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GCG

(107 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 12:50 PM Mar 19

Israel has a Navy

The Israeli Navy has:
7 corvettes (Sa'ar 5 class, Sa'ar 6 class)
8 missile boats (Sa'ar 4.5 class)
5 submarines (Dolphin class)
45 patrol boats
4 support ships
9,500 active
10,000 reserve



Why didn't Trump ask them for help with keeping open the Straits of Hormuz?


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Israel has a Navy (Original Post) GCG Mar 19 OP
Isn't their navy in the Mediterranean? SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #1
Who could have anticipated that they would be needed? LakeVermilion Mar 19 #2
Suez Canal StoolPigeon Mar 19 #4
Do they have access? SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #11
And even if they had access, Wednesdays Mar 19 #29
Secrecy? StoolPigeon Mar 19 #40
Unknown to me StoolPigeon Mar 19 #39
How does that line of thinking work for all the NATO allies he's shitting on? BeyondGeography Mar 19 #5
Depends on where SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #12
They could have transited thru the SUEZ to the Red Sea and they'd be joining US Navy. ChicagoTeamster Mar 19 #16
Do they have access to it? SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #17
Maybe not after cutting off Egypt but they used to have a cold peace cooperation treaty with Egypt. ChicagoTeamster Mar 19 #23
Israel/Suez Canal melm00se Mar 19 #25
That treaty is from 1888 SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #26
Plus, see my post #29, above. nt Wednesdays Mar 19 #30
Wikipedia appears to say yes... GJGCA Mar 19 #36
Cool SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #37
To the best of my knowledge, melm00se Mar 19 #38
could be fairly quickly - cab67 Mar 19 #20
That's a consideration too SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #27
Israel's warships are on the smaller side. cab67 Mar 19 #28
It's not the ship's width SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #32
I was taking that into account. cab67 Mar 19 #34
The Suez Canal was constructed in the 1860's SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #35
Again, understood. cab67 Mar 20 #41
Cool SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #43
BIbi is his ally. ananda Mar 19 #3
Boobi cab67 Mar 19 #21
It's hard to find schools and hospitals at sea Prairie Gates Mar 19 #6
That sums it up well. David__77 Mar 19 #8
They're busy blockading Gaza. Kid Berwyn Mar 19 #7
Wouldn't TrumpenFuhrer have to clear that deployment with AIPAC first? NoMoreRepugs Mar 19 #9
Damn shootin' they have a navy and the US paid "good" money for it. twodogsbarking Mar 19 #10
But do they have a leader right now? Bev54 Mar 19 #13
Getting a cup of coffee in hell, no doubt. peppertree Mar 19 #22
He probably did... GiqueCee Mar 19 #14
Furthermore, if they were so eager for this war, it should be Israeli boots on the ground.... Sogo Mar 19 #15
Israel will send it's navy once they have expended the last American sailor. Dan Mar 19 #18
Uhh, Bibi's point of view is "Why should I risk MY navy when I have those Americans who do not mind dying for me" LiberalArkie Mar 19 #19
+1 dalton99a Mar 20 #42
Sa'ar 6-class corvette's are pretty small at 1,900 tons & 295ft EX500rider Mar 19 #24
76mm are medium-sized guns, IIRC. Wednesdays Mar 19 #31
On the smaller end as Naval guns go EX500rider Mar 19 #33

Wednesdays

(22,985 posts)
29. And even if they had access,
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 05:14 PM
Mar 19

...that would nix any notion of their movements being secret, no?

StoolPigeon

(273 posts)
40. Secrecy?
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 11:51 PM
Mar 19

Trump announced that he was sending ships to the area over a week in advance. These aren't clandestine speed boats. How would England, for example, get a ship there without being noticed?

StoolPigeon

(273 posts)
39. Unknown to me
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 11:45 PM
Mar 19

I've never heard of any restrictions on military use of the canal. Who's going to stop an armed vessal?

ChicagoTeamster

(1,170 posts)
23. Maybe not after cutting off Egypt but they used to have a cold peace cooperation treaty with Egypt.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 03:34 PM
Mar 19

That treaty allowed for cooperation over terrorism in the Sinai, Israel allowed natural gas pipeline to transit to Egypt (they recently shut it off) and Egypt allowed for transit of Israeli goods to Europe. So, they should have had no problem if they coordinated first. The US sends battleships and carrier groups through.

melm00se

(5,166 posts)
25. Israel/Suez Canal
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 03:39 PM
Mar 19

The Constantinople Convention, which states:

The Suez Maritime Canal shall always be free and open, in time of war as in time of peace, to every vessel of commerce or of war, without distinction of flag.


grants Israel (and any country for that matter) unfettered passage thru the canal.

This treaty has not always been a free pass as Egypt did block access during the Six Day War and the October War.

GJGCA

(310 posts)
36. Wikipedia appears to say yes...
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 08:42 PM
Mar 19

According to the international rules that govern navigation through the Suez Canal, Egypt cannot forbid any vessel from passing through the Canal if there is no war between Egypt and that country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Constantinople

melm00se

(5,166 posts)
38. To the best of my knowledge,
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:17 PM
Mar 19

This is still an active treaty.

Israeli warships passed through the canal in November 2024, and both Egypt and Israel cited the Convention as the reason for allowing such passage.

I like old treaties and their applicability over time, as it is a fascinating subject.

One could argue that the treaty remains in effect as long as Egypt decides it's active and in force, as the canal is under their sovereign control and land.

It should be noted that despite my suggestion above, this treaty is not on as solid ground as other old treaties, as some of the signatories, the Russian, German, Ottoman, and Austria-Hungary Empires have broken political lines to their modern incarnations. Other nations, however (UK, France, Spain, and the Netherlands), have political continuity from their signatories from the late 19th century to the present.

cab67

(3,831 posts)
28. Israel's warships are on the smaller side.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 05:12 PM
Mar 19

No idea if an aircraft carrier can transit, but that's not what would be involved.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,939 posts)
32. It's not the ship's width
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 05:30 PM
Mar 19

it’s also the draft. Some older canals are not deep enough for all ships.

cab67

(3,831 posts)
34. I was taking that into account.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 07:53 PM
Mar 19

I once watched ships being moved through the docks of the Panama Canal. That included a couple of "Panamax" type freighters.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,939 posts)
35. The Suez Canal was constructed in the 1860's
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 08:28 PM
Mar 19

The Panama Canal over 40 years later on a different continent. So ships that can pass through one may not be able to pass through the other.

cab67

(3,831 posts)
41. Again, understood.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 04:59 PM
Mar 20

That said, I just watched a video on YouTube showing an Israeli warship transiting the Suez Canal.

The largest corvettes in the Israeli navy are comparable to ships used for littoral operations in the US Navy, so they have a fairly shallow draft.

ananda

(35,395 posts)
3. BIbi is his ally.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:00 PM
Mar 19

He knows it's a futile, self-destructive task, so...
ask NATO (which he hates)>

Prairie Gates

(8,398 posts)
6. It's hard to find schools and hospitals at sea
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:16 PM
Mar 19

They also would have trouble opening passage for oil tankers rather than closing passage for food aid.

They're not really suited to the task.

Kid Berwyn

(24,884 posts)
7. They're busy blockading Gaza.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:16 PM
Mar 19

Besides, that’s why Israel employed Donald and the Pentagon.

Bev54

(13,500 posts)
13. But do they have a leader right now?
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:50 PM
Mar 19

Anybody seen Bibi? And I don’t mean the AI videos

peppertree

(23,430 posts)
22. Getting a cup of coffee in hell, no doubt.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 03:30 PM
Mar 19

In line between Hitler and the two former Ayatollahs.

With Ceaușescu as the barista and Stalin at the cash register (so you know it'll be a while).

Exact change - or...."no coffee for you!"

GiqueCee

(4,571 posts)
14. He probably did...
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:51 PM
Mar 19

... but Bibi told him to pound sand; he'd gotten the fool to start the war, then cut him loose. Netanyahu, like Trump, is loyal to no one but himself.

Sogo

(7,282 posts)
15. Furthermore, if they were so eager for this war, it should be Israeli boots on the ground....
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 01:52 PM
Mar 19

nt

LiberalArkie

(19,895 posts)
19. Uhh, Bibi's point of view is "Why should I risk MY navy when I have those Americans who do not mind dying for me"
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 03:21 PM
Mar 19

EX500rider

(12,677 posts)
24. Sa'ar 6-class corvette's are pretty small at 1,900 tons & 295ft
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 03:38 PM
Mar 19

On the other hand pretty well armed for that size.

The Sa'ar 6 has a displacement of almost 1,900 tons at full load and is 90 m (295 ft 3 in) long. It is armed with an Oto Melara 76 mm main gun, two Typhoon Weapon Stations, 32 vertical launch cells for Barak-8 surface-to-air missiles, 40 cells for the C-Dome point defense system, 16 anti-ship missiles Gabriel V,[12][13] the EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA radar, and two 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo launchers. It has hangar space and a platform able to accommodate a medium class SH-60-type helicopter.

Lack of a point defense CIWS might be a issue in a swarm attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27ar_6-class_corvette



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