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pat_k

(13,031 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 06:47 PM 17 hrs ago

When Russia is the existential threat to Western democracy, wtf are we doing in the gulf?!??

A Ukrainian victory is essential to uphold international law, maintain the post-WWII security order in Europe, and prevent the expansion of authoritarian spheres of influence.

So why are we spending blood and treasure in the gulf?

It's long passed time for a major push from pro-democracy forces here to restore -- and substantially increase -- material support for Ukraine. That is the war we should be going all out for.

A great conversation between Simon Rosenberg and Stuart Stevens (who is currently in Ukraine).

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OAITW r.2.0

(31,961 posts)
1. Trump and his administration have no idea what they are doing.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 06:57 PM
17 hrs ago

We should be with our historical democratic European allies on dealing with Putin's Russian designs for taking over Europe. Precisely the wrong man was elected (?) in this moment.

AZJonnie

(3,504 posts)
2. Because Trump is another existential threat to Western Democracy?
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 06:59 PM
17 hrs ago

If there's one thing authoritarian fascist dictators universally hate, it's Democracy

pat_k

(13,031 posts)
4. Tragically true.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:06 PM
17 hrs ago

But as the felon's illegal war on Iran is the number 1 topic, it's an opportunity to push the question of "Why that war, instead on the one this nation ACTUALLY wants our government to get behind?"

erronis

(23,465 posts)
3. Is that a trick question? Obviously, we're destroying America's military to help Donald's boy friend.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:03 PM
17 hrs ago

Head-over-heels in love with pute. Or kompromized to the gills and then some.

Now, I'll watch the video and learn the reality. Thanks.

pat_k

(13,031 posts)
6. More a question of priorities for the pro-democracy movement.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:18 PM
16 hrs ago

As we've focused on the horrors of ICE, ruinous tariffs, and other aspects of the felon's shit show, addressing the unbelievable way this regime is failing Ukraine has sort of fallen off the radar.

Now that the felon has blown his "we have no place in foreign wars" stance to shit, it's time to refocus on Ukraine.

Initech

(108,416 posts)
5. The real existential threat to democracy is Rupert Murdoch.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:08 PM
17 hrs ago

Yes, Vladimir Putin is one of the dangers, but he's part of the whole Epstein cabal. Rupert Murdoch is the glue that's holding these fascist clowns together.

Proof: In a recent interview with Hannity, Netanyahu admitted they were mingling together at Mar-A-Shithole. It's all connected.

Initech

(108,416 posts)
11. It'll be even worse when the genocidal Saudi oligarchs start controlling the Paramount conglomerate.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:44 PM
16 hrs ago

pat_k

(13,031 posts)
8. ...and the fifth horseman of the apocalypse
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:29 PM
16 hrs ago

Yep. Part of the depraved elite shithole and the fifth horseman.

Initech

(108,416 posts)
10. Well the four horsemen destroying America:
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:42 PM
16 hrs ago

Mark Zuckerberg - communication
Larry Ellison - media
Jeff Bezos - commerce
Elon Musk - technology

And then the fifth - Rupert Murdoch - cable news.

erronis

(23,465 posts)
9. So many good points made by Stuart Stevens
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 07:34 PM
16 hrs ago

One was

Say what you will about Jeffrey Epstein. He's the most powerful dead man in the world.
First he shut down congress and now he's started a war.
I don't think there's any question that we would not be at war now if it weren't for trump trying to change the subject from the Epstein files.

pat_k

(13,031 posts)
12. Stuart Stevens is one of the good guys
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 08:41 PM
15 hrs ago

... and he takes responsibility for failing to truly fathom/stand up against the Republican Party sooner, as it catered too, and fomented, racism. He is perhaps one of the few that speaks so openly about that particular cancer on the party. I find his analyses are generally spot on. I haven't read his books, but a couple are on my list.

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