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usonian

(25,272 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:07 PM 18 hrs ago

Bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did NOT match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson, new court filing claims

Last edited Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:26 PM - Edit history (1)

From The Daily Mail but likely to be true.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15692625/Tyler-Robinson-bullet-rifle-match-Charlie-Kirk.html

The bullet that killed conservative commentator Charlie Kirk did not match the rifle used by suspected killer Tyler Robinson, a bombshell new court filing states.

snip

... His defense attorneys now argue that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 'was unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy to the rifle allegedly tied to Mr Robinson.'

The defense team may now offer the ATF firearm analyst's testimony as exculpatory evidence, they said in a motion filed on Friday to push the preliminary hearing back at least six months, Fox News reports.

It also notes that DNA reports filed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and ATF will take time for the defense team to analyze because reports indicated that several different DNA were found on some items of evidence.


Checking satellites for evidence of a grassy knoll.

No link at the Daily Mail to more, but others may. MSN syndicated the story.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/bullet-used-to-kill-charlie-kirk-did-not-match-rifle-allegedly-used-by-suspect-tyler-robinson/ar-AA1ZLsle

Edit to add. I did not intend to promote conspiracy theories, only to say REPUBLICANS IN DISARRAY.
Let them tear each other apart (verbally, of course.)

I looked for independent sources. So far, everyone is just copying the DailyMail, so Caveat Reader.
A search for corroboration!! Unfortunately, it has only been found so far at.
• Hindustan Times
• EndTimeHeadlines
https://the.democraticunderground.org/100221135837 (so DU has another name? )
• FreeRepubic FREEPERS (this is interesting) Little did I know, they are HQ in Fresno. Yuck.,

I put the discussion so far up on pastebin, so you don't have to go there.
https://pastebin.com/raw/ZUKWyWmc
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! EACH OTHER!
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Bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did NOT match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson, new court filing claims (Original Post) usonian 18 hrs ago OP
I thought this was fishy from the start. n/t rzemanfl 18 hrs ago #1
Defense lawyer claims client is innocent EdmondDantes_ 18 hrs ago #2
Is there a grassy knoll around somewhere? Ocelot II 18 hrs ago #3
Patsy dweller 18 hrs ago #4
This was a professional hit...................... Lovie777 18 hrs ago #5
Yup, it certainly was blue-wave 17 hrs ago #29
This is your brain on conspiracy theories. nt BootinUp 18 hrs ago #6
Thank you ! stopdiggin 18 hrs ago #11
People still don't believe the Warren commission even after the shooting BootinUp 18 hrs ago #13
there is no end to the lunacy that the 'conspiracy brain' will gobble up .... - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin 18 hrs ago #18
So by saying "lunacy" blue-wave 2 hrs ago #59
When I see evidence..... SergeStorms 1 hr ago #62
Numerous people in the operating at the hospital saw that the back of Kennedy's head was blown off. everyonematters 17 hrs ago #27
you could see after he was shot Jackie trying to climb out the back of the convertible, as if chasing his head. Trueblue Texan 15 hrs ago #43
So we are supposed believe that blue-wave 2 hrs ago #58
. BootinUp 54 min ago #63
Oh Lawd, there's a budding cottage industry of conspiracy theories on the RW alone. underpants 18 hrs ago #21
I WISH somebody ELSE had had a 'good rifle'---- Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #41
Like the tRump fake assasination attempt that went wrong I have no doubt. nt yaesu 18 hrs ago #7
a very neat trick - given that the shooter TOLD other people that did it stopdiggin 18 hrs ago #8
Why did they pin the murder Blue_Roses 18 hrs ago #9
He - a) confessed to roommate - b) stashed a rifle easily identified as belonging to him/family in nearby bushes stopdiggin 18 hrs ago #16
Weird Blue_Roses 18 hrs ago #20
Post removed Post removed 14 hrs ago #47
Oh boy... RockRaven 18 hrs ago #10
When ATF or some other forensic lab can't definitely match a bullet, they say so Prairie Gates 18 hrs ago #12
Exactly right. Straw Man 18 hrs ago #15
I did notice that the defense didn't say that the ATF dgauss 18 hrs ago #17
I haven't followed the story much rpannier 17 hrs ago #30
And so gentle readers, another conspiracy is born . . . Aussie105 16 hrs ago #35
Nope. Not a rabbit hole I'm going doen. Not for this guy. OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #14
Hard to tell whether the defense is saying the bullet doesn't match the caliber of the rifle, or if it's pushing what WhiskeyGrinder 18 hrs ago #19
One of the many "marks matching" forensic "sciences" that is of dubious reliability Prairie Gates 17 hrs ago #23
Yep. Bite ID, blood spatter, fingerprints...whatever it takes to keep the PIC running. WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #25
Fire/burn/accelerant marks. Polygraphs. RockRaven 17 hrs ago #26
Carpet and fabric fibers Johnny2X2X 17 hrs ago #33
"Tool marks" and other nonsense pseudoscience Prairie Gates 6 hrs ago #52
It's a defense claim Renew Deal 18 hrs ago #22
Now watch them say that Charlie Kirk's bullet matches Luigi Mangione's gun... PeaceWave 17 hrs ago #24
My guess is that the bullet hit something hard after passing thru Kirk's neck NickB79 17 hrs ago #28
The only evidence we should care about are vague engravings on bullets IronLionZion 17 hrs ago #31
Trump wanted this to be federal case. Wonder why? 33taw 17 hrs ago #32
Wow. More questions than answers. Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #34
What questions? Aussie105 16 hrs ago #36
Amazing deduction. Joinfortmill 6 hrs ago #50
How do we know he is dead? sarisataka 16 hrs ago #37
Crazy theories? Let's go! Danascot 6 hrs ago #49
COLOR. ME. SHOCKED. MrChuck 16 hrs ago #38
My theory that Erika had something to do with it still stands. Initech 3 hrs ago #56
Probably means bullet was too damaged to be able to match it to the rifle Kaleva 16 hrs ago #39
A nice, sensible response to this new evidence. Ilikepurple 14 hrs ago #44
Good! Unrepentant Fenian 16 hrs ago #40
Shocking. C Moon 16 hrs ago #42
is there a link to the court filing? onenote 14 hrs ago #45
I've been looking, and everything points back to the DailyMail. usonian 14 hrs ago #46
Below is a link to CBS news Quiet Em 7 hrs ago #48
Lawyer being a lawyer Johnny2X2X 6 hrs ago #51
It was a fragment Historic NY 4 hrs ago #53
Ahhh, cooler heads BaronChocula 2 hrs ago #60
That's a rough row to hoe given that the suspect confessed the murder to allegorical oracle 3 hrs ago #54
Uh oh, this is going to disrupt Fox News' narrative. Initech 3 hrs ago #55
It was an inside job. idahoblue 3 hrs ago #57
I actually hope it doesn't match. Iggo 2 hrs ago #61

EdmondDantes_

(1,793 posts)
2. Defense lawyer claims client is innocent
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:10 PM
18 hrs ago

I'll wait for independent evidence or for the trial before assuming that this is 100% true.

stopdiggin

(15,461 posts)
11. Thank you !
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:22 PM
18 hrs ago

Lord love a duck !
Are our brains really that far up our butts .. ?

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BootinUp

(51,311 posts)
13. People still don't believe the Warren commission even after the shooting
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:28 PM
18 hrs ago

recreations and computer simulations and all the other evidence against Oswald (and lack of any evidence to the contrary). But I have no patience to argue with "believers" anymore, bring the facts or leave me be.

stopdiggin

(15,461 posts)
18. there is no end to the lunacy that the 'conspiracy brain' will gobble up .... - - - - -(nt)-
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:35 PM
18 hrs ago

blue-wave

(5,097 posts)
59. So by saying "lunacy"
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:18 PM
2 hrs ago

you are saying the bullet that was shot from this gun really did kill Charlie Kirk? And you are calling others conspiracy theorists? The science of ballistics don't match in this case. You don't believe in Ballistics testing?

SergeStorms

(20,581 posts)
62. When I see evidence.....
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:12 PM
1 hr ago

of this from a much more reliable source than The Daily Mail, then I might become a believer.

everyonematters

(4,156 posts)
27. Numerous people in the operating at the hospital saw that the back of Kennedy's head was blown off.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 10:10 PM
17 hrs ago

That means he was shot from the front.

Trueblue Texan

(4,458 posts)
43. you could see after he was shot Jackie trying to climb out the back of the convertible, as if chasing his head.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:34 AM
15 hrs ago

He had to have been shot from the front.

blue-wave

(5,097 posts)
58. So we are supposed believe that
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:11 PM
2 hrs ago

the bullet that hit Kennedy traveled sideways, went upside down, turned around and hit Connally then did another u-turn and then hit Kennedy?

That's not really the path the bullet traveled but I think you get the point. One bullet traveled a very convoluted path and struck two men? Really. And you think those who don't believe the "official" story are the conspiracy theorists?

We will never know the truth.

underpants

(196,484 posts)
21. Oh Lawd, there's a budding cottage industry of conspiracy theories on the RW alone.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:43 PM
18 hrs ago

He took the shot. He had a good rifle to do it and he had a lot of experience with guns.

The angle does seem odd to me.

The DNA thing could mean that anyone from him to his grandfather to his roommate touched then. There was open discussion in card games about killing somebody?

He was definitely a Groyper - devotee of Nick Fuentes - and those were warring factions.

Jack Valentino

(4,999 posts)
41. I WISH somebody ELSE had had a 'good rifle'----
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:30 PM
16 hrs ago

Elmer Fudd! I hate Bugs Bunny!



(ok, I'm lying about the part about hating Bugs Bunny)



stopdiggin

(15,461 posts)
8. a very neat trick - given that the shooter TOLD other people that did it
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:17 PM
18 hrs ago

with his own family turning him in for the deed.

stopdiggin

(15,461 posts)
16. He - a) confessed to roommate - b) stashed a rifle easily identified as belonging to him/family in nearby bushes
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:30 PM
18 hrs ago

while fleeing the building used - c) was turned in by his own family members (after confessing to them ?)
Shall we go on .. ?

Response to stopdiggin (Reply #16)

RockRaven

(19,358 posts)
10. Oh boy...
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:21 PM
18 hrs ago

All of a sudden these prosecutors will be a lot less interested in or respectful of the scientism offered by forensic experts' testimony than they were a few months ago.

Funny how that works.

Prairie Gates

(8,147 posts)
12. When ATF or some other forensic lab can't definitely match a bullet, they say so
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:25 PM
18 hrs ago

The defense will always say that that means it wasn't a bullet from the gun, while the prosecution will say that the bullet was simply too damaged.

Not being able to match a bullet to a gun is not the same as ruling out the gun as the source of the bullet.

Straw Man

(6,945 posts)
15. Exactly right.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:30 PM
18 hrs ago
Not being able to match a bullet to a gun is not the same as ruling out the gun as the source of the bullet.

That's it in a nutshell.

dgauss

(1,528 posts)
17. I did notice that the defense didn't say that the ATF
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:31 PM
18 hrs ago

"ruled out" the possibility that the bullet came from that gun. That would be a little more convincing.

rpannier

(24,922 posts)
30. I haven't followed the story much
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 10:30 PM
17 hrs ago

My understanding is the round may have struck something Kirk was wearing and it ricocchet up. If that was true, whatever it hit would have been powerful enough to absorb the impact and force the round up. So whatever it struck would have damaged the round.
For me, Charlie Kirk is gone. That's where the story begins and ends

Aussie105

(7,913 posts)
35. And so gentle readers, another conspiracy is born . . .
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:00 PM
16 hrs ago

Facts and logic have no defense against those who thrive on conspiracy theories.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,952 posts)
19. Hard to tell whether the defense is saying the bullet doesn't match the caliber of the rifle, or if it's pushing what
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:36 PM
18 hrs ago

more courts are recognizing, which is that firearms forensics is increasingly seen as inaccurate and unreliable.

Prairie Gates

(8,147 posts)
23. One of the many "marks matching" forensic "sciences" that is of dubious reliability
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:57 PM
17 hrs ago

We got sold a bill of goods on this stuff from the 1960s to the 2000s.

RockRaven

(19,358 posts)
26. Fire/burn/accelerant marks. Polygraphs.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 10:09 PM
17 hrs ago

There is so, so much bunk which has been used to wrongfully convict people.

Prairie Gates

(8,147 posts)
52. "Tool marks" and other nonsense pseudoscience
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 09:55 AM
6 hrs ago

Truly, we've created a whole industry of Kid Detective forensics that sends people to prison. It's incredible.

Renew Deal

(85,141 posts)
22. It's a defense claim
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:54 PM
18 hrs ago

But it would be notable if it was impossible for the bullet to work with the gun.

Multiple DNA is probably law enforcement contamination.

The conspiracy people including Candace Owens will go wild with this info

PeaceWave

(3,380 posts)
24. Now watch them say that Charlie Kirk's bullet matches Luigi Mangione's gun...
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 09:59 PM
17 hrs ago

and that the entire FBI evidence locker is fucked up from Kash Patel using it as a bachelor pad.

NickB79

(20,353 posts)
28. My guess is that the bullet hit something hard after passing thru Kirk's neck
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 10:22 PM
17 hrs ago

A concrete wall, for example.

And then the bullet mushroomed and/or fragmented, making positive ID impossible.

Aussie105

(7,913 posts)
36. What questions?
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:02 PM
16 hrs ago

Someone fired a gun.
A bullet hit its intended target.
Target died.

Simple!

sarisataka

(22,688 posts)
37. How do we know he is dead?
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:06 PM
16 hrs ago

It could have been done with a squib, the gun loaded with blanks and they planted a bullet to make it look like he was shot
The shooter was paid to confess and promised the case would get tossed.
Kirk is in hiding somewhere

If we are going with crazy theories, let's go all-in

Danascot

(5,232 posts)
49. Crazy theories? Let's go!
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 09:15 AM
6 hrs ago

It was Erika Kirk.

If you were married to Charlie Kirk what would you do?

MrChuck

(316 posts)
38. COLOR. ME. SHOCKED.
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:16 PM
16 hrs ago

This entire fiasco from Butler PA to Charlie Kirk's murder has been completely fabricated.

Initech

(108,763 posts)
56. My theory that Erika had something to do with it still stands.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:11 PM
3 hrs ago

I mean no one has profited more handsomely from his death than she has with all the TV appearances, speaking gigs, book deals, and Fox News interviews.

Kaleva

(40,363 posts)
39. Probably means bullet was too damaged to be able to match it to the rifle
Mon Mar 30, 2026, 11:20 PM
16 hrs ago

Unable to match the bullet to the gun does not mean recovered bullet was not fired from the rifle in question.

Ilikepurple

(670 posts)
44. A nice, sensible response to this new evidence.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:01 AM
14 hrs ago

I’m glad someone responded to this seemingly non-exculpatory evidence without the need to browbeat OP for considering possibilities. I like most others have no firsthand knowledge of this case and am not exactly trusting of either our FBI or DOJ, but still think it’s unlikely he’s the shooter. I’m not fond of conspiracy theories but without them conspiracies would never be discovered. I’m surprised at the number of people who think everyone should share the same epistemic standards, especially when they don’t fully understand their own.

usonian

(25,272 posts)
46. I've been looking, and everything points back to the DailyMail.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:21 AM
14 hrs ago

But I am no good at searching court filings unless they show up in general search.

I put a caveat into the OP.

It looks like a lot of outlets, not just the usual right wing sites, have picked it up.

That doesn't instill much trust. Who is checking?

Johnny2X2X

(24,201 posts)
51. Lawyer being a lawyer
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 09:37 AM
6 hrs ago

He's just bringing into question ballistics evidence. Bullet too damaged to say what gun it came from. Mostly meaningless when you have a shooter who confessed. Now if the caliber was different, we'd have a big story.

I still think that's a really hard shot for anyone to make. Not hitting a target at 200 yards, but hitting a person at 200 yards, two totally different things.

Historic NY

(40,036 posts)
53. It was a fragment
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 11:31 AM
4 hrs ago

I don't know if they recovered more unspent rounds with the weapon. Further analysis can id the metallic composition characteristics.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/31/charlie-kirk-bullet-rifle]

BaronChocula

(4,549 posts)
60. Ahhh, cooler heads
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:18 PM
2 hrs ago

Thank you.
Not being able to match a bullet to a weapon doesn't mean the bullet is excluded. their findings can just be inconclusive. Full disclosure, I didn't read any follow up beyond "unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy to the rifle allegedly tied to Mr Robinson..." I'm just not that concerned.

allegorical oracle

(6,478 posts)
54. That's a rough row to hoe given that the suspect confessed the murder to
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:00 PM
3 hrs ago

his father. Seems like lawyers creating doubt to a) stall for time and b) potentially taint a jury pool.

idahoblue

(453 posts)
57. It was an inside job.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:51 PM
3 hrs ago

There has never been a merrier widow than Erika, the merriest widow ever.

Iggo

(49,927 posts)
61. I actually hope it doesn't match.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:28 PM
2 hrs ago

Other than KIRK’s kids, I don’t give a fuck about any of these people.

Can’t wait for Hair-On-Fire-Palooza.

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