That would be fine. Now it seems like grave dancing.

How long should I have waited to bring it up then? 6 months? 10 years? Tell me what the appropriate time would be. Never?

We can argue about relative levels for assigning punishment. But still it's rape.

In California, for example, consensual sexual contact between an 18-20 year old and a 16-17 year old, while technically considered unlawful intercourse or statutory rape, is neither reportable by mandated reporters, nor is prosecuted by local district attorneys.

Weir co-founded the Grateful Dead (originally known as the Warlocks), in 1965 when he was 17 turning 18.

If you have some specific anecdotes of Weir having sexual contacts with minors, and the ages of both him and the minors at the time, please share them, as it is rather pointless to criticize and judge him post mortem without specifics.

Does that qualify as pedophilia to you?

Since pedophiles are only sexually attracted/aroused by prepubescent children, which is why the crime is called unlawful intercourse or unlawful sexual contact with a minor or colloquially, statutory rape, which Weir’s behaviour you described certainly qualifies as (I wonder if that is why they married- some states allow marriages that young)

Sexual contact with a prepubescent child is typically charged as child sexual abuse, or something similar, to distinguish it from unlawful intercourse with a teen.

(I’m a retired therapist who worked part of my career with survivors of childhood sexual abuse)

Really?

Did I say anything false or inaccurate?

Did I show a lack of compassion for victims of sexual abuse, or just a contempt for recreational outrage and clickbaity posts?

a 30 + year old and a 15 year old is FUCKED UP. All you said it was illegal, sometimes.

And any sexual contact between a 15 year old and a 30-something adult is illegal, AFAIK, in all 50 states, unless they are married which some states allow.

That’s not downplaying anything it’s just a statement of facts.

You seem to want pick a fight rather than have discussion, or at least insist that everyone responding nod along in agreement, without adding any context, details or asking any questions.

Have fun.

He met her but from what I read he did not.

He slept with many underaged girls.

What you are doing is character assassination. This is a pathetic. You should delete this post. It is grave dancing.

What planet are you living on? And he was with many underaged girls too.

As much as we ignore it this, times have changed since the ‘60s and ‘70s, and Bobby engaged in the “rock’ n roll” lifestyle. He wasn’t the only one. Read about Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, etc. Did Bobby target underage girls? I truly doubt it. Did he target attractive younger women? Absolutely. Did he ask for proof of age? I’d guess not. He did meet his future wife when she was 15 and married her when she was 31. They remained married and have two daughters. This thread shows there are assholes everywhere, even on DU.

I don't think citing Zeppelin and the Stones helps your case much. lol

I remember a couple from high school,
juniors and they were having sex.
Could the boy have been sent to jail?
They both would have been 15 or 16 year old.

Assuming it was mutually consensual, Not in California.

But why do you ask about just the boy?

if it were't Bob Weir.

The clinical definition of pedophilia? Go look in a DSMV- there’s no mention of either Bob Weir or Jeffery Epstein, or any other specific individual, just symptoms and behaviour patterns.

Did you miss the part where I was a licensed therapist working in children’s mental health for over 30 years?

Pedophilia is a diagnosis, but not a crime unless/until someone acts on their urges.

Child sexual abuse is a crime that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. People who sexually abuse teenagers are not pedophiles (which IMO is just a lazy catch all epithet), they are rapists and often have antisocial personality disorder/sociopathy.

“Statutory rape” is black and white in some people’s minds, dependent solely on the birthdates of those involved, but in the real world, there is quite a bit of gray area, such as the example of of the teen couple where one person is 19, the other 17 - if the contact is consensual, do you still prosecute the 19 year old? They don’t in California.

As for the poster’s anecdote about Bob Weir, I said it was wrong, and, depending on the state, fits the criteria for statutory rape/unlawful sexual contact with a minor, but diagnostically it’s not pedophilia. If my precisely worded statement strikes you as minimizing or excusing Weir’s behaviour, that is your interpretation, perhaps emotional projection, but it’s not my message.

Not sure how I can be any clearer about my position.

But you knew that right?

See my post #3 for the rest of my reply.

…from the Democratic Party?


The purity spiral rages like a hurricane.

I said 'I know it was a different time and Im not saying people burn their records', but that he should be openly criticized.' So why are you making shit up about banning people?

…we’re expected to offer a denunciation and and beg for forgiveness each time we post anything that he’s associated with?

That’s really generous.

Thank you.

girls tend to like bikers or cowboys or rockers. that is why boys take that turn

if I'm her father the punishment is "grounded for a month" but i bet mom gives her parole.

rock and rollers since jerry lee lewis consider this a 'perk." i;d rather they play guitars than ar 15s. when they get as old as kieth richards this begins to sound creepy.

the jokes are not funny, but this is a different problem.

but consider changing your OP title.

Weir didn't have a fucking thing to do with Epstein.

Click bait horseshit.

a woman named Frankie Hart began a live-in relationship that lasted six years. According to his wiki bio, his only marriage occurred in 1999, when he was 52. A very different bio than what you are presenting. I make no assessments as to either version, since I knew nothing about him until this morning.

... common among rock stars and their groupies - going back to Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry. It might have even been common way back with Frank Sinatra and Al Jolson. It's not like preying on 10-year-olds at the local park... but I'm not suggesting there's an "excuse" for the behavior. So you're in a big rock band and 15-year-olds are screaming for you... and, you're on some dandy Deadhead drugs... I can see how it happened... but, yeah, by age 30, you should have some decency. You should know it's not right.

Your concern is noted.

Oh, and fuck Trump and Epstein.

I don't really remember what it was about. Not vital enough to give my full attention.

His slept with his future wife when she was 15, he was in his 30s

Bob Weir's wife, Natascha Münter, was 15 years old when she first met him backstage after a show.
The relationship was initially platonic for many years. They did not begin dating until much later, after Jerry Garcia's death in 1995, and as Weir was nearing his 50s. They eventually married in 1999.

Bob Weir and his wife, Natascha Münter, have an age difference of approximately 20 years.
They met after a show when she was 15 years old, but their relationship became romantic years later when she was 22 and he was approaching 50. They married in July 1999, at which point Bob Weir was 51 and Natascha Münter was 31.
Bob Weir is survived by Natascha and their two daughters, Shala Monet and Chloe Kaelia. Weir passed away on January 10, 2026, at the age of 78.

Easily refuted with Google. Go peddle your bullshit somewhere else.

Nice fella, knowledgeable guy, became associated with the Grateful Dead in 1980.

But he had a book to sell in more recent times.

The thing about Weir...he was very handsome. I've read a ton of stories about how he literally had to fight off groupies.

Did he have sex with underaged girls? I have no idea, that's why I'm not going to say much more.

exactly inspiring.

It was almost 40 years ago that I met him. Just a brief chat.

I don't know anything about his beliefs. I reserve judgement on Weir's activities until I read what was said.

Also, I'd probably take whatever was written with a grain of salt anyway...he had a book to sell.

He's likely talking about young groupies, who were well known to be obsessed with Weir.

But what happened with those groupies? I'll never know, and I wouldn't put 100% faith in anything that is written about him.

Maybe people were expressing their condolences because he just died yesterday.

Some book (which has received praise, so, totally legit) says Bob Weir was "with" a lot of underage girls. So that makes him a pedophilic sex trafficker comparable to Epstein.

Time for the annual crap on an American icon for any reason whatsoever and compare him to MAGAts, apparently.

What did they say about Bob Weird? Why are they kept hidden for national insecurity reasons? Surely it is THIS -- and nothing else -- that will determine the outcome of the universal forces of good versus evil today.

leaves me not at all sure about your claims about what that book said - whether you're accurately representing what the book said. Or, even if you are, whether that author had any real information to back up what was said in the book.

I also want to point out that according to what I've read, any number of places over the years, it was common for underage groupies to have fake IDs - good enough IDs to get them into bars so they could pursue rock stars there. Which I have no trouble believing because I had teenaged friends with fake IDs (not groupies; they just wanted to get into bars).

I have no trouble believing that Bob was pursued by lots of women, some of them groupies. No trouble believing, either, that some of the groupies might have been under the age of consent.

But I don't have any reason to believe he "was with a lot of underaged girls" that he knew were underage.

factually in error, just like your OP linking Taylor Swift and the illegal south african nazi, and yet you have removed neither of them, it simply confirms what I have long suspected about your posts. Most disappointing.

all the way through the thread. Very distressing. You might also look at the link in post 54 about their OP on Taylor Swift. Also very distressing.

pointing out weaknesses in the OP's accusation, not linking to the older OP.

Good luck

several famous songs reference it, even the Beatles

"She was just seventeen, if you know what I mean"

as described by the OP is, to say the least, bs. Even I, who had never even heard Bob Weir's name before his death was announced, discovered that in less than two minutes of searching.

any reviewers with whom I am familiar, nor in any venues with which I am familiar.