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obamanut2012

(29,477 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 05:46 PM Monday

Cole Thomas Allen did not shoot anyone

It is also doubtful he even fired the shotgun. No mention of his discharging his weapons, although a shotgun was mentioned Saturday, when it was also claimed Allen had been killed. No mention of discharging his weapons in the affidavit, and even Blanche didn't say he fired a gun. The SS hit had to have been by friendly fire -- as per the Feds, only law enforcement fired anything.

EVERYONE since Saturday night calls him The Shooter, and that he hit an SS agent, because they want that narrative, but it is FALSE.

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Cole Thomas Allen did not shoot anyone (Original Post) obamanut2012 Monday OP
This is very UNsurprising. RockRaven Monday #1
Yeah, but Leavitt etal keep saying it obamanut2012 Monday #2
The Big Lie Wicked Blue Monday #10
Setting a false narrative,... is so very difficult to correct and reverse. magicarpet Monday #34
KKKarolyn lies daily - it appears to be her sole job. nt TBF Monday #27
KKKarolyin! With the cross. Traildogbob Monday #29
Right?! She's so ridiculous. nt TBF Monday #33
She would. 🙄 ShazzieB Tuesday #65
When I was reading comments right after it happened JI7 Monday #3
Yup, my wife and I thought the same obamanut2012 Monday #16
Exactly GCG Tuesday #57
So true. AZ8theist Tuesday #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Ruby the Liberal Tuesday #47
I'm Still Thinking The Whole Thing Was Staged Mr.Bee Tuesday #51
Why is it so hard not to laugh? leftstreet Monday #4
From the FBI charging affidavit: sop Monday #5
You don't go out of your way to word it like that... W_HAMILTON Monday #7
With all the witnesses present, including an officer who was shot in the vest and survived to give his account, sop Monday #8
They will have tested his guns to see if they had been fired recently. They do know. flashman13 Monday #41
They are in control of the evidence. returnee Tuesday #46
Good analysis, flashman13. Diamond_Dog Tuesday #52
Ding Ding Ding Prairie Gates Monday #24
Ambiguity and cover story of who shot the ss agent MerryBlooms Monday #38
Thankyou for providing some factual information Disaffected Monday #9
So all this affidavit really says . . . markpkessinger Monday #11
I've read the affidavit several times, but I still find it peculiarly unclear on that important point. sop Monday #13
Is he charged with possession of a weapon? underpants Monday #30
There were plenty of insurrectionists on Jan6 who brought guns into the capitol. Wiz Imp Monday #37
The Heller case struck down the DC handgun ban in 2008...but carrying did break some laws lostnfound Tuesday #44
This message was self-deleted by its author mzmolly Monday #15
He ran through security with a long gun! FHRRK1 Monday #39
More detail: Celerity Tuesday #43
The 63 Chevy Corvair dweller Tuesday #60
The '63 or '64 2 door Corvairs were a great looking car IMHO: Celerity Tuesday #62
I owned a 64 dweller Tuesday #64
The charge of discharge of a weapon is based... LudwigPastorius Tuesday #63
Blanche did not answer when asked obamanut2012 Monday #17
Perhaps the SS agent was struck by a round fired at Allen by another officer as he ran past the checkpoint? sop Monday #21
General fuckups are not conspiracies Prairie Gates Monday #25
There are only two possibilities Danascot Tuesday #50
"Give 'em that old razzle dazzle!" ChazInAz Tuesday #59
He was not even on the same floor as the event. He was one floor above it. Autumn Monday #6
And way down the other end obamanut2012 Monday #18
I read that his family had warned secret service about him a day or two before the event. Autumn Tuesday #54
There are security cams throughout purr-rat beauty Monday #12
It appeared to me that he was running from something/gunfire? mzmolly Monday #14
He was running towards the security checkpoint obamanut2012 Monday #20
Two things can be true. ;) mzmolly Monday #23
As a juror, I couldn't convict RainCaster Monday #19
He took guns across state lines and planned to use them in a crime questionseverything Tuesday #42
Well, he may have attempted or thought about doing the crime... haele Tuesday #58
He wrote about his desire to kill as many as he could questionseverything Tuesday #61
That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more! BidenRocks Monday #22
If he fired the shotgun then the officer would have had to go to the hospital... Historic NY Monday #26
Right! FHRRK1 Monday #40
The spread isnt going Boo1 Tuesday #45
thank you... anyone who has ever fired buck knows this WarGamer Tuesday #70
I always thought the secret service agent was shot by one of his own dem4decades Monday #28
Yep malaise Monday #31
First he's dead then he's not MustLoveBeagles Monday #32
I have the same observation. yellow dahlia Monday #35
Questioning The Official Story will get you scolded Orrex Monday #36
Once again, we see how many people understand the process of legal prosecution, and how many simply do not. WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #48
No worries obamanut2012 Tuesday #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Tuesday #49
Sounds like a Cornucopia of bullshit lies. chouchou Tuesday #53
No one with any degree of intelligence believes anything the peodpres' peoples say. efhmc Tuesday #56
THAT popsdenver Tuesday #66
I know nothing about guns but if one wants to take out a lot of people why not use an automatic weapon of some sort? efhmc Tuesday #67
This is one of many reasons I would like to see Mark Kelly as the 2028 nominee AdamGG Tuesday #68
The guy attempted to run into a room with loaded weapons PCB66 Tuesday #71

RockRaven

(19,648 posts)
1. This is very UNsurprising.
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:02 PM
Monday

The first reports of details of events like this are often wrong. Even when highly placed law enforcement are the ones talking.

magicarpet

(19,099 posts)
34. Setting a false narrative,... is so very difficult to correct and reverse.
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 08:07 PM
Monday

Manufacturing a false narrative is a common weapon found in the bag of tricks used by Fascists. It immediately creates false aspersions dumped upon your adversaries to dehumanize and to make more of a monster out of them. Ripe for scorn, ridicule, and intense hatred.

Kristi Noem, Gregory Bonvino, and Ka$h Patel do it all the time. Get your foot in the door before anyone else - then you control the narrative and the messaging.

Ethics and justice are conked in the head,... then tossed into and locked up in the trunk. The Fascists then become the designated drivers. trDUMP thinks this shows initiative and comments profusely in support of people of this caliber and ilk, because this is his go to modus operandi too. Fascist think, Fascists say, and Fascists do - as they mimic and proudly duplicate the ways of their hate filled brethren. Stuck in a self perpetuating cycle of achieving hellacious results.

ShazzieB

(22,781 posts)
65. She would. 🙄
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 12:29 PM
Tuesday

If there is a lie to be lied or a fact to be ignored that would help her bend a narrative to be more to her liking, she will lie, ignore, and/or bend with all her might, every time.

JI7

(93,808 posts)
3. When I was reading comments right after it happened
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:04 PM
Monday

it made it sound like he had actually shot at Trump but it missed.

Only hours later I saw he wasn't even in the room.

obamanut2012

(29,477 posts)
16. Yup, my wife and I thought the same
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:06 PM
Monday

I have been in that Hilton for past conferences, and he was far, far away, not even on the same floor.

AZ8theist

(7,530 posts)
69. So true.
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 05:24 PM
Tuesday

They are charging him with attempted assassination of the President.
He was NOWHERE near Dotard.

This was all staged for 2 reasons:

1. Distract from the TrumpStein files since an award for that reporting was to be given that night. No WAY Dotard was going to be present for that, and;

2. Shill for his stupid ballroom. Now it comes out the Repukes want the taxpayers to fund it! Who could have seen that coming??


November can't come soon enough.......

Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Mr.Bee

(1,883 posts)
51. I'm Still Thinking The Whole Thing Was Staged
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 09:27 AM
Tuesday

did anyone search trump's pockets for a ketchup packet??

leftstreet

(41,160 posts)
4. Why is it so hard not to laugh?
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:06 PM
Monday

This is serious business
Trump could have been
His Cabinet members could have

Thank Gawdz this Juice Box Gen Participation Trophy Shooter didn't harm anyone

sop

(19,064 posts)
5. From the FBI charging affidavit:
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:10 PM
Monday

The complete FBI charging affidavit:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782.1.1_1.pdf

Brief section of the affidavit:



The charging affidavit does not specifically state Allen fired his weapon(s). It states: "As he did so, U.S. Secret Service personnel assigned to the checkpoint heard a loud gunshot. U.S. Secret Service Officer V.G. was shot once in the chest; Officer V.G. was wearing a ballistic vest at the time." The phrase "firearms that ALLEN possessed and/or fired at the Washington Hilton hotel in Washington, D.C. on April 25, 2026" is not very clear. The affidavit is very detailed in all other areas, but it doesn't say Allen shot an officer, or fired at anyone.

W_HAMILTON

(10,406 posts)
7. You don't go out of your way to word it like that...
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:17 PM
Monday

...if you knew the guy fired his gun.

Either they don't know -- how is that even a possibility at this point? -- or he didn't.

sop

(19,064 posts)
8. With all the witnesses present, including an officer who was shot in the vest and survived to give his account,
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:25 PM
Monday

you'd think someone at the scene could state, with a degree of certainty, it was Allen who fired his weapon(s), and actually shot someone.

flashman13

(2,516 posts)
41. They will have tested his guns to see if they had been fired recently. They do know.
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 11:25 PM
Monday

They just don't want to say. They don't want to admit that, "The SHOOTER", didn't shooted. And they would have to admit they were responsible for all of the mayhem. And they are really poor shots too. They took down one of their own. Real lucky there was no collateral damage.

Honest, I think Trump has this left handed super power. It's like an infection. People that are exposed to him get real stupid. At one time I, and I'm sure many others, would have said the Secret Service was the premier U.S. police force specializing in protection of principals. Now they really look like the Keystone Cops. Trump causes every person and institution around him to rot from the inside.

You would have to have some sort of super power to bankrupt five casinos.

returnee

(959 posts)
46. They are in control of the evidence.
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 08:12 AM
Tuesday

I give ZERO credence to ANYTHING this administration says.

MerryBlooms

(12,368 posts)
38. Ambiguity and cover story of who shot the ss agent
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 10:48 PM
Monday

Meh, they fired off who knows how many rounds, missed the suspect and shot one of their own. Good grief.

Disaffected

(6,517 posts)
9. Thankyou for providing some factual information
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:26 PM
Monday

(which is sometimes sorely lacking).

BTW, sounds like officer VG was not a very good shot.

markpkessinger

(8,930 posts)
11. So all this affidavit really says . . .
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:49 PM
Monday

. . . is that the two firearms that were recovered from Allen were ones that Allen himself had purchased in California. But they haven't established that either of those two weapons were actually fired on the premises!

sop

(19,064 posts)
13. I've read the affidavit several times, but I still find it peculiarly unclear on that important point.
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:58 PM
Monday

Mind you, I don't want to be accused of posting "conspiracy theories" or "AI slop," but it does raise some questions.

underpants

(196,950 posts)
30. Is he charged with possession of a weapon?
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:56 PM
Monday

Having a gun in DC is a crime and taken very seriously. The Jan 6thers stored their guns across the river in Va - they weren’t stupid, they knew what having A gun in DC meant let alone the luggage cart if them that they had.

lostnfound

(17,590 posts)
44. The Heller case struck down the DC handgun ban in 2008...but carrying did break some laws
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 07:27 AM
Tuesday

Can’t carry in a place that serves alcohol.
Can’t open carry.
Non-residents can transport guns only unloaded and in a locked container

Response to markpkessinger (Reply #11)

FHRRK1

(77 posts)
39. He ran through security with a long gun!
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 11:03 PM
Monday

So he had a pistol and a shotgun.

it is like the scene from My Cousin Vinnie where Marisa Tomei states:

"Now, in the '60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction... One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark"

Ain't one fucking person in LE that confuse a long gun with a pistol.

Celerity

(54,782 posts)
43. More detail:
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 05:43 AM
Tuesday

There were 2 features needed:

1. Independent rear suspension.

2. Positraction.

There were 3 US made cars from the early 1960s with both features:

The 1963 Pontiac Tempest, the Chevrolet Corvette, and the Chevrolet Corvair.

The 1964 Buick Skylark mentioned in the film had a standard open differential.

See:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104952/quotes/

snip

Mona Lisa Vito: The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make those marks without positraction, which was not available on the '64 Buick Skylark!
Vinny Gambini: And why not? What is positraction?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
Juror #1: That's right.
Vinny Gambini: Is that it?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, there's more! You see? When the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even? Well, the '64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge. But that didn't happen here. The tire mark stayed flat and even. This car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the '60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, width, weight, wheel base, and wheel track as the '64 Skylark, and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
Vinny Gambini: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?
Mona Lisa Vito: They were!
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Ms. Vito. No more questions. Thank you very, very much.
[kissing her hands]
Vinny Gambini: You've been a lovely, lovely witness.

snip

1964 Buick Skylark



1963 Pontiac Tempest




dweller

(28,585 posts)
64. I owned a 64
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 11:46 AM
Tuesday

2 door blue Monza like your 1st pic .
Loved that car , it was a three speed manual .


✌🏻

LudwigPastorius

(14,909 posts)
63. The charge of discharge of a weapon is based...
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 11:40 AM
Tuesday

on there being an empty shell still in his shotgun. Forensics will try to find any buckshot at the scene to bolster that.

obamanut2012

(29,477 posts)
17. Blanche did not answer when asked
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:07 PM
Monday

I watched the presser.and, read carefully: they dod not state he fired his shotgun.

sop

(19,064 posts)
21. Perhaps the SS agent was struck by a round fired at Allen by another officer as he ran past the checkpoint?
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:15 PM
Monday

Forgive me for being so conspiratorial...

Prairie Gates

(8,377 posts)
25. General fuckups are not conspiracies
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:31 PM
Monday

They are the norm. The number of people shot by police trying to shoot at somebody else is breathtaking.

Danascot

(5,260 posts)
50. There are only two possibilities
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 09:24 AM
Tuesday

Either Allen shot the SS agent or someone else with a gun (likely LE) shot the agent.

Unless of course it was aliens.

Autumn

(48,992 posts)
6. He was not even on the same floor as the event. He was one floor above it.
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:14 PM
Monday

If his goal was to harm anyone he failed.

Autumn

(48,992 posts)
54. I read that his family had warned secret service about him a day or two before the event.
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 09:42 AM
Tuesday

Haven't seen it reported on TV yet.

mzmolly

(52,829 posts)
14. It appeared to me that he was running from something/gunfire?
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 06:59 PM
Monday

Though, I've only seen a snippet of the video circulating.

mzmolly

(52,829 posts)
23. Two things can be true. ;)
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:17 PM
Monday

I didn't see a weapon drawn. Then again, the video is pretty blurry.

I think, given the manifesto, he likely planned to do what he said he was going to do. I also understand that police were made aware (by the family) prior.

I'm sure we'll learn more as time goes on.

RainCaster

(13,820 posts)
19. As a juror, I couldn't convict
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:09 PM
Monday

The DOJ is going to need some additional details if they want my vote...
This is certainly not enough to convict someone of anything other than running in a hotel hallway.

questionseverything

(11,899 posts)
42. He took guns across state lines and planned to use them in a crime
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 03:43 AM
Tuesday

That’s pretty clear

Just having them in dc is illegal but I agree there’s nothing showing the attempt was made yet

haele

(15,514 posts)
58. Well, he may have attempted or thought about doing the crime...
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 11:01 AM
Tuesday

But we don't sentence people in jail for life or execute them for thinking about committing a crime. There needs to be a crime actually committed, and charged at the appropriate level.

There's still a lot of things he could be charged on, but not what the Administration is starting to position themselves to charge him with.

I'm not a mentalist or psychic (maybe mental or psycho, but that's something else), but I see jury nullification and/or charges being thrown out in his future.

questionseverything

(11,899 posts)
61. He wrote about his desire to kill as many as he could
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 11:28 AM
Tuesday

The crossing of state lines to commit a crime is the first crime

BidenRocks

(3,429 posts)
22. That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more!
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:16 PM
Monday

There is too much bullshit that I can't even watch the local news. That's cause the suspect lives in LA.
BREAKING NEWS!
Enough with an assassination which never was.
Unless chump is going to build a ballroom in every public school, he can fuck off.
Politicians are not more important than our children!

Historic NY

(40,110 posts)
26. If he fired the shotgun then the officer would have had to go to the hospital...
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 07:33 PM
Monday

there is not was the shoot would not have scattered, if it was a slugs he'd probably be in the morgue.they would cause blunt force trauma

FHRRK1

(77 posts)
40. Right!
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 11:07 PM
Monday

The Manifesto said he would NOT use slugs. So unless it was very close range there is no way a bullet proof vest is full protection. The agent would have had hits to the arms and face.

Boo1

(428 posts)
45. The spread isnt going
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 08:07 AM
Tuesday

To be very large. Buckshot at 25 feet only has a few inches of spread.

MustLoveBeagles

(17,044 posts)
32. First he's dead then he's not
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 08:01 PM
Monday

I've also heard conflicting info over who fired their gun. Was it the suspect or the SS? I'm confused. It's the reason I'm so sceptical of the official account. It seems very fluid.

yellow dahlia

(6,339 posts)
35. I have the same observation.
Mon Apr 27, 2026, 08:17 PM
Monday

While all the agents from various agents were running around in the hallway area, not knowing what they were dealing with, there was an officer who could be heard saying "what the fuck, what the fuck". And then a voice (I think it is the same one) can be heard saying: "WATCH YOUR CROSSFIRE".

I think there was friendly fire.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,140 posts)
48. Once again, we see how many people understand the process of legal prosecution, and how many simply do not.
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 08:20 AM
Tuesday

(not aimed at you, OP)

Response to obamanut2012 (Original post)

popsdenver

(2,483 posts)
66. THAT
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 01:01 PM
Tuesday

was exactly what I thought when I heard an agent had been shot......Friendly fire..........

efhmc

(16,888 posts)
67. I know nothing about guns but if one wants to take out a lot of people why not use an automatic weapon of some sort?
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

AdamGG

(1,889 posts)
68. This is one of many reasons I would like to see Mark Kelly as the 2028 nominee
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 02:50 PM
Tuesday

Gabby Giffords kind of stops this line of bullshit cold.

PCB66

(149 posts)
71. The guy attempted to run into a room with loaded weapons
Tue Apr 28, 2026, 05:46 PM
Tuesday

and his manifesto indicated a motive to kill people.

He was only stopped by courageous SS. Otherwise there would have been murders.

He will spend the rest of his life in prison.

It is against the law to attempt to use firearms to commit mass murder and to attempt to assassinate a President, any President. Even one that we disagree with.

He violated the gun laws of DC.

He belongs in prison with all the other nutcases that think they can use violence.

You settle political differences at the ballot box, not with a gun.

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