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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy are apostrophes -- or is it hyphens -- in some posts suddenly showing up as a scrambled mess ??
Last edited Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:19 PM - Edit history (2)
Lately, it seems that some peoples' posts can't handle apostrophes -- instead a hash of characters ( � � � s without the spaces) shows up. I haven't changed anything in my browser, and not all posts are doing it, so I have to wonder if this is something new that Microsoft e.g. had done to its text encodings, and that folks who are posting "smart" apostrophes, or some such, are unaware of the problem because they only read their own posts in the same browser that created them.
Any ideas ? Buehler ?
ETA: The characters I originally typed are now showing up repeated three times -- only the s does not repeat. This strikes me as very strange, and may affect DU itself.
Lifeafter70
(900 posts)Seen it in a few post but there doesn't seem to be a pattern
Renew Deal
(84,899 posts)I haven't noticed it, but I'll look for it now
Lifeafter70
(900 posts)Would have to go back through the post I read.
canetoad
(20,612 posts)Try "View" > Repair text encoding.
This is for Firefox. You may need to search your settings.
eppur_se_muova
(41,628 posts)bigtree
(93,974 posts)...I can't access any of the fixes suggested.
Seeing this post from you makes me think something else is up, tho.
Renew Deal
(84,899 posts)Nothing jumped out to me, but I didn't read closely. Where do you see it?
Lifeafter70
(900 posts)All around the same time and different posters.
Renew Deal
(84,899 posts)Peace President Breaks Record for Attacking the Most Countries
https://www.thedailybeast.com/peace-president-donald-trump-breaks-record-for-attacking-the-most-countries/
Oddly, the excerpted text no longer matches the text in the article.
Here is what I pulled out of the article that is similar:
"In the same period, though, he has ordered strikes against targets across no less than seven nationsIran, Nigeria, Venezuela, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemenat a rate that has already outstripped the total sanctioned by Joe Biden throughout the Democratic presidents four years at the White House,"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/peace-president-donald-trump-breaks-record-for-attacking-the-most-countries/
Not seeing the issue anymore
AZJonnie
(3,504 posts)Your curly quote will appear as the weird three characters in the window where you go to make edits, and will post that way if you re-post.
Tasmanian Devil
(124 posts)That page looks fine to me. Not a lot of help I know, but fyi. The characters around Peace President are unicode open and close quotes (3 bytes each).
Jim__
(15,167 posts)The line in the DU post: �Peace president� breaks record for attacking the most countries
When I right click on the du page and go to view page source, I see : �Peace president� breaks record for attacking the most countries
When I go to the Daily Beast source and do view source page, I see this (in a very long line): "description":{"basic":""},"display_date":"2026-03-02T14:15:32.449Z","distributor":{"category":"staff","name":"thedailybeast","subcategory":""},"first_publish_date":"2026-03-02T14:15:32.449Z","geo":{},"headlines":{"basic":"Peace President Breaks Record for Attacking the
Renew Deal
(84,899 posts)Wednesdays
(22,317 posts)I've been having similar issues today, as well.
Renew Deal
(84,899 posts)Or the computer language changed (less likely)
Wednesdays
(22,317 posts)They're using Safari, and I'm on Firefox, and I had the same problem.
highplainsdem
(61,388 posts)to this
https://www.democraticunderground.com/114238864
but I redid the text and the second time I copied it, it turned out OK.
Haven't noticed it in any other messages I posted today.
AZJonnie
(3,504 posts)It's the editing and previewing processes (see my posts 17 and 18 below
) that create the character set issue.
AZJonnie
(3,504 posts)when the user Edits (or Previews) their post.
�Here is a sentence encased in double quotes done on a PC in Word and pasted to DU�
�Here is a sentence encased in double quotes done on a PC in Word and pasted to DU�
If I post that directly without preview, the proper characters show. But if I preview first, when I get to the preview window, they're all four munged up with 3 characters that are NOT quotes.
I EDITED the above content just now, and now I'll paste the same two sentences in that I posted the first time:
Here is a sentence encased in double quotes done on a PC in Word and pasted to DU
Here is a sentence encased in double quotes done on a PC in Word and pasted to DU
AZJonnie
(3,504 posts)But because I posted directly and did not preview first, they posted correctly (that 2nd time).
It's the DU site that's doing this, and it is almost surely a Windows (ISO‑8859‑1 / Windows‑1252) vs UTF-8 character set issue.
eppur_se_muova
(41,628 posts)... because that came up once before, quite a long time ago. But then it started to seem *maybe* more complicated than that.
AZJonnie
(3,504 posts)In particular when data is pulled out of the DB and placed onto the DU form. When you're in "Preview" or "Edit" mode, what you're looking at (the text you're able to edit) has already made a round trip to the DB (your initial draft was saved to the DB IOW).
Now, that's also true when you just make a post and it shows up on the site (which is also reading posts from the database) but this a different sort of operation (using the web server) vs. pulling data out of the DB to enable editing (uses an app server typically, which is different software vs the web server).
The fact the problem only occurs when a post is edited by a user (but an UNEDITED post shows up fine on the forums) tells me the problem almost surely occurs when pulling data from the DB into the Editor. I'd expect something to the effect that the DB stores the data as UTF-8 (pretty sure DU is on mysql database, and some form of UTF-8 is default), the Web Server expects the same form of UTF-8, but the EDITOR expects a character set that's somehow different (could be a different UTF-8 version, of which there are a few, or maybe Windows).
They are sets that are LARGELY translatable seamlessly, but some characters (and smart quotes are notorious for this) don't translate perfectly, so we get these wrong characters show up in the Edit/Preview window, and then these 'wrong' characters save to the DB when the user updates, and then show up on the site as wrong.
eppur_se_muova
(41,628 posts)it's nice to know it's something rational and technological, not unhappy demons or, worse, hostile mobile code. My browser is set to the "default" character set; I think I'm going to force it to UTF-8 for a while and see what happens.
In my experience, saying "it's Microsoft's fault" at the beginning of the process often saves time, so that was my first thought.
Didn't they invent smart quotes ??
AZJonnie
(3,504 posts)But it may be the case that Word was the first program (or at least the first really famous one) that automatically converted to them as you typed and sorta 'pairs them up' for you, such that the first one you type curves one way (an 'open' version, if you will), then the next one (in the same line) curves the other way (the 'closing' version). Like so: Example. I used the same key for both of those double-quotes, and Word converted them to an open/close pairing like that, that's where the "smart" part comes in.
I don't know that the browser's character set setting impacts this at all, I suspect the issue is already there before you actually see it rendered in your browser but I don't care enough to dig into it, nor know if I could even figure it out. If I was going to guess, it'd be a translation issue happening with the ODBC or JDBC database driver that connects the app server to the DB, which means basically at the exact point the data is pulled from the DB, before anything else happens to it downstream.