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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPhelan was fired because he cannot get Trump's "battleships" built by 2028
Why Can't the US Build Ships?
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-cant-the-us-build-ships
Another worrying indicator is shipbuilding capacity. Commercial shipbuilding in the U.S. is virtually nonexistent: in 2022, the U.S. built just five oceangoing commercial ships, compared to Chinas 1,794 and South Koreas 734. The U.S. Navy estimates that Chinas shipbuilding capacity is 232 times our own. It costs roughly twice as much to build a ship in the U.S. as it does elsewhere. The commercial shipbuilders that do exist only survive thanks to protectionist laws like the Jones Act, which serve to prop up an industry which is uncompetitive internationally. As a result, the U.S. annually imports over 4 trillion dollars worth of goods, 40% of which are delivered by ship (more than by any other mode of transportation), but those ships are overwhelmingly built elsewhere.
BlueTsunami2018
(5,025 posts)Im not sure how much I can say about it so Ill leave out the details but I can assure you the Navy is building ships right now.
hlthe2b
(114,281 posts)charge Mark Kelley for his video "instigation to refuse (illegal) orders"...
LetMyPeopleVote
(180,895 posts)The Navy secretary, John Phelan, was supposed to deliver the first of the presidents ships by 2028. The timeline was nearly impossible.
Link to tweet
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/23/us/politics/trump-navy-secretary.html?unlocked_article_code=1.dFA.-O4X.f4VsdDqaN8QD&smid=url-share
Theyll be the fastest, the biggest and by far 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built, Mr. Trump boasted at a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate and resort in Florida a few days before Christmas. Mr. Phelan, a billionaire investor who has a home near the club, stood next to the president as he made the announcement.
Mr. Phelans job was to deliver the first of Mr. Trumps battleships by 2028.
On Wednesday, Mr. Trump fired Mr. Phelan, who had struggled to come up with a plan to deliver the ships on the nearly impossible timeline that Mr. Trump has demanded, senior defense and administration officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.....
Presidents rarely pay close attention to military procurement, but Mr. Trump has spoken repeatedly about his plans for a new Trump-class battleship. In a February speech to soldiers at Fort Bragg, N.C., Mr. Trump insisted that he had helped design the new class of ships that bear his name......
In Mr. Trumps imagination the new warship would be massive, weighing as much as 40,000 tons, and would be packed with new high-tech weapons, like lasers, hypersonic missiles and electric rail guns, most of which are still in development and years from being deployed.
In recent weeks, it had become clear to Mr. Phelan that the Navy and the U.S. shipbuilding industry did not have the ability to deliver on Mr. Trumps vision. Mr. Phelan recently suggested to Mr. Trump that the Navy might have to rely on European shipyards to deliver the battleships on the ambitious timeline Mr. Trump was demanding, senior military and administration officials said.
Mr. Trump rejected the suggestion.
Battleships are not practical or effective in today's world. trump wanted magical battleships that bore his name and fired Phelan for promising these magical battleships and not delivering.
Whip-poor-will
(376 posts)Drones
haele
(15,497 posts)Those things were built to be cheap and disposable, poor quality steel, bare bones low speed oil fueled steam engines with no emergency back-up and barely enough electrical power to power the lights and radios needed for habitation and navigation. They still took about three months to build.
I spent 20 years in the Navy, worked in Shipyards for around 40 years. My home is on a canyon/hill side that overlooks NASSCO, which builds Navy and large commercial ships.
I can attest, shipbuilding is not like getting a 100k piece metal Lego set and dropping a rebuilt Rolls Royce engine in it, put some launchers and guns on it, then dropping in into the water and throwing the electronics on it.
Even if one can get a common (as in, across all hulls in the class) MilSPEC ship design for a combat ready ship class approved, funded, and completed in one year, it still takes a minimum of two years to build and launch each Navy ship (Commercial ships appear to take one year), and another year to complete all the other installations and testing before the ship is ready to be deployed.
Not to mention that some engineering, combat or communications/navigations systems take almost two years to procure and get ready to install from a manufacturer. You can't just pick up a Supersonic Missile Launcher on Amazon Prime using Next Day Shipping.
Four years at a minimum to build a combat ready ship that could be operational for at least 10 years.
Do you as a taxpayer want foot a 2 Billion dollar bill for a supposedly a highly technical combat ready ship that only will last maybe one underway deployment, because the "Department of Manly Man War" wants to shove a brand new destroyer, battleship, or carrier (aircraft or Marines) into the water every six to eight months?
On edit - and as a poster up thread pointed out - warfare is changing - it's drones. And support ships. Not ships that make a big boom...
DET
(2,554 posts)Why cant anyone say no to this asinine idea.