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I will NEVER forget or forgive those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and VP Harris in 2024!!! (Original Post) lostincalifornia 11 hrs ago OP
Or Al Gore in 2000 for that matter Zambero 11 hrs ago #1
Message auto-removed Name removed 11 hrs ago #3
I will never forgive Nader LetMyPeopleVote 9 hrs ago #16
"But her emails!!11" "She got paid to give speeches!!11" "Warmonger" mcar 11 hrs ago #2
What does never forgiving get us? Big Blue Marble 11 hrs ago #4
I doubt anyone's vote will change because of the OP's sentiment Torchlight 10 hrs ago #5
The attitude is wide spread. Big Blue Marble 10 hrs ago #6
Nor will ineffectual sanctimony Torchlight 10 hrs ago #7
Your comment sounds pretty insulting. Big Blue Marble 10 hrs ago #8
Bumper stickers often speak truth too Torchlight 10 hrs ago #10
Your insults continue. Big Blue Marble 10 hrs ago #12
Obersvations, not insults Torchlight 10 hrs ago #13
Do you want to win more votes or play ostrich? N/T Big Blue Marble 10 hrs ago #9
If I see a viable plan or policy beyond bumper stickers Torchlight 10 hrs ago #11
Sorry that forgiveness is so hard for you. Big Blue Marble 10 hrs ago #14
I'm not buying anything related to people "refusing" to vote for and that contributing to any loss. Chakaconcarne 9 hrs ago #15
Weaponizing the word "establishment" really worked! So many moronic excuses not to vote for progress betsuni 8 hrs ago #17
Or those that will find a reason to do the same in 28 617Blue 8 hrs ago #18
Not this nonsense, again. n/t Ms. Toad 8 hrs ago #19
I feel Almost the same way thought crime 8 hrs ago #20

Zambero

(9,954 posts)
1. Or Al Gore in 2000 for that matter
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 01:26 PM
11 hrs ago

"Divide and conquer" is a long-standing practice aimed at weakening and defeating a political entity that would otherwise be united and capable of victory. When it arises from self-identified progressive individuals such as Ralph Nader, Susan Sarandon, or those Bernie followers who broke for Trump in 2016, it's not only unforgivable, but devastating to a society in terms of its irreparable consequences.

Response to Zambero (Reply #1)

LetMyPeopleVote

(177,965 posts)
16. I will never forgive Nader
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 03:51 PM
9 hrs ago

Remember that Nader was funded by Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

mcar

(45,874 posts)
2. "But her emails!!11" "She got paid to give speeches!!11" "Warmonger"
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 01:36 PM
11 hrs ago

We were called "vagina voters" while deluded idiots on the far left happily voted for Russian asset Jill fcking Stein.

Big Blue Marble

(5,682 posts)
4. What does never forgiving get us?
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 01:46 PM
11 hrs ago

We need to find better ways to communicate to reach these people. Not forgiving only
increases the likelihood they just will stay home or vote for someone else.

It may make you feel better in the short run, but it does not get Democrats elected.
Let''s build bridges, not walls.

Big Blue Marble

(5,682 posts)
6. The attitude is wide spread.
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 02:04 PM
10 hrs ago

The anger is understandable. Many of us felt betrayed by our fellow citizens, who chose
to ignore the facts in front of them.

It is also appropriate for our party to take responsibility to fail to connect, especially
when Trump's team was so effective at reaching into our base.

We do need to move on now and refocus our attention on reaching out for the midterms.
Anger, shame, and rejection will not bring us additional votes.

Torchlight

(6,657 posts)
7. Nor will ineffectual sanctimony
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 02:05 PM
10 hrs ago

Neither will really change the taste of mustard except your own jar.

Big Blue Marble

(5,682 posts)
8. Your comment sounds pretty insulting.
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 02:11 PM
10 hrs ago

There is nothing sanctimonious about speaking the truth.

Torchlight

(6,657 posts)
11. If I see a viable plan or policy beyond bumper stickers
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 02:14 PM
10 hrs ago

and tshirt slogans, I'll certainly allow it all the credibility it warrants

Chakaconcarne

(2,777 posts)
15. I'm not buying anything related to people "refusing" to vote for and that contributing to any loss.
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 03:18 PM
9 hrs ago

betsuni

(28,942 posts)
17. Weaponizing the word "establishment" really worked! So many moronic excuses not to vote for progress
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 04:16 PM
8 hrs ago

righteously preening, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the mostest progressive of them all."

thought crime

(1,432 posts)
20. I feel Almost the same way
Thu Feb 26, 2026, 04:47 PM
8 hrs ago

I will NEVER forget or forgive those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and VP Harris in 2024 and instead, voted for Donald Trump.

I was incredibly disappointed by Kamala's loss and I am still very much "coconut-pilled", but I understand the cause of that catastrophe and it wasn't just because she is female. The election was lost before she became the nominee.

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