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From Bing:
The gold was seized, placed in a Kuwaiti vault, then transferred to Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The gold was sold for an unknown price and the profit was sent to Iraq
🟡 What the CPA Did With Iraqs Recovered Gold
1. 📦 Secured and Catalogued the Gold
After U.S. forces recovered gold bars in 2003 (often from trucks fleeing Baghdad or Kirkuk), the assets were:
Logged and weighed
Stored in secure U.S. military facilities
Documented as Iraqi state property
The CPA was legally responsible for managing Iraqi assets under UN Security Council Resolution 1483, which gave it authority to receive and administer state funds and property.
2. 🏛️ Transferred Gold Into the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI)
The CPA consolidated all recovered Iraqi state assetsincluding gold, cash, and valuablesinto the DFI, a fund created by the UN to:
Pay Iraqi civil servants
Rebuild infrastructure
Stabilize the new government
nspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
none of these bodies ever published:
a gold sale record
a sale price
a sale date
a bullion weight or purity breakdown
a buyer or auction details
This is unusual, because the DFIs oil revenues and cash transfers were documented in detail.
From Claude:
Nearly $12 billion in cash was withdrawn from the DFI account at the Federal Reserve the largest cash withdrawals in history with more than $281 million in individual currency notes sent on 484 pallets weighing 363 tons. GovInfo The U.S. Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction later found the Department of Defense could not properly account for $8.7 billion of DFI funds. Tech ARP
Bottom line: The DFI was real, the Federal Reserve connection was real, and the financial mismanagement was very real and documented. But the specific claim that Iraq's gold was sold by the Federal Reserve with proceeds deposited to the DFI is not supported by official records. The DFI was funded primarily by oil revenues, not gold sales. I cannot confirm a figure for a gold sale transaction because the evidence doesn't support that specific sequence of events.
jmbar2
(7,936 posts)AI vigilantes will be on their way in 3...2...1...
highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)answer, you don't know if it's correct. It's just AI slop.
Bongo Prophet
(2,750 posts)It's a grave new world.
jmbar2
(7,936 posts)Bobstandard
(2,250 posts)I remember that the Bush/Cheney administration shipped in plane loads of pallets of brand new US currency to pay for stuff in the immediate aftermath of the Iraq war. They had a twenty something, never done anything like this administration appointee in charge. Literal tons of cash disappeared. Shrugs all around.
Can we not let them get away with this shit this time? I know theyre going to do it. Kushner is already on it, Im sure. But if we win in 2026 and 28, can we please, please go back after these robbers?
highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)You didn't identify the AI used.
Since you didn't say you checked every single detail of its answer, it's safest to assume you didn't.
Which means you offloaded factchecking to anyone reading that AI slop, taking zero responsibility for dumping possible misinformation onto DUers.
And by not identifying the AI tool, you made it impossible for anyone wanting to see if that AI would give the same answer twice to check it.
LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)Nothing reliable. I guess. I think the AI's are unreliable when you ask it for assumptions. Otherwise it is just a large search engine.
From what I can tell is that the questions that people ask and the responses is how it learns. But making assumptions and giving advice, that (to me) is like a teenager asking his buddy for advice. More than likely not going to be that good.
highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)are infamous for citations of articles from real papers, magazines, etc. that either don't exist or don't say what the chatbot claims they say.
Chatbots are NOT "just a large search engine" - though the AI companies would love you to believe they are - because they hallucinate, fabricate sources and fabricate quotes.
I've been trying to explain this to DUers so they understand why chatbots can never be trusted. One of those threads, from November of 2024:
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219775018
Drum
(10,631 posts)jmbar2
(7,936 posts)highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)for liberals to use AI tools trained illegally on data sets of stolen intellectual property, owned and controlled by AI companies supporting Trump, that generate results that can never be trusted without careful checking because they can hallucinate at any time, and the accuracy of the entire result can never be guaranteed from accuracy of part of the result.
jmbar2
(7,936 posts)Are you taking the word of AI Karen on that, without fact-checking reliable sources?
LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)jmbar2
(7,936 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)They are worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/@FatherPhi
LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)I think this is why the owners of Claude limited to what the DOW could do with it.. They are good at research but that is really it..
jmbar2
(7,936 posts)Love posts like this
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,817 posts)highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)Asking AI is the opposite of that.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,817 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)and later as a teen I curled up with the Encyclopedia Britannica. But not so much any more.
highplainsdem
(61,493 posts)that question, if you wanted an answer here.
I don't doubt that you're intelligent. I don't doubt that you could do a deep dive into that question if you wanted to.
But I doubt that it's a good idea to count on chatbots for information.
I don't doubt that posting AI results normalizes it and encourages others to use AI. And because the tech is both fundamentally unreliable and fundamentally unethical, I think it's a very bad idea to normalize it and treat it as harmless.
And using it does dumb users down. Which is also a bad idea if you hope to avoid cognitive decline. As we all do. It's better for your brain to look things up and write your own reply than to have a chatbot do it for you.
LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)they wanted to give me and not everything. But that was in the 50's and 60's. Pre internet, pre women's rights, pre liberal thought patterns.
I learned how to search for information from the libraries and books. But even those have a slant.
Most people don't even know how to do a search. How to type in a question in the search bar of a browser. Even when they do, they only get data from one source that the browser search engine wanted supply.
So far I have found that Claude does seem to do more than just one source in its searching.
jmbar2
(7,936 posts)The growing vigilante action here on DU by a handful of busybodies is gonna destroy it. It really disturbs me at how fast it has taken over.
I didn't expect a doctoral treatise when I read your post. You brought up an interesting bit of history relevant to current news. That was a good contribution whether it passed the purity tests or not.
LiberalArkie
(19,672 posts)system is for everyone to be in total agreement. It use to work so very good for the right until the Epstein thing happened.
Jacson6
(1,915 posts)and he got 3 yrs in Leavenworth prison.
JCMach1
(29,176 posts)For example, a student of mine (his family) owned a civil engineering company in Iraq and has bid to repair a major bridge for a reasonable amount.
US authorities rejected their bid for a US company with no regional experience to demolish the old bridge and build a new one for expotentially more.
Norrrm
(4,740 posts)Bongo Prophet
(2,750 posts)So I did a quick, shallow wade into dangerous waters to check the source of your joke: Simply by repeating it.
"Oddball hauled it away in his tank."
The answer in DDG's AI "Search Assist" was as follows:
Link addresses were https://www.walkingthebattlefields.com/2023/12/oddballs-tank-1970.html
and
hisstank.com
Would you say that was a fair representation of the context for your joke, or a hallucinogenic experience that, ironically, Oddball would have also approved with a smile?
As a bonus, it then goes further into the movie, reminding me of a few details I had forgotten.......
Overview of Oddball's Tank
In the film "Kelly's Heroes," Oddball, played by Donald Sutherland, commands a modified M4 Sherman tank. This tank is notable for its eccentric modifications, including a large loudspeaker and a distinctive paint job. The film features three Sherman tanks that are on a mission to steal gold from a German bank during World War II.
The Role of the Tank
Oddball's tank plays a crucial role in the plot. It is used to navigate behind enemy lines, showcasing the crew's unique approach to warfare. The tank's modifications, while not historically accurate, add a comedic and whimsical element to the film. The tank is involved in several key scenes, including the memorable moment when it emerges from a railway tunnel to attack a German camp.
Historical Context
While the film is fictional, it draws on real WWII elements. The Sherman tank was a widely used vehicle during the war, and its portrayal in the film reflects its significance in armored warfare. Oddball's tank, although not a direct representation of any specific historical vehicle, captures the spirit of the era's military ingenuity and the lighter side of war depicted in the film.
Oddball's tank remains an iconic symbol of "Kelly's Heroes," blending humor with the serious backdrop of World War II.
Whether it added any new information or not, at least it didn't insult you or berate you. That, as well as kindness, respect, and humor are things reserved for humans at this time.