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everyonematters

(4,194 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:41 AM Mar 17

I believe the DHS shutdown is becoming a political liability for us.

The long lines are continuing at the airports. The TSA agents are working without pay. Air traffic controllers are becoming overstressed.

The largest block of voters are not Democrats or Republicans. They are independents. Many of them don't trust either party to make a difference in their lives. Shutdowns don't help change that; they reinforce the distrust. There is only so much a party can accomplish when it is out of power. If our goal is to make a difference in people's lives, then we need to think strategically about the future to win elections. In 28, if we can capture all three facets of control, that is when we will have the power to make the bold changes that need to be made. In order to get there, we will have to expand our appeal beyond the Democratic Party.

I understand the moral argument behind DHS shutdown. The Trump administration is responsible for the abuses by ICE and the immigration policies. We are responsible for our actions also.

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I believe the DHS shutdown is becoming a political liability for us. (Original Post) everyonematters Mar 17 OP
Oh, so let's let ICE keep running amok, because (checks notes) someday we'll win all three branches. hatrack Mar 17 #1
There was no line at Logan yesterday, what you saw was a spring break crowd. Blues Heron Mar 17 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Mar 17 #3
The Republicans are shutting down TSA WSHazel Mar 17 #4
TSA rso Mar 17 #5
Oh ffs, I lost my health insurance coverage because Dems caved just like this Arazi Mar 17 #6
I don't agree Fiendish Thingy Mar 17 #7
Yep let's just cave again HappyH Mar 17 #8
Spring break is over. Ocelot II Mar 17 #9
No. Caving. To. MAGA. EVER. NewHendoLib Mar 17 #10
nope. Javaman Mar 17 #11
Stop listening to the GOP - they could fund TSA if they wished, it is all about political pressure walkingman Mar 17 #12
Dems have tried to offer bills to fund everything DHS but ICE Mad_Machine76 Mar 17 #13
Yeah, uh, NO. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 17 #14
Why do I get the feeling that the Iranian war is very convenient as a means to pressure Democrats to end the shutdown. patphil Mar 17 #15
I can answer that Keepthesoulalive Mar 17 #20
Yeah, I agree. Full blown narcissist who can't see beyond the mirror. patphil Mar 17 #22
Completely counter to reality Wiz Imp Mar 17 #16
I tend to see the vast majority's fingers pointed at Mr. trump on this one Torchlight Mar 17 #17
It was never a good idea. gulliver Mar 17 #18
Republicans could fund TSA in a heartbeat Bobstandard Mar 17 #19
Unfortunately, almost no one understands the nuance gulliver Mar 17 #21
The Democrats have offered to fund just TSA and the GOP said no. sinkingfeeling Mar 17 #23
I don't give a damn about airline lines...we will not fund ICE or DHS...NO No Demsrule86 Mar 17 #24

hatrack

(64,961 posts)
1. Oh, so let's let ICE keep running amok, because (checks notes) someday we'll win all three branches.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:42 AM
Mar 17

Sorry. No sale.

Response to everyonematters (Original post)

WSHazel

(781 posts)
4. The Republicans are shutting down TSA
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:47 AM
Mar 17

This is not a moral argument, this is politics. Cave and the Democrats lose.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
6. Oh ffs, I lost my health insurance coverage because Dems caved just like this
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:48 AM
Mar 17

Now you’re advocating they cave again and unleash DHS/ICE?

🤬

Fiendish Thingy

(23,403 posts)
7. I don't agree
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:51 AM
Mar 17

Nothing can stop the Blue Tsunami in November.

Skyrocketing gas prices, as well as healthcare premiums, and inflation in general, will have far more impact on voters than long lines at TSA in airports.

Ocelot II

(130,768 posts)
9. Spring break is over.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:59 AM
Mar 17

The blizzards and other bad weather that were causing flight delays are also over. The TSA lines will still be longer than usual but not crazy long like they were last week. Let's not cave on this and fund ICE just because of long lines at the airport.

walkingman

(10,956 posts)
12. Stop listening to the GOP - they could fund TSA if they wished, it is all about political pressure
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:02 AM
Mar 17

based on lies and deceit. Keep it shut down as long as it takes.

Mad_Machine76

(24,968 posts)
13. Dems have tried to offer bills to fund everything DHS but ICE
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:03 AM
Mar 17

but, so far, those are being rejected by Republicans, so.........?

Besides, ICE has all (more than) of the funding it needs for awhile, so, frankly, they can just go to hell.

patphil

(9,121 posts)
15. Why do I get the feeling that the Iranian war is very convenient as a means to pressure Democrats to end the shutdown.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:05 AM
Mar 17

It's the timing of the thing. Israel has wanted our help in taking out Iran for years. Why do we now have this situation where Israel is telling us that they plan to attack Iran, and that we need to help for "defensive" purposes?
You'd almost think that Bibi and Trump planned this.
Of course the law of unintended consequences reared it's ugly head and the whole thing went FUBAR, as these kind of things always seem to do.
I'm just not buying the whole premise of the war. It's especially worrisome since Trump seems to not have a reasonable answer when asked why we're there.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,323 posts)
20. I can answer that
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:40 AM
Mar 17

Trump is an idiot who is way above his station. He has no plans or intellect other than chaos. But this time it’s biting him in his derrière.

Wiz Imp

(10,135 posts)
16. Completely counter to reality
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:06 AM
Mar 17
https://navigatorresearch.org/americans-are-fed-up-with-cruel-immigration-policies/
Awareness Of DHS Shutdown Lower Than Last Fall’s Government Shutdown, But Americans Blame Trump and Republicans In Congress
61% of Americans have heard, read, or seen information about the current partial government shutdown of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Awareness is notably low among independents (52% have seen some or a lot about the shutdown) and passive news consumers (47% have seen some or a lot about the shutdown).

By a 19-point margin, Americans blame Trump and Republicans in Congress (48% blame) for the current shutdown over Democrats in Congress. However, 24% say they blame both groups equally.

Torchlight

(6,918 posts)
17. I tend to see the vast majority's fingers pointed at Mr. trump on this one
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:13 AM
Mar 17

I think it's merely more of the slow erosion of right wing capital as his grafts become more and more obvious to the public at large. Every passing day, he provides otherwise apathetic voters a compelling reason to vote against his agenda.

gulliver

(14,023 posts)
18. It was never a good idea.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:13 AM
Mar 17

As has been noted, ICE is already fully funded. It's just dumb to make TSA and other federal workers go without pay or quit...mainly as a gesture, imo, to the people who think they are fighting for the cause as they set it back.

Bobstandard

(2,325 posts)
19. Republicans could fund TSA in a heartbeat
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:25 AM
Mar 17

Democrats support a stand alone bill. Our senators and congress people need to keep saying that, loudly and ad nauseum. You need to say it too. call your Senators and Reps to make the point.

Caving to Republicans on this won’t help a bit but will demoralize the troops.

gulliver

(14,023 posts)
21. Unfortunately, almost no one understands the nuance
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:48 AM
Mar 17

Those of us who focus on politics a lot drift easily into thinking that all that is needed is for "the people to be made aware." To that end, all that is necessary is speaking out, protesting, resisting, fighting, and making a stand. But, imo, we mistake "performance," regardless of how sincere, extreme, or stage-crafted, as "doing something." It almost never does anything.

Some of the troops are too easy to demoralize. Troops who demoralize too easily need to gut check more and ruminate less on social media imo.

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