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yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 12:45 PM Jan 10

Heather Cox Richardson is so fucking brilliant!

She was on Velshi right now.

She and Ali were discussing the murder of Renee Nicole Good. She made a very important point about the way the shooting transpired, and the behavior of the federal agent Jonathan Ross.

We see from the recording on his phone - when he was being antagonistic and circling the vehicle, Renee said to him: "I'm not mad at you". She was acting in a way to de-escalate the situation. In doing so, she is actually the one in control.

Ross did not want her to be in control. He wanted to assert his control. So - he shot her.

HCR explained that this is classic authoritarian behavior.

HCR saw this dynamic for what it was. It is chilling. How dare you, a woman, assert control.

I will look for the video of the segment and post it when I retrieve it.

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Heather Cox Richardson is so fucking brilliant! (Original Post) yellow dahlia Jan 10 OP
Just saw this and totally agree LSparkle Jan 10 #1
And ... UpInArms Jan 10 #2
Great minds... surfered Jan 10 #4
Interesting that this should be canetoad Jan 10 #17
And that brought to my mind, PatSeg Jan 10 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author surfered Jan 10 #3
Facebook KentuckyWoman Jan 10 #5
Substack, I believe. mjvpi Jan 10 #6
And on YouTube SleeplessinSoCal Jan 10 #18
We subscribe and get an email every day. TNNurse Jan 10 #16
She is an important source of information and analysis. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #23
She's also on YouTube. Joinfortmill Jan 10 #21
She does live chats, where she takes questions. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #22
HCR's podcast features an audio version of her "Letters from an American" Pinback Jan 10 #24
Rapist mentality SheltieLover Jan 10 #7
So sad. She appeared to be, and by all accounts whathehell Jan 10 #8
murdering ICE maliaSmith Jan 10 #9
I think she read him completely right! bfoxmatt Jan 10 #10
And afterward, when the mudering ICE Agent Ross said "fucking bitch" - that told us everything about him ms liberty Jan 10 #11
good evidence against him... state of mind. JudyM Jan 10 #31
Yes and especially if it was he KT2000 Jan 10 #12
He's the only person within 20 feet dpibel Jan 10 #14
Thanks KT2000 Jan 10 #35
HCR/HRC czarjak Jan 10 #13
Good analysis, but I will stickle BaronChocula Jan 10 #15
I don't disagree. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #19
Love her! She is documenting this entire sordid period for history Joinfortmill Jan 10 #20
I say it, regularly - she is a national treasure. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #25
Agreed. It triggered his fragile machismo ego lostnfound Jan 10 #26
On what grounds was he telling her to get out of the car? Is he a traffic cop? lostnfound Jan 10 #27
A very good question. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #28
Good question. No authority and no grounds whatsoever. A professional law enforcement officer's take, not mine. summer_in_TX Jan 11 #44
Every woman should learn about this. ananda Jan 10 #30
Females learn at an early age to keep their mouths shut...or else. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #32
Not all of them, obviously. ananda Jan 10 #33
I am older than Renee. My generation was more suppressed. yellow dahlia Jan 10 #34
I have been thinking the same thing for DAYS now! Bought her last book, Maru Kitteh Jan 10 #36
He felt demasculinized and he wanted to show her who's boss. pacalo Jan 10 #37
Exactly. It was an emotional response. NH Ethylene Jan 10 #39
Clearly Ice-hat has been laughed-at Seinan Sensei Jan 10 #41
And all without thinking about his responses NH Ethylene Jan 10 #38
Some woman must have... BurnDoubt Jan 10 #40
I lay odds that he beats his wife. llmart Jan 10 #42
Micro penis vapor2 Jan 10 #43
Obey my authority Farmer-Rick Jan 11 #45
It feels like the citizens of this country are in an abusive relationship. yellow dahlia Jan 11 #48
It's probably the first time in my life that I'm enjoying "history." History the way she does it. Weaving of the...... usaf-vet Jan 11 #46
Agreed. yellow dahlia Jan 11 #47

canetoad

(20,356 posts)
17. Interesting that this should be
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:46 PM
Jan 10

His first natural response. Blame her for getting herself shot in the face. Just like an abuser saying, 'You deserved it'.

PatSeg

(52,470 posts)
29. And that brought to my mind,
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:39 PM
Jan 10

what woman in his past did Renee remind him of? An ex wife or girlfriend? Or perhaps an overbearing mother?

Response to yellow dahlia (Original post)

KentuckyWoman

(7,380 posts)
5. Facebook
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 01:25 PM
Jan 10

I don't know where else she publishes, but she is in my facebook feed every day. I really like her too.

yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
23. She is an important source of information and analysis.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:18 PM
Jan 10

I am impressed with how hard she is working. She even does live chats, where people can ask questions.

yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
22. She does live chats, where she takes questions.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:17 PM
Jan 10

She is working hard. She is a national treasure.

Pinback

(13,535 posts)
24. HCR's podcast features an audio version of her "Letters from an American"
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:19 PM
Jan 10

which is part of my daily morning ritual. Always excellent and informative. She is one of the greatest American historians alive — and undoubtedly one of the greatest ever.

maliaSmith

(168 posts)
9. murdering ICE
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 01:58 PM
Jan 10

He video taped with his phone the whole thing including shooting her in the face 3 times and then called her a fucking bitch after he murdered her.

What no one is mentioning is there was a black man in L.A. who was also murdered by ICE (BP), and yes Trump is allowing the murder of US citizens just like Nixon did at Kent State. It's going to get much worse than better. If you didn't vote in 2024, here's a huge FU to you. You nonvoters caused us to suffer under Trump and the GOP.

bfoxmatt

(45 posts)
10. I think she read him completely right!
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:00 PM
Jan 10

Horrible excuses for men who take these jobs knowing what they involve and the more terrible ones who put all these plans (2025) together!

ms liberty

(11,047 posts)
11. And afterward, when the mudering ICE Agent Ross said "fucking bitch" - that told us everything about him
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:00 PM
Jan 10

The words, the tone and his actions were crystal clear.

KT2000

(22,025 posts)
12. Yes and especially if it was he
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:12 PM
Jan 10

who said "fucking bitch" as she was dead and her car rolled away.

dpibel

(3,820 posts)
14. He's the only person within 20 feet
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:20 PM
Jan 10

Immediately after he fired, the rest of the crew beat feat in retreat. He was all by himself.

And it wasn't a shouted epithet that was picked up from a distance. It was sotto voce.

BaronChocula

(4,145 posts)
15. Good analysis, but I will stickle
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:29 PM
Jan 10

Because I'm a stickler. I think this would have happened Had Renee Good not have said "I'm not mad at you." The record is rife with deputized thugs behaving like this. I do think authority has everything to do with it though. It fits more of a pattern of an unfit officer angry at someone "who just won't comply [with the demand she get out of the vehicle]." Her driving off is the affront to their "authority" that triggered the killer.

lostnfound

(17,433 posts)
26. Agreed. It triggered his fragile machismo ego
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:21 PM
Jan 10

Recently, after a conflict with a young man I know had settled, I said something to him to express my empathy for the difficulty he had experienced, like ‘I know you’ve been under pressure’ or “it was a hard day” or similar. He snapped back at me, highly irritated, with “I’m not apologizing!!”

It was sad and maddening at the same time. I was a woman trying to smooth over hurt feelings, and instead of accepting the small peace offering, he just got angry that I dared to talk to him as human-to-human.

Rene probably thought she was connecting as a human “I’m not mad at you” but the ICE man perceived it as an affront to his authority, dominance, control.

lostnfound

(17,433 posts)
27. On what grounds was he telling her to get out of the car? Is he a traffic cop?
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:22 PM
Jan 10

Are they doing crowd control? Aren’t they supposed to be solely focused on immigrants?

yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
28. A very good question.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:31 PM
Jan 10

I understand why a woman would not want to get out of a car, when confronted by these federal agents.

In recent months, we have seen numerous examples of women being dragged out of cars by these guys...for no reason at all. Did you notice they have a tactic whereby they pull the women's pants down. I saw one incident where they tore her sweatshirt off. I think it is a deliberate intimidation tactic.

summer_in_TX

(4,059 posts)
44. Good question. No authority and no grounds whatsoever. A professional law enforcement officer's take, not mine.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:56 AM
Jan 11
https://substack.com/@tomhoefling/note/c-197600374?r=2zlv4a&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:

"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint.

[snip…]

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.


Our AGs, Governors, law enforcement and civil rights groups should be holding those committing illegal actions accountable through arrest, trial, and conviction.

yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
32. Females learn at an early age to keep their mouths shut...or else.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:48 PM
Jan 10

Or else can take many forms.

ananda

(34,565 posts)
33. Not all of them, obviously.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 03:55 PM
Jan 10

I've been trying to think how I'd react in
the same situation.

From what I can tell about ICE, just being
female is reason enough to harm, degrade,
rape, or kill us.

What women need to do is rethink. Maybe
only go to protests in gangs. I see no
reason for them not to be armed either.

yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
34. I am older than Renee. My generation was more suppressed.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 04:00 PM
Jan 10

I don't think Renee did anything wrong. I think women should not cower. But men have often been indoctrinated to think so.

Maru Kitteh

(31,367 posts)
36. I have been thinking the same thing for DAYS now! Bought her last book,
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 06:25 PM
Jan 10

and I’ve been looking up every podcast she’s been featured on in the last year or so and watching or listening to them.

She’s AMAZING.

pacalo

(24,850 posts)
37. He felt demasculinized and he wanted to show her who's boss.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 06:48 PM
Jan 10

He called her a 'fucking bitch' after he shot his gun 3 times.

NH Ethylene

(31,301 posts)
39. Exactly. It was an emotional response.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 07:39 PM
Jan 10

The victim's wife was also taunting him, which must have really pushed his buttons. So he showed them all what a big man he was.

NH Ethylene

(31,301 posts)
38. And all without thinking about his responses
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 07:36 PM
Jan 10

Because he's just not an introspective kind of thug.

BurnDoubt

(1,572 posts)
40. Some woman must have...
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 07:55 PM
Jan 10

laughed at his dick.
Toxic Masculinity.
Any Questions?
Dominance is a Psycho-Sexual aberration.
Get treatment. And leave the rest of us alone, freak.

yellow dahlia

(5,110 posts)
48. It feels like the citizens of this country are in an abusive relationship.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:02 PM
Jan 11

The regime is the abuser(s).

It feels like psychological abuse on a daily basis.

usaf-vet

(7,764 posts)
46. It's probably the first time in my life that I'm enjoying "history." History the way she does it. Weaving of the......
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 10:31 AM
Jan 11

..... past to explain the current fascist president and his goons.

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