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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will NEVER forget or forgive those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and VP Harris in 2024!!!
Zambero
(9,954 posts)"Divide and conquer" is a long-standing practice aimed at weakening and defeating a political entity that would otherwise be united and capable of victory. When it arises from self-identified progressive individuals such as Ralph Nader, Susan Sarandon, or those Bernie followers who broke for Trump in 2016, it's not only unforgivable, but devastating to a society in terms of its irreparable consequences.
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LetMyPeopleVote
(177,965 posts)Remember that Nader was funded by Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html
Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Naders campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the APs Laura Meckler headlined GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads. She opened: Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of, Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: Whats Al Gores real record? Nader says: Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken. Mecklers report continued: A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Naders speeches. Bushs people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....
On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independents Bid a Financial Lift, and reported that the Nader campaign has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party, according to an analysis of federal records. Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egans other friends. Mr. Egans wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year. Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under Swift Boat Veterans for Nader, that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerrys Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Naders signatures in their state (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing states 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bushs big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.
It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bushs real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. Thats why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.
mcar
(45,874 posts)We were called "vagina voters" while deluded idiots on the far left happily voted for Russian asset Jill fcking Stein.
Big Blue Marble
(5,682 posts)We need to find better ways to communicate to reach these people. Not forgiving only
increases the likelihood they just will stay home or vote for someone else.
It may make you feel better in the short run, but it does not get Democrats elected.
Let''s build bridges, not walls.
Torchlight
(6,657 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,682 posts)The anger is understandable. Many of us felt betrayed by our fellow citizens, who chose
to ignore the facts in front of them.
It is also appropriate for our party to take responsibility to fail to connect, especially
when Trump's team was so effective at reaching into our base.
We do need to move on now and refocus our attention on reaching out for the midterms.
Anger, shame, and rejection will not bring us additional votes.
Torchlight
(6,657 posts)Neither will really change the taste of mustard except your own jar.
Big Blue Marble
(5,682 posts)There is nothing sanctimonious about speaking the truth.
Torchlight
(6,657 posts)Best usage is to cover up small scratches.
Big Blue Marble
(5,682 posts)Duly noted.
Torchlight
(6,657 posts)Duly inferred rather than noted
Big Blue Marble
(5,682 posts)Torchlight
(6,657 posts)and tshirt slogans, I'll certainly allow it all the credibility it warrants
Big Blue Marble
(5,682 posts)Wishing you the best.
Chakaconcarne
(2,777 posts)betsuni
(28,942 posts)righteously preening, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the mostest progressive of them all."
617Blue
(2,288 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,464 posts)thought crime
(1,432 posts)I will NEVER forget or forgive those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 and VP Harris in 2024 and instead, voted for Donald Trump.
I was incredibly disappointed by Kamala's loss and I am still very much "coconut-pilled", but I understand the cause of that catastrophe and it wasn't just because she is female. The election was lost before she became the nominee.