Since no countries involved follow any type of engagement rules, it won’t get any better.

Who started this?

Yesterday attacking a water treatment plant was a war crime. When Iran did it today against a non-combatant country... crickets

But, I’ve said all three countries are committing crimes. Would you say that the USA and Israel have followed the rules of engagement..or is it crickets?

There has been a lot if criticism of attacks on Iran, including my own criticism since day one.

The desalination attack is only Iran saying this with zero way of checking. The same quote is getting past around. US said no. I very much question the validity at this point.

The girls school, the unarmed ship that was sunk with no effort to save survivors (even Japan and the Nazis did that), or Tehran being enveloped in toxic fumes and chemicals that will poison the water supply? To name a few.

Because I’m questioning the Iranian report on the desalination report?
Qeshm Island Has 150,000 people and is not on mainland Iran. Don’t doesn’t make a lot of sense when the US has nothing stopping it from taking our large facilities.

I was in a translated Iran site that was initially posting this and a lot of the stories looked like fiction. I was hoping your follow up was a that someone has validated it.

Iran has not claimed the ship was unarmed, only internet "sources". There are now also "sources" saying the ship was warned twice.
BTW in WW2 the US also waged unrestricted submarine warfare. Adm. Nimitz was called as a witness for the defense at Nuremberg.

So, not a non-combatant country.

US, Israel and Iran are all freely flouting laws and rules

They are a non-beligerent not a combatant.

Regardless of terminology, yesterday attacking civilian infrastructure was a war crime...

Thank you.

I waited two and a half years for you and others to admit that.

But not necessarily in the way you meant.

Condemn Iran for committing war crimes?

However, you did say this. "Innocent civilians targeted by Iran for absolutely no reason."
As if being attacked first is no reason.
As if having one of their schools bombed and 170 people mainly kids being killed is no reason.
As if having their desalination plant bombed is no reason.
As if killing 70,000 people in Gaza where conservative estimates put at least half are civilians is no reason.
But ya, absolutely no reason.

But the who started it seems an tacit acceptance. Even though Bahrain did not start it

seems like a tacit acceptance that you think it is ok if it happens to them. Right? It seems like it right? How wrong would I be to assume that?
Bahrain is the base of the US 5th fleet.

Starting day one- so let's just burn that strawman and pretend it never existed.

Yes Bahrain is the HQ if the 5th Fleet (I've been there in person). That is a US owned military target and I didn't say a word against Iran for targeting it.

I am against Iran attacking civilian targets and attacking countries that have not attacked them.

I never created a strawman, I just showed yours and asked you to see how wrong it was and admit it. Something you still haven't done.
I'm glad you agree that Bahrain is the headquarters of the 5th fleet. Now that we have that fact nailed down lets revisit.
Bahrain US 5th fleet.
US attacked Iran first.
And there is still no reason for Iran to attack Bahrain? None at all?
Personally the attack on civilians was wrong but I would not say that they have no reason. Their entire country was attacked not by one country but by two. Me not agreeing with their reason and claiming that they have none are two wildly different things. Imagine if I claimed that Israel had no reason to attack all of the civilians in Gaza? That would be wrong right? They had a reason I just think it was 100% wrong. Wouldn't me claiming that they had no reason just invalidate everything that happened on Oct 7th? If you can see that then you can see why I said what I said.

I literally just said I condemned the attacks on Iran.

(Mea culpa for not adding quotation marks)
You claimed I still had not condemned the attacks on Iran, which I had done in the past you replied to and elsewhere.

"I never created a strawman, I just showed yours and asked you to see how wrong it was and admit it. Something you still haven't done. "
What was your strawman?
"But the who started it seems an tacit acceptance."
And my example that you never admitted was wrong?
"Of course you leaving out the facts that the same thing has happened against Iran seems like a tacit acceptance that you think it is ok if it happens to them. Right? It seems like it right? How wrong would I be to assume that? "
See how you assumed that I thought it was ok because my answer back to you didnt state that I was against it but only stated that they had reasons is a strawman just like if I assumed you were ok with it on the other side because your statement never said you werent against it is the same thing?
If you have posts where you stated that and I replied back to you then feel free to show them.

Here is what I am against-

All of the attacks on Iran
Iranian attacks on noncombatants*
Attacks on civilians in Iran, Israel and any other countries.

*I do not condemn Iranian attacks against US military targets (airfields, radar installations, the 5th Fleet HQ) in the Gulf countries- a military response to an unjustified attack is reasonable.

However, since Iran was attacked, I do not expect them to sit back and take it without response any more than I would expect it of any other country.

Let's not lose sight of the casus belli.

war crimes any more than it excuses Israel and US war crimes.

Bahrain is the home of the US fifth fleet.

Further, they are co-located in the capital city of Manama, among residential areas.

Oh the irony...

Thanks.

They were told of the consequences and didn't care.

Every missile, bomb and drone is a terror weapon. Just ask the millions terrorized by them - though most are dead.

The US has the most terror weapons in the world. Israre just acquired another 27,000 from the U.S. - without congressional approval.

A few story up from where that clip was taped.

This war started on 02-28-26.

But that would be stupid to do so. This war has a defined start and its 02-28-26.

because reasons

just because Israel and the US, IMHO, are committing war crimes doesn't mean that Iran can go criticism free when they commit war crimes.

This has been a disaster.

You can't criticize just Isael and the US for war crimes but stay silent on Iran's war crimes, well, you can, but that would be highly hypocritical.

When those countries did not attack Iran?

areas where intelligence and military personnel are quartered.

Apartments, and desalination plants. If we don't count those and Cyprus or Azerbaijan it is mostly US military targets.

in direct retaliation for an Iranian plant hit the day before. It was them saying we can do the same to you. I do think it was unwise of Iran to do this, but they did have a reason.

Even when the country struck did not launch the attack?

As of this moment, we have no proof anyone struck the Iranian desalination plant besides their say so. I'm not denying it happened but so far Iran has not hesitated to release pictures and videos of damage from attacks. So far they have not shown the plant in question.

but both Israel and the U.S. do indiscriminate bombing to collapse societies and governments.

The person filming was a few feet from being vaporized

I probably wouldn't care if I hit a few civilian targets either.

but some are more to blame than others.

The media just doesn't report on it. A major reason I stopped watching MSM.

US & Israel attacking Iran is wrong. Iran attacking other countries is also wrong.

The US 5th Navy Fleet and Central Command is located in the capital of Bahrain. They would have coordinated and carried out the sinking of the Iranian fleet and other attacks including the assassination of Iran's leaders.

Should Iran just take it? Would the US or any other nation under these circumstances?

Attacking civilian buildings and infrastructure ON PURPOSE is always wrong. I also think all war is demonically evil, dangerous and stupid. That's why it should never be started in bad faith and under false pretenses.

I don't like that Iran has taken the bait. However I blame the US & Israel for provoking this response. I don't have an answer on how Iran can defend itself without giving propaganda to the other side. I wish I did.

That their response is "understandable" won't stop the aggressors and propagandists from exploiting it, making everything even worse. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

And, if true but an accident on their part, then it calls into question their narrative on the girls school, desalination, etc…

Are they using HUMAN SHIELDS???!!!

For two plus years we were told that is a war crime. And for that reason, Israel had NO CHOICE but to level Gaza.

Attacking civilians and their infrastructure is wrong, no matter who does it or what stories are made up to justify it.

The 5th Fleet HQ is in Manama however is is on the coast. It is not downtown, co-located with a hospital nor underneath apartment buildings.

There are some civilian facilities near the base and some residential areas not too far away. It would be regrettable for attacks on the HQ to cause collateral damage, but understandable.

Glad you mentioned they are near civilian and residential areas.

On edit:
Only a road seems to separate the compound from hotels, malls and residential highrises.

Here is what wiki says about the neighbourhood:

Juffair is a modern, vibrant, and highly sought-after, expat-centric district in southeastern Manama, Bahrain. Originally a village, it was absorbed by suburban growth and now features reclaimed land, residential towers, malls, and restaurants. It is notably home to the U.S. Naval Support Activity (NSA) Bahrain.

I have been to NSA, Bahrain and since it was some time ago, I imagine there would be more build up around the base.

Damage to those civilian structures resulting from attacks on the base I would consider collateral damage. It happens in war and I will apply standards equally.

Attacking a water treatment plant nowhere near any military target is not justified. Even if it happened to the attacking country- one crime does not give a pass for another.

Human shields?

War-Criminals' EMPIRE much?

Yeah. Wattabout Universal Healthcare for everyone within the US borders.

Oh... can't have that. War costs a lot of the middle-class's taxes. (not the billionaire's tax cuts)

And a lot of interests to pay coming up for a millenium.

The Islamic Republic regime thinks if they just attack random, innocent civilians, they can get their military enemies to back off. It's just hostage taking by another name. It's not going to work. Everyone wants the hornets gone.

Iran has been funding terrorism for decades.