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LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 11:58 AM 15 hrs ago

I did a AI deep dive into what happened to the gold that the US military got from Iraq

Last edited Sat Mar 7, 2026, 01:02 PM - Edit history (1)

From Bing:

What Actually Happened to Iraq’s Gold in 2003?

The gold was seized, placed in a Kuwaiti vault, then transferred to Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The gold was sold for an unknown price and the profit was sent to Iraq

🟡 What the CPA Did With Iraq’s Recovered Gold
1. 📦 Secured and Catalogued the Gold
After U.S. forces recovered gold bars in 2003 (often from trucks fleeing Baghdad or Kirkuk), the assets were:
Logged and weighed
Stored in secure U.S. military facilities
Documented as Iraqi state property
The CPA was legally responsible for managing Iraqi assets under UN Security Council Resolution 1483, which gave it authority to receive and administer state funds and property.
2. 🏛️ Transferred Gold Into the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI)
The CPA consolidated all recovered Iraqi state assets—including gold, cash, and valuables—into the DFI, a fund created by the UN to:
Pay Iraqi civil servants
Rebuild infrastructure
Stabilize the new government
This fund replaced Saddam-era accounts and was overseen by the CPA until June 2004.
nspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
…none of these bodies ever published:
a gold sale record
a sale price
a sale date
a bullion weight or purity breakdown
a buyer or auction details
This is unusual, because the DFI’s oil revenues and cash transfers were documented in detail.


From Claude:

The bigger financial scandal:
Nearly $12 billion in cash was withdrawn from the DFI account at the Federal Reserve — the largest cash withdrawals in history — with more than $281 million in individual currency notes sent on 484 pallets weighing 363 tons. GovInfo The U.S. Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction later found the Department of Defense could not properly account for $8.7 billion of DFI funds. Tech ARP

Bottom line: The DFI was real, the Federal Reserve connection was real, and the financial mismanagement was very real and documented. But the specific claim that Iraq's gold was sold by the Federal Reserve with proceeds deposited to the DFI is not supported by official records. The DFI was funded primarily by oil revenues, not gold sales. I cannot confirm a figure for a gold sale transaction because the evidence doesn't support that specific sequence of events.

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I did a AI deep dive into what happened to the gold that the US military got from Iraq (Original Post) LiberalArkie 15 hrs ago OP
Interesting question and response jmbar2 14 hrs ago #1
It's a response from a chatbot that can hallucinate at any time. Unless you check every detail of the highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #4
Re: AI Vigilantes, I've read that new updates have been made to the interrogation functions. Bongo Prophet 3 hrs ago #29
The beatings will continue until we completely forget that AI exists. jmbar2 3 hrs ago #30
Which makes me think of the disappearing pallets of dollars Bobstandard 14 hrs ago #2
Correction: You asked a hallucinating chatbot to answer a question. That isn't a deep dive. It's fake research. highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #3
From the Bing client LiberalArkie 14 hrs ago #6
Did you check every detail of the answer Bing's chatbot gave you with a source widely considered reliable? highplainsdem 14 hrs ago #7
Most was from Wikipedia, CNN, BBC, French news. LiberalArkie 13 hrs ago #11
Did you follow the links to the sources cited to see if they agreed with the AI-generated text? Chatbots highplainsdem 13 hrs ago #17
Let the scolding commence... Drum 14 hrs ago #5
There's an AI app for that jmbar2 14 hrs ago #8
Karens are conservative. And conservatives like AI slop. I'm a liberal who doesn't think it's a good idea highplainsdem 13 hrs ago #9
Are you sure that all Karens are conservative? jmbar2 13 hrs ago #10
Someone asked Claude about which party LiberalArkie 13 hrs ago #12
Well, this gets curiouser and curiouser... jmbar2 13 hrs ago #13
Yea, it surprised the crap out of me and the guy.. He has a lot of videos comparing each AI with the same prompt LiberalArkie 13 hrs ago #15
The AI's at present are really stupid with assumptions and making decisions. LiberalArkie 13 hrs ago #16
Will check it out jmbar2 13 hrs ago #18
"deep dive" WhiskeyGrinder 13 hrs ago #14
Definition of "deep dive" from Merriam-Webster: highplainsdem 13 hrs ago #20
exactly WhiskeyGrinder 13 hrs ago #21
At 78, I tend to let some one(thing) else to dive.. Although as a preteen my first book was Websters College dictionary LiberalArkie 12 hrs ago #23
Then let others who will do a real deep dive post deep dives to DU. You could have asked DUers to answer highplainsdem 11 hrs ago #24
Good point. I think I relied too much on the encyclopedias to much as a child as that just gave me the information that LiberalArkie 11 hrs ago #25
I am sorry to see your post getting hijacked jmbar2 9 hrs ago #27
This tends to happen whenever people are discussing anything. The only way to have a nice peaceful discussion LiberalArkie 7 hrs ago #28
I remember a Soldier Army truck driver tried to steal some of the gold on his truck. The MP's caught him Jacson6 13 hrs ago #19
The grift was deep during the Iraq War JCMach1 12 hrs ago #22
Oddball hauled it away in his tank. Norrrm 11 hrs ago #26
Good one! I decided to use my browser's DuckDuckGo search engine AI to confirm my memory of the context Bongo Prophet 2 hrs ago #31

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
4. It's a response from a chatbot that can hallucinate at any time. Unless you check every detail of the
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 12:38 PM
14 hrs ago

answer, you don't know if it's correct. It's just AI slop.

Bongo Prophet

(2,750 posts)
29. Re: AI Vigilantes, I've read that new updates have been made to the interrogation functions.
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 11:57 PM
3 hrs ago

It's a grave new world.

Bobstandard

(2,250 posts)
2. Which makes me think of the disappearing pallets of dollars
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 12:28 PM
14 hrs ago

I remember that the Bush/Cheney administration shipped in plane loads of pallets of brand new US currency to pay for ‘stuff’ in the immediate aftermath of the Iraq war. They had a twenty something, never done anything like this administration appointee in charge. Literal tons of cash disappeared. Shrugs all around.

Can we not let them get away with this shit this time? I know they’re going to do it. Kushner is already on it, I’m sure. But if we win in 2026 and ‘28, can we please, please go back after these robbers?

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
3. Correction: You asked a hallucinating chatbot to answer a question. That isn't a deep dive. It's fake research.
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 12:36 PM
14 hrs ago

You didn't identify the AI used.

Since you didn't say you checked every single detail of its answer, it's safest to assume you didn't.

Which means you offloaded factchecking to anyone reading that AI slop, taking zero responsibility for dumping possible misinformation onto DUers.

And by not identifying the AI tool, you made it impossible for anyone wanting to see if that AI would give the same answer twice to check it.

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
7. Did you check every detail of the answer Bing's chatbot gave you with a source widely considered reliable?
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 01:12 PM
14 hrs ago

LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
11. Most was from Wikipedia, CNN, BBC, French news.
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 01:46 PM
13 hrs ago

Nothing reliable. I guess. I think the AI's are unreliable when you ask it for assumptions. Otherwise it is just a large search engine.

From what I can tell is that the questions that people ask and the responses is how it learns. But making assumptions and giving advice, that (to me) is like a teenager asking his buddy for advice. More than likely not going to be that good.

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
17. Did you follow the links to the sources cited to see if they agreed with the AI-generated text? Chatbots
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 02:05 PM
13 hrs ago

are infamous for citations of articles from real papers, magazines, etc. that either don't exist or don't say what the chatbot claims they say.

Chatbots are NOT "just a large search engine" - though the AI companies would love you to believe they are - because they hallucinate, fabricate sources and fabricate quotes.

I've been trying to explain this to DUers so they understand why chatbots can never be trusted. One of those threads, from November of 2024:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219775018

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
9. Karens are conservative. And conservatives like AI slop. I'm a liberal who doesn't think it's a good idea
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 01:35 PM
13 hrs ago

for liberals to use AI tools trained illegally on data sets of stolen intellectual property, owned and controlled by AI companies supporting Trump, that generate results that can never be trusted without careful checking because they can hallucinate at any time, and the accuracy of the entire result can never be guaranteed from accuracy of part of the result.


jmbar2

(7,936 posts)
10. Are you sure that all Karens are conservative?
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 01:39 PM
13 hrs ago

Are you taking the word of AI Karen on that, without fact-checking reliable sources?

LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
15. Yea, it surprised the crap out of me and the guy.. He has a lot of videos comparing each AI with the same prompt
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 02:00 PM
13 hrs ago

They are worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/@FatherPhi

LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
16. The AI's at present are really stupid with assumptions and making decisions.
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 02:03 PM
13 hrs ago

I think this is why the owners of Claude limited to what the DOW could do with it.. They are good at research but that is really it..

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
20. Definition of "deep dive" from Merriam-Webster:
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 02:21 PM
13 hrs ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deep%20dive

an exhaustive investigation, study, or analysis of a question or topic


Asking AI is the opposite of that.

LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
23. At 78, I tend to let some one(thing) else to dive.. Although as a preteen my first book was Websters College dictionary
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 03:07 PM
12 hrs ago

and later as a teen I curled up with the Encyclopedia Britannica. But not so much any more.

highplainsdem

(61,493 posts)
24. Then let others who will do a real deep dive post deep dives to DU. You could have asked DUers to answer
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 03:28 PM
11 hrs ago

that question, if you wanted an answer here.

I don't doubt that you're intelligent. I don't doubt that you could do a deep dive into that question if you wanted to.

But I doubt that it's a good idea to count on chatbots for information.

I don't doubt that posting AI results normalizes it and encourages others to use AI. And because the tech is both fundamentally unreliable and fundamentally unethical, I think it's a very bad idea to normalize it and treat it as harmless.

And using it does dumb users down. Which is also a bad idea if you hope to avoid cognitive decline. As we all do. It's better for your brain to look things up and write your own reply than to have a chatbot do it for you.

LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
25. Good point. I think I relied too much on the encyclopedias to much as a child as that just gave me the information that
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 03:45 PM
11 hrs ago

they wanted to give me and not everything. But that was in the 50's and 60's. Pre internet, pre women's rights, pre liberal thought patterns.

I learned how to search for information from the libraries and books. But even those have a slant.

Most people don't even know how to do a search. How to type in a question in the search bar of a browser. Even when they do, they only get data from one source that the browser search engine wanted supply.

So far I have found that Claude does seem to do more than just one source in its searching.

jmbar2

(7,936 posts)
27. I am sorry to see your post getting hijacked
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 06:23 PM
9 hrs ago

The growing vigilante action here on DU by a handful of busybodies is gonna destroy it. It really disturbs me at how fast it has taken over.

I didn't expect a doctoral treatise when I read your post. You brought up an interesting bit of history relevant to current news. That was a good contribution whether it passed the purity tests or not.

LiberalArkie

(19,672 posts)
28. This tends to happen whenever people are discussing anything. The only way to have a nice peaceful discussion
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 07:49 PM
7 hrs ago

system is for everyone to be in total agreement. It use to work so very good for the right until the Epstein thing happened.

Jacson6

(1,915 posts)
19. I remember a Soldier Army truck driver tried to steal some of the gold on his truck. The MP's caught him
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 02:11 PM
13 hrs ago

and he got 3 yrs in Leavenworth prison.

JCMach1

(29,176 posts)
22. The grift was deep during the Iraq War
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 02:49 PM
12 hrs ago

For example, a student of mine (his family) owned a civil engineering company in Iraq and has bid to repair a major bridge for a reasonable amount.

US authorities rejected their bid for a US company with no regional experience to demolish the old bridge and build a new one for expotentially more.

Bongo Prophet

(2,750 posts)
31. Good one! I decided to use my browser's DuckDuckGo search engine AI to confirm my memory of the context
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 12:51 AM
2 hrs ago

So I did a quick, shallow wade into dangerous waters to check the source of your joke: Simply by repeating it.
"Oddball hauled it away in his tank."

The answer in DDG's AI "Search Assist" was as follows:

In the film "Kelly's Heroes," Oddball, played by Donald Sutherland, uses his Sherman tank to help steal gold from a German bank, showcasing his eccentric and laid-back character throughout the mission. The tank is a key element in the film's plot as it represents both the comedic and adventurous spirit of the story.

Link addresses were https://www.walkingthebattlefields.com/2023/12/oddballs-tank-1970.html
and
hisstank.com


Would you say that was a fair representation of the context for your joke, or a hallucinogenic experience that, ironically, Oddball would have also approved with a smile?

As a bonus, it then goes further into the movie, reminding me of a few details I had forgotten.......

Oddball's Tank in "Kelly's Heroes"
Overview of Oddball's Tank
In the film "Kelly's Heroes," Oddball, played by Donald Sutherland, commands a modified M4 Sherman tank. This tank is notable for its eccentric modifications, including a large loudspeaker and a distinctive paint job. The film features three Sherman tanks that are on a mission to steal gold from a German bank during World War II.

The Role of the Tank
Oddball's tank plays a crucial role in the plot. It is used to navigate behind enemy lines, showcasing the crew's unique approach to warfare. The tank's modifications, while not historically accurate, add a comedic and whimsical element to the film. The tank is involved in several key scenes, including the memorable moment when it emerges from a railway tunnel to attack a German camp.

Historical Context
While the film is fictional, it draws on real WWII elements. The Sherman tank was a widely used vehicle during the war, and its portrayal in the film reflects its significance in armored warfare. Oddball's tank, although not a direct representation of any specific historical vehicle, captures the spirit of the era's military ingenuity and the lighter side of war depicted in the film.

Oddball's tank remains an iconic symbol of "Kelly's Heroes," blending humor with the serious backdrop of World War II.


Whether it added any new information or not, at least it didn't insult you or berate you. That, as well as kindness, respect, and humor are things reserved for humans at this time.

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