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Pic Of The Moment: So You're Saying We Had To Attack Iran Because They Would Have Attacked Us If We Attacked Them (Original Post) EarlG 2 hrs ago OP
Stratospheric genius dalton99a 2 hrs ago #1
Soooo..if Greenland comes under attack by anyone,we should start bombing Bengus81 2 hrs ago #2
Rubio, "We went proactively in a defensive way." Botany 2 hrs ago #3
And there is no way to repair this amount of stupid. joshdawg 41 min ago #40
That line got me too. yellow dahlia 20 min ago #43
Trump had a huge rash, so we needed a distraction Johonny 2 hrs ago #4
Moses Mike too. They've got their story ....and they're sticking with it underpants 2 hrs ago #5
So what you're saying is... D_Master81 2 hrs ago #10
Yyyyyep underpants 2 hrs ago #11
Sounds like the plot of the movie Minority Report. surfered 2 hrs ago #6
It really does PatSeg 2 hrs ago #15
Indeed. yellow dahlia 16 min ago #45
Hill Street Blues Redux no_hypocrisy 2 hrs ago #7
It is too early to start drinking, and I clearly have not had enough niyad 2 hrs ago #8
I feel you orangecrush 2 hrs ago #14
On second thought, and more reading, I thought, "so what if it is too early". niyad 2 hrs ago #19
Coming with you! orangecrush 1 hr ago #22
Yayyyyyy niyad 1 hr ago #23
I like cinnamon pancakes orangecrush 1 hr ago #28
Those are good. So are the chocolate ones. niyad 1 hr ago #29
You're not alone PatSeg 2 hrs ago #16
I hear you. yellow dahlia 14 min ago #46
A most excellent point. There are drinking smilies, but you are correct, niyad 6 min ago #49
It's 2003 all over again D_Master81 2 hrs ago #9
Yes, except Trump didn't even pretend PatSeg 1 hr ago #21
MAGat logic BumRushDaShow 2 hrs ago #12
It's a done deal orangecrush 2 hrs ago #13
" ... so we hit them back first." nt eppur_se_muova 2 hrs ago #17
Remember, Trump was the kid who invented the game of "Make the Baby Cry" to get others to throw rocks at a baby Attilatheblond 1 hr ago #27
I heard the story about throwing rocks. I didn't know the whole story. yellow dahlia 12 min ago #47
Smart people generally hide that they are smart. Stupid people don't have that option. twodogsbarking 2 hrs ago #18
I guess you can't be a part of the regime without having flunked logic class and being an excellent liar. sinkingfeeling 2 hrs ago #20
That's stupid with this gang has no boundaries Clouds Passing 1 hr ago #24
So let's make sure we have this straight: Ol Janx Spirit 1 hr ago #25
We attacked due to a combination of Arab money, and Epstein files. patphil 1 hr ago #26
George Orwell could not have stated it better. Wag Wag Wag the dog! flashman13 1 hr ago #30
Marco Rubio might actually have something. chouchou 1 hr ago #31
Authentic trumpist jibberish... Wounded Bear 1 hr ago #32
How long did it take to cook up this bullshit talking point? Three,four days Bengus81 1 hr ago #33
Jeezus. Joinfortmill 1 hr ago #34
But, but question everything 1 hr ago #35
5D Checkers sleroy49 1 hr ago #36
Do these people understand the words they use?? lastlib 1 hr ago #37
Wow. That IS stupid. mwb970 1 hr ago #38
So I aked AI about the crazy Historic NY 43 min ago #39
Honestly, I'd prefer not to get chatbot output in response to my posts EarlG 32 min ago #41
Game on. Marcuse 28 min ago #42
Can we just fire all the Murdoch republicans already? Initech 18 min ago #44
"...proactively in a defensive way." Gets me - every time I see it. yellow dahlia 7 min ago #48

Bengus81

(10,056 posts)
2. Soooo..if Greenland comes under attack by anyone,we should start bombing
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:34 AM
2 hrs ago

Great way to easily start any fucking War you want and blame it on another Country eh Trump?

joshdawg

(2,946 posts)
40. And there is no way to repair this amount of stupid.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:28 AM
41 min ago

This whole "administration" has set a whole new meaning to stupidity.

Johonny

(25,952 posts)
4. Trump had a huge rash, so we needed a distraction
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:36 AM
2 hrs ago

So we bombed Iran and killed all the leadership.

I mean, it's a pretty big rash, so the actions felt justified at the time. And who knows it might work out. Anyways, on to Cuba.

underpants

(195,927 posts)
5. Moses Mike too. They've got their story ....and they're sticking with it
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:37 AM
2 hrs ago

It’s not just an out of context Rubio clip. This is the second time it’s been articulated this way.

Mike Johnson: “This was a defensive measure…If Israel fired upon Iran and took action against Iran to take out the missiles, then [Iran] would have immediately retaliated against U.S. personnel and assets."


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D_Master81

(2,468 posts)
10. So what you're saying is...
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:44 AM
2 hrs ago

Speaker Johnson basically admitting the US is the cuck, Beta in this war and is only going along with Israel. Way to lead sir.

surfered

(12,833 posts)
6. Sounds like the plot of the movie Minority Report.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:37 AM
2 hrs ago

We think we know what you’re thinking.

PatSeg

(52,960 posts)
15. It really does
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:58 AM
2 hrs ago

So many futuristic dystopian movies are turning out to be prophetic.

yellow dahlia

(5,490 posts)
45. Indeed.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:53 AM
16 min ago

I often say I am at the convergence of every dystopian evil villain futuristic movie and work of literature. Aaargh!

Make Orwell fiction again! Please!

no_hypocrisy

(54,721 posts)
7. Hill Street Blues Redux
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:39 AM
2 hrs ago

Sergeant Stan Jablonski’s "Let's do it to them before they do it to us".

niyad

(131,486 posts)
8. It is too early to start drinking, and I clearly have not had enough
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:39 AM
2 hrs ago

caffeine. I read that thing three times, and it still does not make sense.

niyad

(131,486 posts)
19. On second thought, and more reading, I thought, "so what if it is too early".
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:07 AM
2 hrs ago

But then I remembered that today is National Pancake Day at IHOP, with free shortstack. Cannot miss that!

PatSeg

(52,960 posts)
16. You're not alone
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:01 AM
2 hrs ago

I suppose it is intentionally confusing because their base will just assume it must be very strategic.

yellow dahlia

(5,490 posts)
46. I hear you.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:55 AM
14 min ago

I often say to Mr. Dahlia - at least I haven't started day drinking.

(I need a wine glass in the classic smilies.)

niyad

(131,486 posts)
49. A most excellent point. There are drinking smilies, but you are correct,
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 12:03 PM
6 min ago

I do not recall one for wine.

D_Master81

(2,468 posts)
9. It's 2003 all over again
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:42 AM
2 hrs ago

The “they will attack us if we don’t attack them” line that worked so well in the early 2000s. Death, taxes and Republicans starting middle eastern wars are a sure thing in life

PatSeg

(52,960 posts)
21. Yes, except Trump didn't even pretend
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:10 AM
1 hr ago

he had legitimate, legal grounds for the attacks. At least Bush went through the motions of going to congress to get authorization to use military force. It was all BS of course, but he went to the trouble of putting on a show.

Like a willful child, Trump just does whatever he wants whenever it suits him.

Attilatheblond

(8,643 posts)
27. Remember, Trump was the kid who invented the game of "Make the Baby Cry" to get others to throw rocks at a baby
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:32 AM
1 hr ago

Evil like that does not go away, it just looks for bigger rocks to throw.

yellow dahlia

(5,490 posts)
47. I heard the story about throwing rocks. I didn't know the whole story.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:57 AM
12 min ago

Now...that really cheered up my day.

sinkingfeeling

(57,660 posts)
20. I guess you can't be a part of the regime without having flunked logic class and being an excellent liar.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:08 AM
2 hrs ago

Ol Janx Spirit

(937 posts)
25. So let's make sure we have this straight:
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:27 AM
1 hr ago

Since World War II, America has spent trillions of dollars to build such an imposing military that any country would be out of their mind to attack it outright knowing the consequences. But Iran was poised to do just that if attacked by another country?

Is that kind of like getting challenged to a bar fight by a much smaller opponent but saying, "hang on, I'm going out into the parking lot where five police cars are just waiting for some kind of trouble so I can punch one of those guys instead and just cut out the middle-man"?

No wonder the stock market is reacting today when it really didn't yesterday. It's clear now that not only was there no real plan all along, but they aren't even smart enough to come up with a good reason for it on the fly. That certainly doesn't give anyone confidence in their ability to see this debacle to a good outcome.

patphil

(8,934 posts)
26. We attacked due to a combination of Arab money, and Epstein files.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:31 AM
1 hr ago

The Saudi's paid Trump billions, and Trump needed a distraction from the Epstein debacle.

chouchou

(3,054 posts)
31. Marco Rubio might actually have something.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:37 AM
1 hr ago

It's been a long time since I've had even a little "fender bender" on my car. I also know that there's a few people
that WILL have a fender bender today.
Ha Ha! I'll fool those bastards today and run right into their precious vehicle... I WIN !!

Bengus81

(10,056 posts)
33. How long did it take to cook up this bullshit talking point? Three,four days
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:41 AM
1 hr ago

Operation: FORGET ABOUT EPSTEIN

question everything

(51,980 posts)
35. But, but
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:46 AM
1 hr ago

Senior US officials voiced anger over briefings from the prime minister’s circle suggesting Netanyahu pushed Trump to launch the strike on Iran, saying the president 'needed no persuasion' and acted because it was right for the world and the Middle East

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8ccdqywg

lastlib

(28,000 posts)
37. Do these people understand the words they use??
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:52 AM
1 hr ago

It's like English is a foreign language to them. They just string words together any old way, and think that by using two syllable words, that they're outsmarting the rest of us. But they're only outsmarting 30% of the population. To the other 70%, they are blithering idiots.

"Pro-actively in a defensive way"--they're speaking tautologese.........

Historic NY

(39,922 posts)
39. So I aked AI about the crazy
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:26 AM
43 min ago

According to U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the logic behind this "crazy" phrasing is that the U.S. chose to be the aggressor specifically to prevent a predicted attack on its own troops.
.
Here is the breakdown of why the administration used this specific term:

The "Proactive" Part: The U.S. launched strikes on Iranian leadership and missile sites before any American assets had been hit.
The "Defensive" Part: Rubio argued that intelligence showed Iran had already "pre-positioned" missiles to strike U.S. bases the moment Israel began its own planned attack. By striking first, the U.S. claimed it was "defending" its personnel from an "imminent" threat.
Avoiding "Absorbing a Blow": The core of the argument is that waiting to be attacked would have resulted in "more casualties and more deaths". Rubio stated the U.S. would not "sit there and absorb a blow" when it knew a strike was coming.

Critics, including some members of Congress and international legal experts, have called this a "war of choice" disguised as defense, noting that the "imminent threat" was based on a prediction of how Iran might react to a third party (Israel).
Do you want to know more about how Congress is reacting to this "proactively defensive" justification?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio Remarks to Press
Mar 2, 2026 — SECRETARY RUBIO: There absolutely was an imminent threat, and the imminent threat was that we knew that if Iran was attacked – and...
U.S. Department of State (.gov)
U.S. embassy in Riyadh hit by drones - CNBC
Mar 2, 2026 — "We knew that if Iran was attacked, and we believed they would be attacked, that they would immediately come after us," Rubio told...
CNBC
Rubio: 'There absolutely was an imminent threat' from Iran - AOL
Mar 2, 2026 — Ashleigh Fields. Mon, March 2, 2026 at 2:59 PM PST. 0. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Monday said Iran posed an “imminent threa...
AOL.com

Then it gets worse Even AI isn't buying the logic,.
The "Line of Immunity": Rubio also introduced a broader justification: he claimed the U.S. had to strike now because in 18 months, Iran would have reached a "line of immunity" where their missile and drone technology would be too advanced to stop. This logic suggests the U.S. should strike anyone who might become too powerful to be easily defeated in the future.

Makes us the bully - AI agrees. Redefining Aggression.

EarlG

(23,562 posts)
41. Honestly, I'd prefer not to get chatbot output in response to my posts
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:36 AM
32 min ago

I'd rather hear your personal thoughts on the story.

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