It's all supposed to be over in about three weeks. I figure things will escalate quickly now. Not sure what to expect, but have learned to believe that NOTHING is ever off the table with these dumbasses.

Protests alone are great in my opinion to bring like minded people together. But they don't accomplish anything more than that in reality. They aren't going to sway public opinion. Without Democrats being willing to stand up, dig in their heels and say "NO" and mean it, I don't know that I hold out much hope any more.

Wasn't there something about "Q" being some 18 year old drop out? (I don't follow this stuff SERIOUSLY enough to remember. I follow this person for grins).

they never grew up and realized they were fucked up.

Over as in martial law? Or over as in ICE goes away? Trump dies? Please be the 3rd choice.

The problem with all of the QAnon stuff is trying to decipher what in the hell they mean. If you're not part of the "club", I don't think you can understand it all. Even if you're part of the "club", I don't think half of them know what it means but yet pretend that they do.

*I* personally took it to mean that Trump imposes martial law, but my opinion is no better than the next person's in this instance.

Where Trump is supposed to make a mass arrest of exclusively Democratic politicians and Hollywood actors because they're all part of a vast Satanic pedophile ring.

and use it as an excuse to declare martial law.

I'll tell you, it looks like a destroyed economy. The billionaire class still needs its worker bees. Martial law will not happen country wide.

is wildly inaccurate.

Isn’t that your tagline?

This is trolling.

Hope has to eventually lead to actions. But there is no general public will for it.

The American people, as a generalization, are selfish and ignorant and they want to stay that way. They just want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine. No matter what is happening.

Because if they can pewpew a white woman in the face in broad daylight in front on dozens of witnesses and on camera and nothing happens to them? That is a blank check to go hog wild.

general public react?

I found this on the History channel website:

Aftermath of the Kent State Shooting
Following the shooting, the university was immediately ordered closed, and the campus remained shut down for some six weeks following the shootings.
Numerous investigatory commissions and court trials followed, during which members of the Ohio National Guard testified that they felt the need to discharge their weapons because they feared for their lives.
However, disagreements remain as to whether they were, in fact, under sufficient threat to use force.
In a civil suit filed by the injured Kent State students and their families, a settlement was reached in 1979 in which the Ohio National Guard agreed to pay those injured in the events of May 4, 1970 a total of $675,000.
https://www.history.com/articles/kent-state-shooting

I don’t recall hearing of massive protests in reaction to the students being killed, but it did change the way the National Guard is utilized in the United States. It changed because again - they screwed up and killed some white people that time.

The reaction in Bloomington was shock and fear. Our campus had a large meadow in the center. Most of us walked through it to get to buildings where we had classes. For months, it was also the site of protests. Before Kent State, it was a very pretty, laid back scene. The idea of anyone being attacked was far from our mind.

So many kids were afraid to leave their dorms that the university organized a candlelight memorial.

However, it was shocking hearing that many adults followed the Nixon administration's view that the kids provoked the guard.

There are a lot of poems emerging now about including from Amanda Gorman so it remains to be seen how this falls out in the near and even far future

to anything that doesn't fit their narrow world view.

Give us a sec. It’s deep winter in MN.

Minor protests?

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/huge-crowd-at-minneapolis-protest-against-ice-after-killing-of-renee-macklin-good

Maybe a couple thousand in a city of hundreds of thousands.

They are arresting protestors for being to loud. I would also note that if protesting doesn't make people uncomfortable, it isn't protesting. They are, very literally, torturing and murdering people with impunity but let's arrest the boisterous protestors?

Lastly, they aren't investigating shit. They have been cut out of the investigation by the government. They have no access to any formal evidence in the case. Any case they form would be based on here say at best and could never be brought to court.

And it was not the only protest over the murder of Renee Good.

https://www.facebook.com/BringMeTheNews/posts/this-is-the-scene-in-minneapolis-on-saturday-as-a-huge-crowd-gathered-to-protest/905592975481717/

Might as well just voluntarily hop into the wood shredder.

what the outcome will be. History has proven that demonstrating is impactful and can effect change.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/25/protests-effective-history-impact

There’s more than ample evidence to present to a State Grand Jury based on the videos and on direct eyewitness testimony. There’s nothing the Feds can do to stop the State investigation, and video footage combined with eyewitness testimony is by far the most convincing for Grand Juries and eventually for Trial Juries.

He's been whisked away to safety from justice.

It is said that Jesus was a type of Isaac. People might want to ask what Isaac was a type of? Knowing the answer to that will explain Hitler's Germany and the European slave trade against Africans, as well as current events here in the U.S. Isaac is key.

than when Floyd died. Maybe Walz’s attempt to tamp things down the other day worked?Or maybe you’re right that people just arent engaged.

The Floyd protests were not as orderly/organized. But the numbers appear similar.

A massive crowd congregated at Powderhorn Park, a few blocks from where Macklin Good was killed on Wednesday.

Protestors lined the streets of Minneapolis and beyond yeserday as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q9ir64/at_the_minneapolis_minnesota_rally_and_protest/

Hopefully, tension doesnt spill over to violence like it did in the summer of 2020.

I’ll grant you it maybe apples/oranges comparing the two Minneapolis-centric events. With so much going on around the world since Christmas, it’s hard to stay as informed on things as I’d like sometimes!

I am glad to hear people there are passionate about this.

and people aren't just engaged, they are enraged! People are getting involved who weren't involved in the George Floyd protests. Our neighbors are being kidnapped from their jobs and stores and right off the streets - sometimes just leaving their cars in the middle of the street. Restaurants have had to close because their staff is afraid to come to work. A high school was invaded on Wednesday, and now the schools are closed and having to offer on-line teaching. Yesterday's rally was huge, especially considering it was created on only two days' notice, unlike the No Kings rallies, and it was very cold - yet some ten thousand people showed up. I've never seen a more engaged community. This isn't going to stop or shrink.

I wasnt aware of some of the things you mentioned.

I’ve vacationed in the Twin Cities a couple times, both before 2020. I love the people there!

I hate you’re so close to what’s happening. Be safe!

In January. There were more in Augusta and more demonstrations are being organized.

Your negativity serves no good purpose. I respectfully suggest you help or step aside. It’s too late for pessimism.

Everyone one in my Central, Maine town seems to be looking forward to the Nov. 2026 election. Bad news for Republicans.

LOT on our plate-- to defeat this fascist monster..

I agree that many in this country do support it.

But I disagree that one has to be in the streets to show they oppose it.

still showed up. I'm heartend that people are in the streets all over the state and beyond.

Floyd was killed in the month of May and protests got out of hand because they were largely unorganzied and infiltrated by rightwing disruptors. I don't want a repeat of that.

in the streets who had been wanting to get out. It was safer for them to be in the crowds.

It's not good to compare. There are still too many ok with this just as there were and are with what happened to George Floyd but the amount opposed isn't based on who is out.

Especially these days many people Express or show their views online. It's not just about the usual signs, rallies, buttons etc these days. Many people will view posting online about something as activism.

really get the influence of social media.

I think it was social media where Kamala Harris was really hurt. She was getting better crowds than Trump . But she was being destroyed online.

(TV, Papers, Radio) and how much do they support the Administration - which also impacts the reporting of events in a truth-social (haha) way.

Mark Kelly talks for me.

The people are smart enough to see that the rethug magas want nothning more than an excuse to go full bore and start causing riots and having even more excuses to start a war in the streets so they can declare martial law and shut it all down through brute force anc shut down all elections

Is Now”. That is one of the signs at the protest I was at today. We have not lost yet, however, we can’t slowdown at this point or we will have…
A big thank you to all got out today, in the cold and the wet and not so pleasant conditions. This thing is much more important than our momentary comfort…

Disagree, we have just begun the real fight, serious mobilization and defiance will mount with every crime committed by the Regime. We will prevail.

over 1000 miles away, so I would be willing to bet that there were protests all over this country. Certainly not as strong as in the middle of the summer because lots of places are still snowed in, but the anger is still there and seething. By the way, where did you go to protest? I don’t believe you mentioned that.

For good and bad we are a sleeping bear and that fucker is starting to wake up.

Did we not end slavery even though John Brown failed to generate enough support?

Did we not legalize same sex marriage even though the Stonewall riot didn't garner support?

Have we not changed our outlook and the prognosis of HIV in spite of the initial public revulsion?

Hope is always bloody. It's not always an immediate win. And that's okay. You just have to keep going. If you're tired and not positive, it's okay to take some time, go do something relaxing, or volunteer where you can see good now.

Just today I picked up 2 car loads of donated food to help feed my community. Does it solve all hunger? Nope, but it helps someone today. Tomorrow I'm helping coach a Special Olympics class. Are those athletes going to be challenging Simone Biles? No, but they are going to be getting exercise, being part of a community, getting a little bit better as athletes.

We aren't going to be rid either of Trump (unless he finally has that heart attack he's overdue for), or the other people who support him (and similar movements in Brazil, France, Italy, the UK, Hungary, etc) tomorrow no matter what happens. Politics is slow. The legal system is slow. It sucks that it benefits people like Trump. But Hitler and Napoleon and Mussolini all fell too. So will Trump.

Your comments are spot on. The single most important measure of the success of our collective efforts are the results at the ballot box. The nationwide protests that began early last year have translated into huge support for Democratic candidates in elections all across the country.

Democrats have won elections in deep red districts, something that would have been unheard of in 2024. Recent polling continues to show that more than 60% of the country opposes what Trump and this administration is doing.

Yes, we will prevail but we need to stay in the fight and not allow cynicism and negativity to sap our energy.

Keep up the great work you are doing to improve the lives of folks in your local community!

Correct – protests won’t change anything, the great majority don’t care.

Indeed, it’s this disengagement, apathy, and willful ignorance that brought about the fascist Trump regime.

The American Experiment has failed.

It's failed, so what now?

We need our Democratic and Republican (ya, I know) leaders to step up and lead. But it is chillingly reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

I knew that when he won the R nomination in June 2024 that if he returned to the Oval Office, they would press the gas pedal and GO, Go, GO!.

And they have. Complete chaos every day.Multiple unlawful activities daily. Doing crypto deals, real estate deals, accepting ‘gifts’, his entire family getting deals and kickbacks.

The cruelty, lies, and hate is amped up.

Yes. I believe we’ve lost the country this past summer.
Yes, I will continue to go to rallies, write postcards, and help get out the vote because I must continue doing what I can.

The fact that the entire senate Dems are still just talking …… shows us that they don’t know what to do.

IMO, every Dem Governor needs to mobilize their National Guards NOW. We need to start Civil Defense training …just like WW 2.

Now that the Republican fascist criminal syndicate has a huge Homeland Security Budget and most elected officials are being complacent …. They’re taking the show Global.

I was at a great protest today, I’ll keep showing up. But we need millions every day, everywhere.

It seems that the country will collapse from within with a whimper.

I don’t see a leader that will rally 25 million people to confront the evil.

Glad that many lawsuits have been successful. But, we know that he’ll ignore what he doesn’t like.

We need to realize that there are THOUSANDS of seditious co-conspirators who are US Citizens. Trump is just a lounge comic…

We need to arrest and prosecute all of them! Convict and sentence to death penalty. This will keep happening until the people finally are willing to risk their own lives. Many will perish. We need Democracy 2.0 , the constitution is flawed . The three branches of government, electoral college, etc. all need to go.

We need socialist democracy !

(PS. Not interest in debating my opinion. I know what’s happening and where this is going. THIS is a 5 alarm Fire.

Only a couple blue states even have the death penalty and it is reserved for the most heinous crimes.

What would "they" be charged with where that was even an option?

Over in that we’re now subject to the tyranny of the Imperial Presidency and unitary executive dogma; subject to the tyranny of presidents who are above the law subject to neither Congress nor the courts at liberty to violate the law with impunity – including murdering US citizens.

And all of this the consequence of the apathy and indifference of the American people – the majority of whom either support the fascist Trump regime or shrug off Trump’s crimes and abuse of power because they believe there’s nothing they can do about it.

The ultimate blame belongs to the Founding Generation and their unwarranted fear of the people; the fear that the people with direct access to the levers of governance posed a threat to the powerful elite, denying the people the means by which to remove tyrants like Trump from power.

There are plenty of evil magas out there who are also competent I honestly believe most Americans don’t see the danger. I’m having a hard time myself, but every day drip, drip, drip. When I hear people say trump is terrified, I think, he doesn’t look so scared to me but I am.

I think it is quite the opposite.

Why are the ICE thugs so angry that would shoot an innocent American for pretty much doing nothing? Because they KNOW they've lost the public.

Heck, the reason she was out there is because people all over the country are standing up to the ICE thugs.

If they were actually winning there would be no resistance. The fact that such mild resistance gets them angry enough to KILL tells us how much we are actually winning.

And if you think these kinds of things do not affect public opinion I believe you are mistaken.

Both the senseless killing and the outright lies and coverup of the Administration break through to people.

Not only allowing but seeming to encourage the killing of innocent people in our country will turn a blue wave into a blue tsunami--not only at the ballot box in November for federal elections, but in state and local elections all over the country.

I know it is easy to be cynical, but every election stands on its own. We have an electorate that is not required to vote, and as such we never know who is going to show up. Things like this may not motivate everyone to get out and protest, but it will motivate a hell of a lot of people to vote...against this.

We cannot let them get away with this!

rallies today.

a strong MAJORITY of the country is against all this,
especially Democrats and especially independents, whom
as we all know are the deciding factor in most elections---
and especially Hispanics and the young,
who tried to believe his lies and made the difference
in the 2024 election have now turned very strongly against them!


It's the middle of winter now, it's COLD outside---
not 'protest weather' by any means---
but many of the younger and stronger in these cities are doing it anyway,
while many of those of us older and weaker
are heating our homes with our anger against these fucking nazi-wannabees!!!


SPRING is COMING, eventually----
and THEN I believe you will see bigger protests
than we have seen since the Vietnam war!!!!


Shooting women in the face, especially (sadly) WHITE women
who are actually U.S. citizens,
is 'a bridge too far' for most Americans---

(and regardless of what any rabid maggots think,
they are a small minority whose minds can't be changed
short of re-education camps, but we shouldn't give a fuck about them!
YEAH, their news propaganda networks are SCREAMING LOUD right now,
because they KNOW that they are extremely WRONG and FUCKED!)

This murder of Good was an 'inflection point',
and the 'slow burn' of the vast majority of Americans is now underway!

Don't expect a larger 'instant response' in the dead of winter,
but the response is inevitable!

Have faith, friend!

I relate to the pessimists, but appreciate the optimists and hang on their every word.

Back in my bad old wild days, I used to say before the throwing of hands "I've jumped over bigger guys than you to get to the fight."

They are cowards with hired goons. Fuck them.

If you're done, stand aside while the rest of us still give a shit.

Is to express frustration at the apathy and complete lack of urgency in this country. It wasn't just the shooting of Good. They shot two more people the very next day. It also wasnt the first time they shot people. Also not the first people they killed. Several have died in custody.
Some, including US citizens, have been held in secret, no charges, being left handcuffed to a bed in a hospital for weeks

My point is that they have declared war on us and we are still admonishing people to be kind and polite and not raise their voices, all while they are beating us will clubs and choking us with chemical gas.

The EU and other former allies have literally threatened war if we try to invade places like Greenland or Mexico or Canada or Colombia.
We are closer to WWIII then at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis and I grew up during the Cold War.

Yes, there are protests but they are small by any measure.
France had hundreds of thousands of people on the streets to protest, literally burning stuff down, because of a small increase in the retirement age.

My point is that we are facing a very serious situation but most people, not all, appear to be more worried about protestors than what they are protesting.

and accuse people of a lack of urgency? Our city is fucking occupied! I got pissed off just reading that accusation. You want to see fury, rage, determination and urgency, come here. Stand on any street corner. There's plenty of it to go around.

You can't know what most people are more worried about.

You have been informed repeatedly by multiple people that your rant is misinformed but you persist. So what do you want from this thread? Everyone to surrender?

What's your real point?

What’s this we shit! No

So far we don't have one of those. When things get WAY worse, perhaps one will emerge. By then, however, it'll probably be too late in a surveillance state like this one.

for starters. We can't effect much, without political power.

The U.S. is a very large country with a diverse population.

"Don't get fooled." What now?

I personally feel we have not yet reached the point of our last chance!! Yea know what your saying, BUT a LOT of DU'ers (myself included) are waiting on results of 2026 election! WE gotta at least have HOPE in this! THEN i feel EVERYTHING is on the table IF and only IF winning both house does not stop these fuckers!! If that's the case it will be bad when us TRUE Americans get really pissed off, and fight back. Hope i don't need to go any further here!! Hang in there with us. We will WIN this final battle!!

SMH. We have to get the mic back to people who focus solely on core issues and take into account the feelings and goals of our Democratic Party members and would-be members. Right now, best I can tell, a lot of people are being falsely persuaded that all we have to do is sit back and let the "fascists" scare voters back to us. That's living in a dreamworld. It's just lazy.