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AverageOldGuy

(4,034 posts)
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 11:45 AM Friday

Phelan was fired because he cannot get Trump's "battleships" built by 2028

Why Can't the US Build Ships?

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-cant-the-us-build-ships


For those of us worried about America’s ability to manufacture things, there’s no shortage of worrying indicators to point to. Manufacturing employment has fallen by a third from its peak in 1979, even as the population has grown by nearly 50% over the same period. Storied manufacturing companies like Boeing and Intel are struggling. From machine tools to industrial robots to consumer electronics, the list of American industries where manufacturing capability has been hollowed out is long.

Another worrying indicator is shipbuilding capacity. Commercial shipbuilding in the U.S. is virtually nonexistent: in 2022, the U.S. built just five oceangoing commercial ships, compared to China’s 1,794 and South Korea’s 734. The U.S. Navy estimates that China’s shipbuilding capacity is 232 times our own. It costs roughly twice as much to build a ship in the U.S. as it does elsewhere. The commercial shipbuilders that do exist only survive thanks to protectionist laws like the Jones Act, which serve to prop up an industry which is uncompetitive internationally. As a result, the U.S. annually imports over 4 trillion dollars worth of goods, 40% of which are delivered by ship (more than by any other mode of transportation), but those ships are overwhelmingly built elsewhere.
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Phelan was fired because he cannot get Trump's "battleships" built by 2028 (Original Post) AverageOldGuy Friday OP
Funny, I'm currently working for a ship building company. BlueTsunami2018 Friday #1
Also reported he was fired for refusing to ignore judge's order against Hegseth's attempt to hlthe2b Friday #2
Trump's Dreams for a Battleship Led to His Navy Secretary's Ouster (NYT Gift Article) LetMyPeopleVote Friday #3
Old idea Whip-poor-will Friday #4
The Navy isn't building WWII Liberty Ships anymore... haele Friday #5
Trump thinks he's playing a video game. DET Friday #6

BlueTsunami2018

(5,025 posts)
1. Funny, I'm currently working for a ship building company.
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 11:53 AM
Friday

I’m not sure how much I can say about it so I’ll leave out the details but I can assure you the Navy is building ships right now.

hlthe2b

(114,281 posts)
2. Also reported he was fired for refusing to ignore judge's order against Hegseth's attempt to
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 11:59 AM
Friday

charge Mark Kelley for his video "instigation to refuse (illegal) orders"...

LetMyPeopleVote

(180,895 posts)
3. Trump's Dreams for a Battleship Led to His Navy Secretary's Ouster (NYT Gift Article)
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 12:30 PM
Friday

The Navy secretary, John Phelan, was supposed to deliver the first of the president’s ships by 2028. The timeline was nearly impossible.



https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/23/us/politics/trump-navy-secretary.html?unlocked_article_code=1.dFA.-O4X.f4VsdDqaN8QD&smid=url-share

President Trump wanted one thing, more than anything else, from his secretary of the Navy, John Phelan: a new class of battleships.

They’ll be the fastest, the biggest and by far — 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built,” Mr. Trump boasted at a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate and resort in Florida a few days before Christmas. Mr. Phelan, a billionaire investor who has a home near the club, stood next to the president as he made the announcement.

Mr. Phelan’s job was to deliver the first of Mr. Trump’s battleships by 2028.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump fired Mr. Phelan, who had struggled to come up with a plan to deliver the ships on the nearly impossible timeline that Mr. Trump has demanded, senior defense and administration officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.....

Presidents rarely pay close attention to military procurement, but Mr. Trump has spoken repeatedly about his plans for a new “Trump-class” battleship. In a February speech to soldiers at Fort Bragg, N.C., Mr. Trump insisted that he had helped design the new class of ships that bear his name......

In Mr. Trump’s imagination the new warship would be massive, weighing as much as 40,000 tons, and would be packed with new high-tech weapons, like lasers, hypersonic missiles and electric rail guns, most of which are still in development and years from being deployed.

In recent weeks, it had become clear to Mr. Phelan that the Navy and the U.S. shipbuilding industry did not have the ability to deliver on Mr. Trump’s vision. Mr. Phelan recently suggested to Mr. Trump that the Navy might have to rely on European shipyards to deliver the battleships on the ambitious timeline Mr. Trump was demanding, senior military and administration officials said.

Mr. Trump rejected the suggestion.

Battleships are not practical or effective in today's world. trump wanted magical battleships that bore his name and fired Phelan for promising these magical battleships and not delivering.

haele

(15,497 posts)
5. The Navy isn't building WWII Liberty Ships anymore...
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 02:58 PM
Friday

Those things were built to be cheap and disposable, poor quality steel, bare bones low speed oil fueled steam engines with no emergency back-up and barely enough electrical power to power the lights and radios needed for habitation and navigation. They still took about three months to build.
I spent 20 years in the Navy, worked in Shipyards for around 40 years. My home is on a canyon/hill side that overlooks NASSCO, which builds Navy and large commercial ships.
I can attest, shipbuilding is not like getting a 100k piece metal Lego set and dropping a rebuilt Rolls Royce engine in it, put some launchers and guns on it, then dropping in into the water and throwing the electronics on it.
Even if one can get a common (as in, across all hulls in the class) MilSPEC ship design for a combat ready ship class approved, funded, and completed in one year, it still takes a minimum of two years to build and launch each Navy ship (Commercial ships appear to take one year), and another year to complete all the other installations and testing before the ship is ready to be deployed.
Not to mention that some engineering, combat or communications/navigations systems take almost two years to procure and get ready to install from a manufacturer. You can't just pick up a Supersonic Missile Launcher on Amazon Prime using Next Day Shipping.
Four years at a minimum to build a combat ready ship that could be operational for at least 10 years.
Do you as a taxpayer want foot a 2 Billion dollar bill for a supposedly a highly technical combat ready ship that only will last maybe one underway deployment, because the "Department of Manly Man War" wants to shove a brand new destroyer, battleship, or carrier (aircraft or Marines) into the water every six to eight months?

On edit - and as a poster up thread pointed out - warfare is changing - it's drones. And support ships. Not ships that make a big boom...

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