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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo do you think Trump hired a hit person to
shoot someone standing close to him and then faked the rest of it?
dlilafae
(512 posts)31st Street Bridge
(263 posts)That's still the best sign/T-shirt I've seen.
It was all theatre. A bloody, fatal theatre.
I was amazed at how fast that photo of Secret Service agents lifting up the child rapist in Butler appeared on billboards here, north of Pittsburgh. They lifted the felon up like he was the flag at Iwo Jima.
Again, all theatre.
yellow dahlia
(6,895 posts)OhioBack2Blue
(227 posts)...the problem is people are really eing harmed, are suffering, unemployed, incomeless and not being hired, drowning in debt, being kicked off medicaid, being fired and unlicensed when living/ working as a person who is trans, having their constitutional rights being trampled, and being murdered.
fujiyamasan
(2,186 posts)Thats in addition to the gunman.
Could it have been staged? Perhaps, but we know Trump is also a big coward. Hes not brave enough to be in a situation where hed be close to the line of fire. Even if it wasnt staged, hes still a clown and a con man so he likely improvised his actions.
Obviously Trump did not give a shit about the man killed there. He even made some crude jokes about the widow preferring her slain husband being alive to a million dollars. He is a deranged sick fuck, so he would feel nothing if a few of his followers died, but he wouldnt put his own life in harms way.
Botany
(78,238 posts)A bullet wound does not heal in less than 2 weeks without leaving a scar or a scab.
pcdb
(143 posts)Or was the Biden admin in on the conspiracy?
tintinvotes
(152 posts)Trump's team was hand picked 🙄
they were in on it.
IzzaNuDay
(1,364 posts)Who in the F does he think hes fooling? Im hoping for a stroke or AAA to take him out. No time to fake those!!!
Whip-poor-will
(636 posts)Did the hit man demand payment upfront just in case ??
Rebl2
(18,006 posts)did. They know his record of not paying
Joe Cool
(1,097 posts)but Trump was not shot. That is a definite. Either the bullet whizzed close enough by his that it caused some bleeding or he hit his head on the podium or floor and that is what caused the bleeding. There is no way he got shot if there is no scar. Plus, why hasn't he released the medical records from Butler Hospital?
Polybius
(22,291 posts)Even if it ever-so-slightly nicked him, that technically counts as being shot.
rampartd
(5,500 posts)BattleRow
(2,753 posts)rampartd
(5,500 posts)"these are my people. they are not here to shoot me." trump (jan 6)
NoRethugFriends
(3,845 posts)ZZenith
(4,483 posts)Do you believe his doctor?
misanthrope
(9,680 posts)His ear was seen weeks later and it showed no such damage or trauma.
mzmolly
(52,882 posts)it was speculated that some of the glass from the Teleprompter hit his ear. I agree he was not shot. But it sure is strange how he posed for a photo op shortly after the injury, when people were still presumably in danger of being murdered.
LeftInTX
(34,959 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,299 posts)True Dough
(27,655 posts)Secret Service agents would have been fired for permitting that in a real life-and-death situation.
It was all photo op, and to rile up the MAGAts.
GenThePerservering
(4,086 posts)that one agent even scooted down so she wouldn't obscure a good look at Trump being all heroic.
He doesn't have the presence of mind to do any of that on his own. And wasn't he looking for his shoes, first?
Brother Buzz
(40,626 posts)Fear that his elevator shoes would remain on stage for the whole world to view was palpable.
misanthrope
(9,680 posts)But debris from something else was created because four LEOs near Trump were struck by it.
demmiblue
(40,075 posts)Irish_Dem
(82,786 posts)Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)
I think we have seen enough from these people that we can say a couple of dead rally attendees wouldn't make them lose any sleep. They've taken their senseless murder of hundreds of schoolgirls in their stride, so one or two magats are no big deal.
But here are the things that lead me to believe it was staged:
* A 20 year old maga kid who worked in the kitchen of an old age home was able to outwit the United States Secret Service and breach the security perimeter - by a lot - while carrying a gun bag. He was able to climb up on top of a white building while being dressed all in black, without being stopped.
*Said 20 year old, again dressed all in black, lay on top of the white building, with a gun, long enough for numerous rally attendees to point him out to police. No one did anything about him.
* The secret service knew he was on top of the building for 20 minutes before the shots, but did nothing about him. https://abcnews.com/US/trump-assassination-attempt-investigation-continues-new-details/story?id=112020474
*After the shot, the secret service violated ALL of it's own protocols to allow the target to stand exposed so a photo could be taken. This was before they could possibly have known that the threat was over.
*After the shot, there is video that is widely available of a secret service agent ushering photographers to a spot where the optimal photo could be taken, again before they could possibly have known the threat was over. And at this point, there was no reason for anyone to know the secret service would be violating all their own protocols to make the photo possible.
*The wound, which required a maxi pad in the first few days, was miraculously healed a week later, leaving no scab and no scar, despite the fact that the recipient is an old man with obvious health problems.
*We recently learned about a Russian plot to stage an identical event to help Orban get elected.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)The rule of 3 for major conspiracies would be shattered. And what about the police? Were they in on it too?
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)Who did nothing.
And it seems like the Secret Service is riddled with magats. Don't forget that Joe had to get rid of a bunch of the Secret Service guys who were on his detail. He chose a whole new crew because he didn't trust the original ones. Joe is not a guy prone to doing a lot of purging of staffs, so I think his choice to install agents he knew he could trust shows that he did not trust many of the others.
And no, it wouldn't have required that all the present agents were on it. The leader of the crew who allowed him to stand up could have given an order to stop and then Cankles posed for the picture. Then the one who shot the shooter, and maybe the one who positioned the photographers. That would have been sufficient.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)Not just the team leader, but the ones in the front too. Since some would have seen the kid, they would have had to be in on it too.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)while doing nothing to stop him. Some DID know the kid was there. For TWENTY minutes. Somehow, they did nothing about it.
Whether they were in on it, or were ordered to do nothing about the reports or about the guy they could plainly see on top of the building, I don't know. But that's what happened.
GenThePerservering
(4,086 posts)Polybius
(22,291 posts)Say "I was told to ignore the kid on the roof."
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,958 posts)And their pensions?
Or any number of things these criminals would do to their lives and their families' lives?
Polybius
(22,291 posts)To big to fire. Biden would not fire them anyway, and Trump would have gotten arrested. Then they could have written books and got rich.
travelingthrulife
(5,743 posts)They own the message. I have no problem believing his secret service and local PD are completely corrupted. Look at the entire Republican Congress and GOP controlled courts. They are all corrupt.
Cirsium
(4,230 posts)Years and years of abuse of children, hundreds of witnesses, the police, the head football coach, staff, the athletic director, the president of the university, coaches and administrators from other universities, many members of the press at the very least looked the other way for years and years.
If that conspiracy could occur to protect a stupid football program, do you really doubt that something much easier to accomplish could have been done to help Trump?
gab13by13
(33,072 posts)By Sandusky To the state police early on.
Republican governor Corbett gave a rookie trooper a desk and told him to investigate.
The PS trustees were also to blame, but Paterno was railroaded, he died and couldnt defend himself, he was the perfect scapegoat.
Cirsium
(4,230 posts)I won't give Paterno a pass. With the glory, the fame and the perks comes responsibility.
marble falls
(73,510 posts)Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)A little different, but a lot of the same elements.
These guys have no imagination. They probably got the idea from the movie.
AllyCat
(19,041 posts)Pulp Fiction, Call of Duty (VG), Independence Day, Silence of the Lambs, Patton why not Parallax View?
Grim Chieftain
(2,306 posts)There are so many unanswered questions and things that simply don't add up. We probably won't have all the answers in our lifetime but raising questions is important.
Thank you
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)The Secret Service acted in a way they had never acted before during an assassination attempt. In every other assassination attempt, the Secret Service surrounds and covers the target and hustles him away from danger.
But the guy who ushered the photographers to the bottom of the stairs knew the Secret Service was going to violate all its protocols and allow the photo op.
How could he possibly know that?
Grim Chieftain
(2,306 posts)at the West Palm Beach golf course. The feds were on that ASAP. There is so, so much that doesn't add up, but with Trump, lies and deception are standard operating procedure.
Question everything and doubt nothing.
raccoon
(32,502 posts)Sogo
(7,361 posts)"Wait, my shoes!"
Some believe he didn't want anyone to see the lifts he uses in his shoes....
Vogon_Glory
(10,428 posts)If his would-be assassin had been using a hunting rife with a scope, JD Vance would have found himself at the top of the Republican Party ticket in the 2024 Presidential election.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)But Vance wasn't nominated until a few days after the attempted assassination in July 2024. I think the Republicans would have taken it to the convention, where there'd be a serious fight with many contenders for the nomination.
That's what I was hoping we would have done.
Vogon_Glory
(10,428 posts)And on some parallel Earth, where whats-his-name or whats-his-names counterpart was mortally wounded, that must have been a very interesting Republican Party convention and general election. However, we live in the universe where God-Emperor Donald survived and we have one of the dystopian outcomes.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)And he wins even bigger than Trump did, because every MAGA voter is extremely motivated to vote.
Vogon_Glory
(10,428 posts)A trait our universes DeSantis lacks. Are you quite sure about the size of his victory? I would have thought that if he won it would have been by a far narrower margin.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)Look at W in 2000 and 2004. Although to be fair, his two opponents had no charisma either.
As for the size of his victory, I think MAGA would be super motivated, and Ron is (slightly) more capable than Trump, so the Right-leaning Indies who didn't vote may have voted for him.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)Plus that "hit person" as you call it would be shot himself, as the Secret Service would immediately fire back.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)Polybius
(22,291 posts)Anyone who ever watched a movie knows that politicians who pay for a hit wind up killing the assassin. Dead men tell no tales.
Liberal In Texas
(16,539 posts)I know this is a fantastical idea that these guys would lie, but maybe the kid was promised that he would get disappeared and shipped off somewhere tropical with a bag full of cash.
Polybius
(22,291 posts)They promise the assassin a ton of things, then they kill him. Unless the kid was just an idiot would believed anything.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)They believe Orange Jesus is their savior.
JI7
(93,908 posts)they would get if they were going to stage it.
He was a young MAGA incel loser type from a gun nut family .
He didn't have any friends or other social connections that would want to know more and look into it. The parents were MAGA and worship Trump.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)staging the event and that it would help his idol and he would be protected and allowed to escape. His success in getting inside the perimeter and lying on the roof for so long must have added to his confidence that was true.
I think it's likely he believed there was no plan to kill him.
Kaleva
(40,478 posts)Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)Kaleva
(40,478 posts)The Biden Administration had several months to investigate this and to tge best of our knowledge, no evidence of communication was found.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)marble falls
(73,510 posts)Kid Berwyn
(25,503 posts)Trump is murdering children, fishermen and anyone he wants right now.
Emile
(44,119 posts)bucolic_frolic
(56,326 posts)Either it was faked, or it was something analogous to "wind of the ball" injuries, a phenomenon known since the revolutionary war.
https://modelshipworld.com/topic/39282-wind-of-the-ball-injuries/
Emile
(44,119 posts)But, can't prove it.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)cell certainly disappeared from the news pretty quickly.
Seems like that video might have caused a war.
Emile
(44,119 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,895 posts)Ritabert
(2,823 posts)....while photographers were ushered to the best spot for a photo with the flag flying in the background tells you all you need to know. The photo appeared on merch within days. Contrast that with the attempt on Ronald Reagan where agents immediately shielded him with their bodies and whisked him into a limo.
Liberal In Texas
(16,539 posts)just as the commotion started to get into a position just behind the action for the photo background.
Ritabert
(2,823 posts)angrychair
(12,546 posts)There is video out there of it. Granted, it could be Al I guess but I've seen the video circulating.
John1956PA
(5,143 posts)As the fluid spews, the boom supporting the flag on that side of he stage falls a bit. The spray of fluid coincides with the shooter's first volley. I believe the round which nicked Trump's ear traveled on to strike the hydraulic equipment.
I do not know it there are videos showing further lowering of the flags subsequent to that initial partial boom drop.
Prairie Gates
(8,669 posts)I doubt it, but the actual lack of damage to the ear is disturbing at the very least.
Remember that Lee Zeldin probably faked an attack in Buffalo when he was running for governor of New York.
If the same scenario played out but nobody was hit or killed, far more people would be skeptical.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,470 posts)Do you think Trump is emotionally stable enough to take to a rally stage knowing a murder was going to take place?
Others would have had to be in on this plot - the SS, his campaign staff, etc.
This staged CT is currently growing among disenchanted MAGA supporters, so folks should be aware of what kind of club they are joining by promoting this CT.
Ms. Toad
(38,907 posts)Attilatheblond
(9,483 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(24,470 posts)Because this administration is the most incompetent in history.
Attilatheblond
(9,483 posts)Those people have people who can (and likely will) do anything, . He didn't have an administration at the time of the 'assassination attempt' as it was prior to the 2024 election.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,470 posts)Absolutely, positively zero evidence it was faked.
Edit: those who believe the assassination attempt was faked are in the same camp as MTG.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221184701
Attilatheblond
(9,483 posts)Others' mileage will vary.
Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)about January 6.
What's your point with that?
gab13by13
(33,072 posts)To stage an assassination to help him get elected.
Why wouldnt Putin tell agent Krasnov the same thing?
yellow dahlia
(6,895 posts)doc03
(39,235 posts)incompetence and maybe he was hit by a piece of glass. Why did the SS let him stand for his photo making him a perfect
target for a second shot, very strange? Was there ever a medical report about him being treated in a hospital?
LeftInTX
(34,959 posts)His SS detail was "former president". It was upped to candidate status after the shooting. However, he would automatically receive increased protection after the convention anyway.
I don't think SS could control him anyway. Remember what he did when he had Covid???
JoseBalow
(9,911 posts)Blue Full Moon
(3,789 posts)He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
DemMedic
(599 posts)x1000
rampartd
(5,500 posts)or possibly an "inconvenient" person
but the assassination was staged.
Retrograde
(11,482 posts)besides the gunman. One died, two recovered (were their names ever released? Did the locals or state police file any sort of report on their attempted murders? How badly were they injured?)
That's why I think the shooter really intended to kill Donnie. And being the opportunist he is, Trump played up a slight cut from flying debris into a full "I've been saved by god to run the country!" But without any hard data we can't know for sure.
misanthrope
(9,680 posts)The pieces are all there and known publicly if folks would just be willing to see them.
EdmondDantes_
(2,279 posts)Corey Comperatore, 50, was killed at the rally, and two others David Dutch and James Copenhaver were critically injured.
orangecrush
(31,850 posts)Norrrm
(6,098 posts)Meaning God killed the firefighter for Trump.
But then again, their god is Satan, so there is that.
Clouds Passing
(8,243 posts)Johonny
(26,859 posts)Possible. Hired a professional hitman...no.
lark
(26,138 posts)Now that he's learned about SS herding all the reporters to where they could get a good shot less than a few min; before the shooting has even him asking if it wasn't faked.
Mr.Bee
(1,982 posts)You don't build anything in Manhattan without the help of... you know who...
obnoxiousdrunk
(3,125 posts)mb40
(21 posts)but if it was, I think the guy on the roof fired blanks or was posed there with an unloaded gun because there is no way they would allow some inexperienced gunman to be in that position with real bullets. The man that was shot would have had to have been murdered by someone else in Trump's secret service at the same time, basically choosing a target in the crowd and the investigation conducted by his people.
Hope22
(4,959 posts)I thought that was the strangest thing but later replays did not show that. I always watched the replays and never saw that smacking again. Between that and the miracle ear heal it certainly left me wondering.
paleotn
(23,075 posts)He took advantage of a situation.
AllaN01Bear
(30,122 posts)travelingthrulife
(5,743 posts)He muffed the shot and killed someone. Then he was 'put down' according to plan
Trump asked at the hospital how it was playing on tv. There was no wound.
58Sunliner
(6,461 posts)I think he would have allowed anything if he thought it would improve his chances of getting elected. It also appealed to him as a chance to grift and play the hero. Classic narcissist traits. He is a psychopath.
Crunchy Frog
(28,299 posts)It was mostly done to create a justification to resume the war against Chechnya.
There's nothing that these evil creatures in pursuit of absolute power won't do.
58Sunliner
(6,461 posts)BradBo
(1,081 posts)ashredux
(2,985 posts)Nobody whos just been shot would do that
hamsterjill
(17,950 posts)Especially from someone who is as much a coward as this asshole obviously is. It was too much of a "John Wayne" moment for it to be real.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,051 posts)Srkdqltr
(10,141 posts)Hope his family profited.
angrychair
(12,546 posts)There can be no debate that his ear is perfectly normal, not a scar or mark on it.
If his ear is normal looking, then where did all the blood come from? That ridiculous bandage that was on his ear was not done by a medical professional but more likely than not, a makeup artist.
gibraltar72
(7,632 posts)on the white shirt. Pics I've seen seem to show all over face but white shirt shows none. That much "blood" would be all over collar.
Vinca
(54,546 posts)Tranquil72
(24 posts)I dont see how they could have managed it. Too many moving parts, and way too many potential whistleblowers in the aftermath. Somebody would have spilled the beans.
But there are many unanswered questions. I for one cannot explain that apparently undamaged ear. And Trump did seem almost prepared for the photo that followed. Out of such questions are conspiracy theories born.
Joinfortmill
(21,923 posts)dflprincess
(29,457 posts)The man who was killed was just "collateral damage". Probably wasn't supposed to happen.
NoRethugFriends
(3,845 posts)Are you folks all kidding, or do you really believe that.
biocube
(290 posts)...here is exhibit A. Believing in preposterous nonsense like this makes 2020 election conspiracy theories seem intelligent by comparison.
Remember that the FBI Biden oversaw confirmed he was hit by the bullet. Do you think they found a young man skilled enough to make an ear shot and was willing to let the secret service or police kill him?
Come on...
OLDMDDEM
(3,336 posts)True Dough
(27,655 posts)
True Dough
(27,655 posts)EDIT: I'm normally opposed to conspiracy theories, but when Trump is involved, I don't rule out ANY possibility!
muriel_volestrangler
(106,857 posts)Kaleva
(40,478 posts)Nobody has been able to produce any evidence that happened.
gab13by13
(33,072 posts)Kaleva
(40,478 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(5,273 posts)True Dough
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Fichefinder
(453 posts)But someone did.
struggle4progress
(127,185 posts)or one of his other supporters. I suspect that Miller and many of Trump's personal lawyers are corrupt enough; that JD and a bunch of Trump's political buddies are shamelessly opportunistic enough; and that any woman who's spent enough time with him is looking for a permanent escape. But there are so many possibilies, the mind boggles
Nictuku
(4,687 posts)Blue Full Moon
(3,789 posts)You know those crisis actors they always talk about. All of it smells.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-joins-list-of-people-questioning-trump-assassination-attempt_n_69e4e24be4b09c81bf18d646
Blue Owl
(60,075 posts)Optics have always been the fat fucks main concern.
moondust
(21,376 posts)Maybe he promised the guy a pardon when convicted but some of the Secret Service didn't get the message to only arrest any "troublemakers" and not to shoot them.
B.See
(9,060 posts)I'd say there's a high probability.
sarisataka
(22,992 posts)as the moon landings being faked and the theory the Titanic didn't sink, it was an insurance scam
True Dough
(27,655 posts)Conspiracy theories about the Butler, Pennsylvania, shooting have ramped up in recent weeks as once steadfast Trump supporters turn on the president
https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/
hamsterjill
(17,950 posts)I know an ear does NOT grow back when it's been blown off - even a small part of it. He was a reality television persona before his political career and I am sure he's capable of producing all kinds of stunts.
Just because we can't justify why it was staged does not mean that it was real. From day one, something has been suspicious about the whole episode.
Celerity
(55,357 posts)The CT dross continously popping up here is just so dire to see. The teleprompters were intact, people literally died, a bullet was photographed mid-flight, and the 'glass' that was seemingly endlessly ranted about back then was Trump's exposed ear cartilage.






Abolishinist
(3,110 posts)When claims this serious get made without evidence, it doesnt reflect especially wellon the argument or the forum.
At some point it stops being a discussion of what happened and becomes a discussion of what could be imagined.
John1956PA
(5,143 posts)That motion is simultaneous with the first shot. A photograph shows what could be a projectile moving south, away from T, after passing by the right side of his head. When T's right palm comes down from his right ear an instant later, it has blood on it. A second or two later, hydraulic fluid sprays from equipment at the south end of the deck.
Two or three more shots ensue in that first volley. The firefighter, seated to the north from where T was standing, is struck in the head by one of those rounds.
After a few seconds elapse, another volley commences. Video shows a male, south of where T was standing, sustaining the impact of a round to his abdomen. Another male is shot at this point. The injury is to his arm.
The sniper's volley concludes because of shots fired by one or more counter snipers. As I understand it, the first counter sniper round struck the sniper's rifle, rendering it inoperable. The second counter sniper round struck the sniper's head.
Chiefsfan
(2 posts)Did the shooter's family come into a lot of money?
IcyPeas
(25,979 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,958 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,895 posts)True Dough
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True Dough
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Scrivener7
(60,375 posts)Celerity
(55,357 posts)

Is a photo that shows Donald Trump with no damage to his ear immediately after the Butler assassination attempt authentic? No, that's not true: An online AI detection tool rated the image as 100% likely AI-generated. The account that originally posted the photo posts multiple AI images. Published images from the day of the assassination attempt show Trump with blood on his ear.
The claim appeared in an April 17, 2026, post on Facebook account @T.bigpicture (archived here). It opened:
WHITE HOUSE REJECTS CLAIM
TRUMP AS@SSINATION ATTEMPT WAS FAKE
CALLS IT IRRESPONSIBLE.
This is what the post looked like on Facebook at the time of writing:

Image source: post by @T.bigpicture on Facebook.
The account that posted the image Emery Gaming @T.bigpicture (archived here) shares multiple AI-generated photos. The post caption claimed the White House had denied that the Butler assassination attempt was faked and used an AI-generated image showing Trump without any blood or damage on his ear. It states:

A telltale sign of AI in the photo shows the car door bent in an impossible way behind Trump, as this screenshot shows (red highlight added by Lead Stories):

Trumpshot.jpeg
(Image source: post by @T.bigpicture on Facebook.)
snip
Celerity
(55,357 posts)True Dough
(27,655 posts)Do you know of any legitimate images that show scar tissue of any kind on Trump's ear?
Celerity
(55,357 posts)Trump's exposed ear cartilage (initial FUD and/or CT posts claimed it was 'glass'):


True Dough
(27,655 posts)that shows the scar from that wound. Do you know of any such images?
IcyPeas
(25,979 posts)The GoFundMe, which says it is "President Trump authorized" is organized by Meredith O'Rourke,
Top donations so far for the O'Rourke GoFundMe include $50,000 from the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, $50,000 from American Hartford Gold, $50,000 from UFC CEO White and $50,000 from the singer Kid Rock.
Other large, notable donations to the fundraiser include $30,000 from former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, $25,000 from the Scaramucci family and $15,000 from conservative pundit Ben Shapiro.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/07/15/gofundme-corey-comperatore-trump-rally-victims/74405721007/
Liberal In Texas
(16,539 posts)From Blue Sky
You can call it a hoax. You can call it a staged event. But mostly you can call it the workings of a sick, demented man.
— LC (@lc1summit.bsky.social) 2026-04-19T15:48:01.079Z
misanthrope
(9,680 posts)I find it far more likely he was nicked on the ear by debris as well. It seems more likely than Trump being grazed by a live round just lightly enough to graze skin yet suffer no effects from cavitation. That's why they have kept any following "medical report" largely obscured except for a curiously definitive pronouncement from Dr. Ronny "Pill-popper" Jackson.
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John1956PA
(5,143 posts)The first round grazed Trump's ear. Video shows he raised his hand to his ear simultaneously with the sound of the first shot. (There may have been debris flying from a subsequent shot, after Trump was pulled to the ground by the Secret Service detail.) Also, I believe the high-shutter-speed photo shows the grazing bullet in mid-air air (a few feet past Trump) after it grazed him.
In televised remarks about ten days before the Butler County attempt on Trump's life, President Biden was asked if he would release all medical records regarding his neurological testing, a fair question considering his first debate performance. President Biden replied that he would not do do. President Biden stated that, no matter how extensive such a release would be, there would still be those who would criticize their content and completeness, and who would otherwise and nit pick at them.
I think both President Biden and Trump were correct in putting a limit on how many medical records were released from their respective charts.
misanthrope
(9,680 posts)Can you tell that the object is an actual ballistic round or is it just a blur? If it is a blur, could it have been debris?
If the round passed that close to his ear, should there have been more effects from cavitation?
John1956PA
(5,143 posts)I welcome scrutiny of the evidence. I am not an expert on camera shutter speeds and related optics matters to personally determine the speed of the object which produced the streak shown in the first Pulitzer Prize winning photo shown below.



As an aside, I will mention that this instant of time corresponds to the beginning of the failure of the hydraulic lift which was located in the direction of travel of the object. The failure was caused by a sudden breakage in the hydraulic fluid circuit.
misanthrope
(9,680 posts)in some way, compromising hydraulic pressure.
bluestarone
(22,551 posts)I know 100% that TSF is capable of doing any God Dam thing that NORMAL Americans would NEVER do!! That's a fact!
Kaleva
(40,478 posts)Doodley
(12,144 posts)to the most senior secret service official there that day.
A "Manchurian candidate" is a politician or person in a position of influence who is secretly manipulated, programmed, or brainwashed by an enemy power to act as a puppet against their own country's interests. Often acting unwittingly, the individual appears independent but serves a foreign or hidden agenda.
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Liberal In Texas
(16,539 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,299 posts)handle all of the actual details for him. I don't think he's got enough executive function to arrange the whole thing himself.
Apparently the russians were talking about trying something similar with Viktor Orban.
EdmondDantes_
(2,279 posts)They couldn't pull that off much less keep quiet. Trump got lucky the assassin missed and that he was able to milk it for attention. He's a relentless self promoter.
Kaleva
(40,478 posts)Or is the pawn of a group of masterminds.
The crap we see reported almost daily by reputable sources confirm otherwise.
flvegan
(66,661 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(11,534 posts)He and his minions don't give a shit about causing collateral damage.
CNYHarris
(154 posts)Ventura believes it to be a box cutter incident.
Remember the Secret Service was reportedly in on 1/6 too.
secret service tried to take mike pence away from the capitol to throw the election to trump. grassley was reported to be ready to challenge the result after pence was taken away by the SS.
True Dough
(27,655 posts)Donhammed Trumpistan
@TheRealDon85
Question Of The Day: Who the fuck chooses not to investigate their own assassination attempt?
Link to tweet
The_Counsel
(1,758 posts)I mean seriously...how many angles have we seen of that "assassination attempt?" And in NONE of them, do we see anyone in the crowd actually getting hit. No bodies going down. No one ducking for cover. No one tending to the wounded.
Just Orange Julius Caesar grabbing for is ear and ducking behind the podium (which is hardly protection for one under fire, BTW).
Follwed by agents "tackling" him and providing cover while the ketchup packet is applied.
Then helping him up so he can pose for a photo op--not what a security detail should be doing if the person they're guarding has just been shot at.
It was all a show, kids.
Hell, even the alleged shooter had been "killed" and any public evidence of HIS existence has disappeared.
I'll never be convinced that this was anything more than a setup....
John1956PA
(5,143 posts)I saw the video. I think it is on YouTube.
ON EDIT: The particular video I watched in 2024 was a bit sharper, but here is a link to another video which nonetheless does show the two audience members being hit. The relevant sequence occurs at about one minute, twenty seconds:
John1956PA
(5,143 posts)The name of the man who produced the video is Mike Bell. One year after he posted his 2024 video, he posted a comment on it by which he made a correction. He stated that he was wrong about the male looking north. By his correction, Mr. Ball states that the male was not taking a bullet, but he was bending over to avoid any potential projectiles.
I appreciate the scrutiny posted in this thread. It has led me to review my understanding of the July 13, 2024, event.
ecstatic
(35,155 posts)Per the Washington Post:
Isn't there a chance they also attempted to boost tRump's chances using similar methods? There are a lot of red flags when it comes to the situation that occurred.
We can look at tRump's past video footage and see that he gets extremely frightened in a lot of situations - for example, with the bird on his desk, or his hiding out in the bunker during the 2020 protests.
So are we now to believe that he heard shots ring out and whiz past his head but instead of running for cover he's putting on his shoes and staging a photo op?
I understand that the obvious, common sense thought pattern would be: why would someone risk getting shot in the head? Or why would someone risk one of their own supporters getting killed?
But you have to remember who we're dealing with. tRump is an extremely ignorant, stupid, impulsive, and amoral sociopath. He's also an authoritarian, black and white thinker. So if he's convinced that there are individuals who can handle that type of operation, he's not going to have doubts or second thoughts.
jmowreader
(53,548 posts)I believe there are plenty of MAGAts who would have done it for free, which is all Trump wants to pay for anything.