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ck4829

(37,748 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 09:08 PM Sunday

It's time for a new bloc within the Democratic Party

Let me start off with a story... a young man just becoming a young adult and he thinks electoral politics is the solution, is the way to make things better, and that the person with the rational and reasonable arguments will be the one with the edge.

He voted in 2006 and was proud to be a part of the blue wave that provided a much-needed check and balance against the Bush administration... even if they didn't impeach Bush.

He voted in 2008 and voted for Barack Obama; hope and change, he remembered all the sci-fi stuff about the 21st century he grew up with as a millennial, and silly him, he thought this would be it, this would be the catalyst for a new era... humanity unshackled.

This would have been the time to start a family, get a house, live a brand new American dream.

We just had to mop up the Republican mess.

And that's all it became about... fighting back against Republicans acting in bad faith, and they emboldened some of the worst Americans, crystalized in the birthers which gave them a platform to legitimize their racism, and their birther leader: Donald Trump.

In the time followed, in politics and outside of it, he lost... everything. The family he wanted to make, the career path he wanted to follow, and his faith in the system. Followed by years of nothing, just getting by.

---

But it's not time to give up, but you know what? But I am giving up on something: No more mopping up Republican messes.

Because now there is a new spark.

This is not proposing what's going to be happen, this is what is going to happen, this is going to be the course of action, and the results of the election in November will just decide some of the avenues in which it all happens.

So read and read well:
* I'm not dead yet. You're not dead yet. So there's still room for OUR agenda, for what we WANT, and not cleaning up after Republicans, not simply undoing what Republicans do. I want to achieve the things I saw that could be done through politics, and I want that for you too.
* I don't want to see young people entering politics be faced with the same heartbreak I encountered. This is for them.
* And let's light the fuse for this firework right now... There needs to be permanent and severe consequences for the 2024 election. People who voted for a bankrupt felon need to pay. There needs to be a complete loss of political capital for the Republican, for the conservative, for the Christian nationalist, for the one who said Kamala Harris was a warmonger and that voting Trump means no new wars, for the one who said Trump would pave the way for a golden age, for the media that lowered the standards to make room for Trump, for the billionaire, for the one who said Republicans are "better" on the economy, and the swing voter. Their hands have just a little of blood from this war's injured and dead on them to say the least.

How will this be achieved? Here's a non-exhaustive list that will grow after November for this bloc:

* Jury nullification. Promote it, advocate for it, use it in the jury box. If conservatives have made it illegal, nullify in the jury box. If it's a part of the disastrous war on drugs, nullify in the jury box. I have already done so myself for a case of possession. If a woman had an abortion and it's illegal, I will nullify that. If a doctor is on trial for choosing a woman over a fetus, then I'm going to nullify.
* Sorry not sorry, you're gonna have to take directions from people with funny hair colors. I don't have blue hair, I don't have piercings, and I don't have tattoos... but after the disaster Trump voters caused, I want them far closer to the steering wheel than any of them ever again. The woke, the other, the marginalized... they're gonna have a seat at the table.
* Taking All Lives Matter and making it All Lives Matter More than Healthcare Profits. It's our thing now, you lost it, people who used it as a thought-terminating cliche against people who said that black lives matter. It's all lives matter more than healthcare profits now.
* Unacceptable. Make this the image for the word itself:
* Word association. Every. Every what? Every billionaire is a policy failure. Let's normalize that. We need to do this so much that when one hears the word "every" then they automatically think that they are going to hear "billionaire is a policy failure" next.
* Confiscating a certain pharmaceutical slogan. Try it for yourself. It's going to become more of a thing.

And untethering employment, the job market, employers from the political system. Not individual employers, no. Employment. We shouldn't really care if the unemployment rate goes down or up at all if having a job really just means it is something to stay fed and housed. No and NO. Say it with me: No. If employment doesn't mean having a voice at work, if it means just a paycheck but not growth and fulfillment, if it doesn't mean being a part of cutting edge innovation, progress, and more; then we should want no part of this. I'm actually trying something out: making a comparison, "almost as bad as the job market" and so let's make it a benchmark. Let's divide the political system from employment.

No more mopping up Republican messes!

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stopdiggin

(15,461 posts)
1. more easily satisfied .... I will be happy if I see Democrats returning to power
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 09:16 PM
Sunday

in one of our three branches of government in 26. And to me .. that means any Democrats.

Amishman

(5,929 posts)
16. I think that is a certainty, people are pissed
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:44 PM
3 hrs ago

But being pissed at them doesn't mean that once we are in power again, they won't immediately complain about what we are doing.

The electorate is more fragmented and divided each year, with independents steadily growing as a share of the electorate. Why are people going independent? Because they disagree with each party in enough ways that they refuse to join.

Politics of vengeance might be satisfying. It might even be the morally right thing to do. But it isn't going to help keep us in power when we get back in the driver's seat. What will do that? making people lives better - and that means everyone. Not just specific demographics that the pubs are vigorously shitting on, not just the underserved and marginalized. Everyone.

It's not just us vs them. It's us vs them - with a big bitter fickle crowd also in the room, who aren't terribly endeared to either side and will flip on a whim.

MichMan

(17,148 posts)
2. We shouldn't care if people are unemployed?
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 09:52 PM
Sunday
"We shouldn't really care if the unemployment rate goes down or up at all if having a job really just means it is something to stay fed and housed."


You may think it isn't any big deal, but not being homeless and hungry is something that I care about.

Jack Valentino

(4,999 posts)
7. We SHOULD CARE, but we SHOULD absolutely lay the blame at the doorstep of
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 11:52 PM
Sunday

the American NAZI-KKK MAGGOT Party (formerly known as 'Republicans') !!!!

Trump made a lot of economic promises (lies) prior to the 2024 election,
about "lowering prices on day one" which are clearly impossible for any president to accomplish---
(unless he manages to inflict an economic catastrophe on the country---
which Trump seems to be attempting to do--- although prices have ONLY gone up instead of down!
INDEED, MOST of his 'policies' from increased tariffs to this Iran war
have very PREDICTABLY driven prices UP instead of 'down'!)

I'm a "MICHIGAN MAN" myself, and a proud and loyal Michigan Democrat since 1976 or indeed 1972---
so I have taken a long-term interest in your posts here--- going back a few years---

but it seems to me that most of your posts that I have read have been habitually inclined to
question or raise doubts on the political positions of Democrats or Democratic politicians........


so I am asking you here and now to describe your support for
the Democratic Party, and those Democratic Party issues which you support!


((( a very LONGER reply would be better!)))


I would be very glad to hear of at least ONE instance,
and better to hear of MORE than one---
but at this time I cannot recall EVEN ONE for which you have voiced support!















Response to Jack Valentino (Reply #7)

PATRICK

(12,389 posts)
4. How about finally adopting
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 11:00 PM
Sunday

Germany's banning of non or anti-constitutional parties? Despite them always having a right wing they have a commission to nip nation gutting fascists in the bud. They argue and nitpick, but generally disallow the worst parties from getting on the ballot. The GOP is against the constitution and has violated that and almost to unanimity committed crimes to overthrow our whole system of government- and worse even beyond war crimes. The party should be banned judging from my whole life experience and knowledge of post Teddy Roosevelt history. The arguably "good ones" are meaningless in this question. The organization is totally corrupt and damned.

Should be LOUDLY talked about. No Kings, No Dictators, no fascists.

tritsofme

(19,899 posts)
6. No, I don't think we should repeal the First Amendment to "save" the Constitution.
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 11:16 PM
Sunday

This is “we had to destroy the village to save it” territory.

PATRICK

(12,389 posts)
9. No
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:12 AM
Yesterday

it is reconstruction, something the GOP is familiar with. Even the Democrats post Civil War were split North and South so not as a party against the Constitution. The Secessionists were crushed in battle. A more civilized time with a lot more bloodshed. The thing, quantity-wise, we are not up to yet though the death toll and menace to the world is directly apocalyptic. The means to do so should be taken away and we are already out of time for millions and billions of human beings to be sacrificed on the altar of incompetent psychopaths. In Germany it was reconstruction and avoidance of a repeat with the support of the 20 to 30 percent who can be relied on to be suckers for evil. I am saying it has been done moderately but firmly and not without debate in Germany because many of those villages had already burned.

tritsofme

(19,899 posts)
12. Put as pretty of a bow on it as you can find, you're still advocating to repeal the First Amendment.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 01:14 PM
Yesterday

These sorts of authoritarian impulses are no less dangerous coming from our side.

PATRICK

(12,389 posts)
14. I believe the German intent is to protect
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:58 PM
15 hrs ago

Validating legal parties and invalidating illegal agendas of destructive parties is not quashing free speech which only has an easy price tag for oligarchs who currently buy the government. So Germany disqualifying anti-Constitutional parties is the same as Hitler? Limiting hate speech in any way harms the public good and their rights? Forming organizations to overthrow the Bill of Rights and allowing them a place on the ballot? Money is free speech over here and it reigns. This has been going on for much of the nation's history, a history of democracy in steep decline from its avowed and well protected enemies. This country jails some heads of small parties occasionally, games and suppresses others. Gerrymanders voters to insignificance. Does not protect public discourse or fairness. Assumes what it does not have.

I only think NOISING an obvious foreign precedent would signal the Nazis in GOP clothing that crime has consequences. They certainly are considering doing that to the pesky Democratic party in place of hopelessly convincing any majority of the nation to their side. I am talking of a legal response to an illegally purposed political organization. Only, of course, this German legal option does not exist in this country where, absurdly, what is happening can't happen here.

tritsofme

(19,899 posts)
15. You're arguing the government should decide which ideas are allowed.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:07 PM
3 hrs ago

That’s authoritarian — and exactly what you claim to be against.

Sounds less like “no kings” and more like wanting your own.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,209 posts)
5. I prefer the politics of courage and compassion over the politics of revenge
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 11:13 PM
Sunday

Wasting time and resources refusing to clean up Republicans’ mess, and focusing on punishing them and their voters is the peak of selfishness.

My hope is voters have the courage to elect and demand their representatives pass legislation to expand the court, and that senators kill the filibuster in order to do so.

Once the court is expanded, my hope is we have elected politicians willing to govern fearlessly, with no regard for what republicans might do if they ever regain power, but instead focus on ways to restore rights, repair the damage and destruction of the Trump era (lots of good jobs in that, paid for by increased taxes on billionaires) and generally make life better for all Americans.

With the court expanded and the MAGA majority neutralized, laws can be rammed through (starting in 2029) without obstruction from the filibuster, and without fear of being overturned by SCOTUS.

That’s how you control the political capital, not by punishing the opposition, but by out-governing them.

Through the politics of courage and compassion, governing fearlessly and progressively, like FDR did, voters will reward Dems with the trifecta for a generation or more,

But only if we elect leaders who have the courage and conviction to do so.

creeksneakers2

(8,014 posts)
8. I hope we keep our focus on stopping Fascism.
Sun Mar 29, 2026, 11:58 PM
Sunday

When we get power we can argue over what to do with it.

PATRICK

(12,389 posts)
10. Equal Law and Justice would be a start
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:15 AM
Yesterday

Restitution from oligarchs. Massive if they want to avoid jail.

creeksneakers2

(8,014 posts)
13. I think we should stick to voting them out for what they've done.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 05:49 PM
22 hrs ago

Then see what the lawyers say we can do with them.

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