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mikelewis

(4,583 posts)
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:27 PM 13 hrs ago

A conspiracy theory: Why did the FBI kick out local law enforcement?

So coming from a background where I've seen a shit show or two in my day, my natural gut reaction isn't to assume everyone has turned into Nazi Zombies and we need to start barricading the doors.

For me, looking at the case and especially the video evidence, which by the way, I'm actually an expert in... or so they say. This case touched my heart and I don't do this work anymore but I wanted to see what was happening through a lens I trusted. I wasn't looking for a devil per se, just the devil in the details.

And there's one big detail that just bothers the shit out of me... the FBI.

Yes, I understand who they were, who they are and who they can be... that's not the FBI I know. In my personal experience , there are great people who work there that I trust completely...

I don't know the devils... though I do know a few jerks. It's a job like any other... just with a hyper-inflated sense that they are called to a higher mission. Sort of like priests with guns and really good aim. They do tend to have pretty strong ego's.

So when I tell you that the FBI blocking local law enforcement out of the investigation, I'm telling you that's extremely rare. Extremely. That throws all sorts of alarms bells and I've no clue as to how they are going to justify this action. It's not actually legal, per se. Federal law doesn't supercede local law, it's reinforces it. That's how the Constitution works. We are united states... not subjects.

trump actually made that point in the abortion case, turning over the abortion issue to the states and arguing that the states laws cannot be superceded by the Federal governement. So there's no real legal basis for kicking out local law enforcement.

The only thing I can think of is that since she was labeled a "Domestic Terrorist" prior to the event, it becomes a Homeland Security issue and thus the FBI are subject to those rules. The FBI couldn't actually allow locals then as they are hog tied behind a Homeland Security directive.

If that's the case, it's these directives we need to see. In the future, in the FOIA's, we need to know at what point Good was labeled a terrorist. What are the rules of engagement for "Domestic Terrorists" and is there any appeal to the government or are you just screwed?

But mainly, how did the FBI reach the legal justification to block out any local law enforcement?

They're not even allowed to investigate anything. It's a total blackout. That's highly unusual.

So the conspiracy theory part...

One thing bothers me that makes no sense... How did we get the shooters cell phone video?

That makes no sense. That video makes it absolutely clear this was a crime of passion and not a terrorist plot foiled.
So, how is that video out? Did he release it on TikTok? Who did he send it to? How on Earth do we have it?

Something is wrong there... it just is. I don't know of any law enforcement agency that would have released that to the public. They just wouldn't. No matter what it showed. That's evidence and it's now prejudiced. No law team would ever release that... and they shouldn't. Watch Law and Order, it's like on every episode!

So who did?

And why?

And is that why the FBI kicked out local law enforcement?

I've no idea... but I can tell, something is amiss and it does seem that someone on the inside is ensuring we are getting the real picture. That video is damning... for anyone who knows anything about how these cases are investigated and tried... if the shooter wasn't instantly protected by the president and his ugly jackal gnoem... that video would have put him in an electric chair. No investigator is going to risk losing that evidence.

So it's not much of a conspiracy I know, but it's one that serious people will take very seriously one day. There are going to be answers for why the FBI locked out the locals. That's simply not done... nor is releasing damning evidence that can possibly be used against a suspect. Something is majorly wrong here. I have donned my tinfoil cap, once again.

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A conspiracy theory: Why did the FBI kick out local law enforcement? (Original Post) mikelewis 13 hrs ago OP
Great post. Unless there's some policy stating that blocking traffic underpants 13 hrs ago #1
They want to control the narrative and make it all go away. Klarkashton 13 hrs ago #2
"She was labelled a "Domestic Terrorist" prior to the event??? Seriously? niyad 13 hrs ago #3
The whole narrative falls apart with the smallest amount of scrutiny sboatcar 13 hrs ago #5
I think the what the OP meant to say was that she was labeled a domestic terrorist Ocelot II 13 hrs ago #6
No, the OP specifically said "prior". Rather hard to mix up "prior" and niyad 12 hrs ago #10
My understanding is that the agent gave the video directly to Alpha News, Ocelot II 13 hrs ago #4
"My question is, why was Ross recording the incident in the first place?" ICE has told its agents to record so as to WhiskeyGrinder 13 hrs ago #9
In this case, though, he might have been specifically tasked to record for Alpha News. Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #13
He was hoping the situation would escalate sboatcar 12 hrs ago #11
The video was released to a fascist propaganda site Bok_Tukalo 13 hrs ago #7
I think you're right. I might even go so far as to suggest that he'd agreed in advance Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #12
It ain't that deep. The Trump administration is trying to hamper Minnesota on every front. WhiskeyGrinder 13 hrs ago #8
Right on. We are occupied by hostile forces. Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #15
Yep. And Minnesota has always loomed larger in the right wing's sights for decades, and the opportunity to punish us is WhiskeyGrinder 12 hrs ago #16
trump's regime is lawless period, they do not adhere vapor2 12 hrs ago #14
Agreed. Also, many problems implicated here: snot 12 hrs ago #17
I think it's much simpler than all of the above - Jury poisoning dickthegrouch 11 hrs ago #18
This will never get as far as a jury. The regime will see to it that he's never prosecuted. Ocelot II 10 hrs ago #19

underpants

(195,024 posts)
1. Great post. Unless there's some policy stating that blocking traffic
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:36 PM
13 hrs ago

and doing so to interfere with ICE is Domestic Terrorism then they couldn’t have predetermined that she was a Domestic Terrorist. I seriously doubt there was any radio chatter stating that on that day. The whole thing escalated in 7 seconds if memory serves.

I’m sure the FBI has a field office there but wouldn’t locals has a vast source of information, informants, you know - local knowledge? That’s why, as you say, cutting them out if any case makes no sense.

Klarkashton

(4,742 posts)
2. They want to control the narrative and make it all go away.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:37 PM
13 hrs ago

They know that the bastard murdered the woman and they don't want that to get in the way of their "mission"

niyad

(129,682 posts)
3. "She was labelled a "Domestic Terrorist" prior to the event??? Seriously?
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:38 PM
13 hrs ago

Could you please cite the link? puppykiller cosplay barbie labelled her as such AFTER she was MURDERED in rage-fueled hatred, as a pathetic attempt at justification. We have all seen the videos, so please stop.

sboatcar

(731 posts)
5. The whole narrative falls apart with the smallest amount of scrutiny
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:41 PM
13 hrs ago

Taking the investigation away from the state makes it easier for them to push their bullshit agenda, which is obviously bullshit.

Ocelot II

(129,171 posts)
6. I think the what the OP meant to say was that she was labeled a domestic terrorist
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:41 PM
13 hrs ago

as soon as the incident came to her attention, without any investigation or knowledge of the details - which is exactly what happened. And now they have to support the narrative, somehow.

niyad

(129,682 posts)
10. No, the OP specifically said "prior". Rather hard to mix up "prior" and
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:52 PM
12 hrs ago

"after", one would think.

Ocelot II

(129,171 posts)
4. My understanding is that the agent gave the video directly to Alpha News,
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:39 PM
13 hrs ago

which is a local right-wing "news" website. One of its principal reporters is Liz Collin, who is married to MAGA former police union head Bob Kroll. Collin had been a news anchor at the local CBS affiliate and they had to take her off all police-related stories. https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/alpha-news/ Chances are very good that Ross knows Kroll. I agree that the video doesn't exonerate Ross but he and DHS must think it does; or else they at least think it portrays Good and her wife in a negative light, to help further their narrative that the Goods were domestic terrorists and she got what she deserved. My question is, why was Ross recording the incident in the first place? He started recording as he approached the car from the other side; what was he expecting to have happen that needed recording?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,391 posts)
9. "My question is, why was Ross recording the incident in the first place?" ICE has told its agents to record so as to
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:48 PM
13 hrs ago

create recruiting content.

Ocelot II

(129,171 posts)
13. In this case, though, he might have been specifically tasked to record for Alpha News.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:55 PM
12 hrs ago

sboatcar

(731 posts)
11. He was hoping the situation would escalate
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:53 PM
12 hrs ago

He pulled his gun before her car even started moving......he already had it in his head that someone was going to get hurt by him.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,526 posts)
7. The video was released to a fascist propaganda site
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:42 PM
13 hrs ago

I believe Jonathan Ross released the video to the site. I believe Jonathan Ross began recording in order to release a video to the site.

I am not yet ready to believe he was creating a snuff film for fascist consumption but I believe he was creating video content for that reason. A little “rough-up-the-blue-hair-pronoun” as content.

My “conspiracy theory.”

Ocelot II

(129,171 posts)
12. I think you're right. I might even go so far as to suggest that he'd agreed in advance
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:53 PM
12 hrs ago

to provide Alpha News with video of an encounter with a protester in which he could be seen as the tough federal agent righteously showing some hippie loser who's boss, even going so far as to pull his gun on her (switching the phone to his left hand). I don't think he intended to actually shoot anybody when he started recording, but I can't think of any conceivable reason for recording the encounter on his private cellphone, other than to create content for social media.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,391 posts)
8. It ain't that deep. The Trump administration is trying to hamper Minnesota on every front.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:48 PM
13 hrs ago

And the shooter shared the video with Alpha News himself.

Something feels "majorly wrong here" because it is. But it's not hidden. It's in plain sight. The feds aren't operating lawfully and they don't give a shit about it.

Ocelot II

(129,171 posts)
15. Right on. We are occupied by hostile forces.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:57 PM
12 hrs ago

The Trump regime clearly regards blue states and cities as alien adversaries to be conquered.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,391 posts)
16. Yep. And Minnesota has always loomed larger in the right wing's sights for decades, and the opportunity to punish us is
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:58 PM
12 hrs ago

what motivates so many of them.

vapor2

(3,798 posts)
14. trump's regime is lawless period, they do not adhere
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:56 PM
12 hrs ago

to our constitution. They are clearly doing a cover up and protecting this murderer. It's that simple. Noem just added a 7 day notice for congress overseeing ICE facilities. (went above court orders). She NEEDS to be impeached/removed. This shit scares me and wish we could leave the country. So few in congress restraining these vile, cruel monsters.

snot

(11,528 posts)
17. Agreed. Also, many problems implicated here:
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 01:20 PM
12 hrs ago

E.g., there does not seem to be any clear definition of "terrorist," at least not one I'd be comfortable agreeing with; and the process by which someone gets labelled a "terrorist" seems to take place secretly and without any meaningful checks or balances.

I also remain confused about who's got authority over what, especially when it comes to ICE. Do they have the same rights, powers, authorities, duties, as State police, or not? What is the legal hierarchy as to who gets to overrule who?

I have genuine hope that at some point, a few cases are going to get to the US Supreme Court and get decided in a way that will impose at least some limits on what Trump and the feds can do – Trump certainly seems intent on pushing those limits in every possible direction, and I don't believe the S. Ct. is fully committed to enabling totalitarianism. But I hope they start setting limits before it's too late.


dickthegrouch

(4,306 posts)
18. I think it's much simpler than all of the above - Jury poisoning
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 02:26 PM
11 hrs ago

It will be exceptionally hard to find jurors who haven't seen the video and have already formed an opinion.

Nullify that idea by empaneling all attorneys, who, in theory, are subject to their ethics compulsions.

Ocelot II

(129,171 posts)
19. This will never get as far as a jury. The regime will see to it that he's never prosecuted.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 02:54 PM
10 hrs ago

The state might try, but they are being deprived of access to crucial evidence, so it's unlikely that there will be a state trial either - unless it's years from now (there's no statute of limitations for murder), but the passage of time causes evidentiary problems too.

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