipment and expertise is looking at this. That is just too easy a place to edit that new video, and him tossing his arm up does NOT mean the car hit him! I want a comparison ASAP!

I think they could easily have edited out the part that shows, from his perspective as well, that he was not hit by the car. What I see is that his hand jerks up because he is shooting with his other hand, not because the car hit him.

And then he calls her a "fucking bitch"??? Nope. No exoneration. Shd did NOTHING to deserve what he did to her. That is even more clear here.

And I am even more sickened. That was cold-blooded MURDER.

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
49. He could have fired because for a split second he THOUGHT he was going to get hit, but
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:29 PM
Jan 2026

if he did, that's because instead of paying attention to what he was doing, he was looking at his phone. Which is an extremely dangerous thing to be doing when you could be a split second from drawing your gun and firing it. It certainly seems clear that if his colleague hadn't tried to pull Renee Good out of the car, she wouldn't have pulled out like that.

AT BEST for Ross, it's this:

Negligent homicide is a type of criminal liability involving the unintentional killing of another person through reckless or criminally negligent conduct. Unlike murder, which requires intent to kill, negligent homicide occurs when someone’s actions show a gross deviation from reasonable care, creating a substantial and unjustifiable risk of death. Penalties vary by state and can include imprisonment and fines.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/what-is-negligent-homicide.html

But for negligent homicide you need "absence of intent to kill." The fact that he fired his weapon twice into the side of the car as it was going past him, and then called her a "fucking bitch" immediately afterwards, would certainly appear to put a dent in that defense.

I'm not a lawyer though so please take this as the speculation that it is...

Silver Gaia

(5,365 posts)
57. Thanks for your response, EarlG.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:47 PM
Jan 2026

I just do not trust them in the least.

And I agree that his defense of negligent homicide is blown. But of course they don't think that. Evidently, they think he is a perfect angel. Why else would they release this?

I was already sickened by this, and am now even more devastated. Tears are falling as I type this. I just can't...

Pacifist Patriot

(25,214 posts)
48. The "accelerating" stuff is driving me crazy!
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:27 PM
Jan 2026

Yes, there is acceleration. But context matters! She's going from a full stop on an icy road obstructed by other vehicles. How in the world could she have accelerated beyond 3-5 mph while in control of the vehicle? It is sheer madness for anyone to see this and claim that officer was in any danger whatsoever. One step to the side without any particular urgency and he's out of harm's way. Ugh!

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
56. Did she accelerate before she was shot in the head?
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:46 PM
Jan 2026

In my opinion after someone is shot in the head they are no longer responsible for whatever (probably involuntary) actions their body may make.

Pacifist Patriot

(25,214 posts)
83. Yes. But think of it in terms of parallel parking. You both
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 09:01 PM
Jan 2026

accelerate and decelerate as we move back and forth and turn the wheels to get into the spot.

That's the kind of acceleration she does.

I have seen way too many MAGA using the word and twisting it to presume she deliberately stepped on the gas and was flying at him at 45+ mph. It's grotesque spin.

yellow dahlia

(6,064 posts)
88. The car shot forward after she was shot.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 12:08 PM
Jan 2026

Perhaps with her foot on the accelerator it pushed to the floor when she was shot...as a reflex reaction. My thought.

duckworth969

(1,366 posts)
55. ICE can access the phones of any person onsite of a protest
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:44 PM
Jan 2026

Might need to start carrying around a real digital camera to avoid id while filming.

But that does sound a little impractical. Goons could seize your camera if they see it.

We need jamming apps.

Or wear a camera like a GoPro. I wonder if you can livestream with one of those?

Carry a burner phone?

The Feds are gathering data and using it to id people in the vicinity. If you’re filming, you should be aware that your data is in some fashion being collected.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
60. TOTALLY AGAINST PROCEDURE, per ex-ICE supervisor on MS-NOW this afternoon.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:55 PM
Jan 2026

He said that a law enforcement agent trying to deal with using a gun and viewing an electronic device simultaneously would be jeopardizing his own life, and would be subject to disciplinary action.

EarlG

(23,662 posts)
72. That could end up being the key to this
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 06:13 PM
Jan 2026

No matter what else happened, waving a gun around in one hand and a phone in the other seems like incredibly dangerous behavior.

farmbo

(3,153 posts)
76. You need two hands to control any high caliber automatic...
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 07:16 PM
Jan 2026

Otherwise, your second and third shots will careen wildly. This is Peace Officer training 101.
But for Noem's ICE, up loadable (after editing) video is of the utmost importance.

Of course, ICE refuses to wear body cameras like professional Law Enforcement.

yellow dahlia

(6,064 posts)
90. It is contrary to all practices and training with regards to guns.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 12:16 PM
Jan 2026

His behavior violates all standards and procedures of policing. If he had any training - he ignored it.

And I read somewhere that this is guy has been a weapons instructor. Seriously?!

moondust

(21,298 posts)
62. Distracted attention in public
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 05:58 PM
Jan 2026

due to cell phone usage has been one of my worst pet peeves for a long time. Whether driving a vehicle, walking across an intersection, or pushing a shopping cart through a store, it can be dangerous to the user and to anyone around them. Of course operating a deadly weapon while distracted by a cell phone is totally irresponsible and should have long ago been banned. That's what body cameras are for. Where was his?

Bettie

(19,757 posts)
73. My guess is that it is for
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 06:18 PM
Jan 2026

Later masturbation…probably been fantasizing about killing a woman for years. Wonder if he was live-streaming it to his troglodyte buddies.

flashman13

(2,441 posts)
75. My question is, why would anyone in this situation walk as close as possible in front of a car?
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 06:41 PM
Jan 2026

When coupled with the fact that he was videoing, it looks very much like a provocation on his part. He wanted to be so closed that he could credibly say he felt threatened. The videoing belies that contention. It shows premeditation.

I'm no body language specialist, but I would say that the look Nicole Good's face (I'm having a hard time seeing her face knowing that in two seconds she is going to be dead) was not the least bit threatening. In fact, she looked very cheerful. She clearly did not look like she felt threatened in any way. A prosecutor will have a specialist and will stress these points.

hamsterjill

(17,617 posts)
86. After seeing this video and the enhancement on CNN
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 11:05 PM
Jan 2026

I am convinced that he knew he was dealing with a same sex couple and that infuriated him.

flashman13

(2,441 posts)
87. If your theory is correct that would definitely indicate premeditation. I suppose sufficient premeditation could occur
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 12:49 AM
Jan 2026

in just a few seconds to elevate the severity of the crime.

FiveFifteen

(106 posts)
77. Does MN have a law against driving distracted (mobile device)?
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 07:36 PM
Jan 2026

This at least qualifies as domestic terrorizing while distracted. There is NO way having a phone in his other hand while drawing a weapon meets any standard for use of force. IACP, CALEA, and any other state agencies, let alone federal, can’t possibly add to an officer’s defense.

doc03

(39,096 posts)
78. It seems odd that he released that video, it
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 07:45 PM
Jan 2026

certainly doesn't help his case. I wonder if that was leaked by someone else in ICE that wants him charged.

John1956PA

(4,987 posts)
79. I agree. I have thought Vance wanted to get ahead of the curve.
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 07:57 PM
Jan 2026

It is just a possibility, and I do not necessarily believe it is true, but maybe the video had already gotten out, and Vance wanted to put a pre-emptive spin on it.

Response to EarlG (Original post)

MurrayDelph

(5,756 posts)
91. He started recording with the phone in his right hand
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 04:33 PM
Jan 2026

but once Good's wife teased him, he switched the phone hand to free up his shootin' hand.

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