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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCole Thomas Allen did not shoot anyone
It is also doubtful he even fired the shotgun. No mention of his discharging his weapons, although a shotgun was mentioned Saturday, when it was also claimed Allen had been killed. No mention of discharging his weapons in the affidavit, and even Blanche didn't say he fired a gun. The SS hit had to have been by friendly fire -- as per the Feds, only law enforcement fired anything.
EVERYONE since Saturday night calls him The Shooter, and that he hit an SS agent, because they want that narrative, but it is FALSE.
RockRaven
(19,648 posts)The first reports of details of events like this are often wrong. Even when highly placed law enforcement are the ones talking.
obamanut2012
(29,477 posts)Wicked Blue
(8,973 posts)Keep repeating a falsehood endlessly and some people will start believing it.
magicarpet
(19,099 posts)Manufacturing a false narrative is a common weapon found in the bag of tricks used by Fascists. It immediately creates false aspersions dumped upon your adversaries to dehumanize and to make more of a monster out of them. Ripe for scorn, ridicule, and intense hatred.
Kristi Noem, Gregory Bonvino, and Ka$h Patel do it all the time. Get your foot in the door before anyone else - then you control the narrative and the messaging.
Ethics and justice are conked in the head,... then tossed into and locked up in the trunk. The Fascists then become the designated drivers. trDUMP thinks this shows initiative and comments profusely in support of people of this caliber and ilk, because this is his go to modus operandi too. Fascist think, Fascists say, and Fascists do - as they mimic and proudly duplicate the ways of their hate filled brethren. Stuck in a self perpetuating cycle of achieving hellacious results.
TBF
(37,007 posts)Traildogbob
(13,124 posts)TBF
(37,007 posts)ShazzieB
(22,781 posts)If there is a lie to be lied or a fact to be ignored that would help her bend a narrative to be more to her liking, she will lie, ignore, and/or bend with all her might, every time.

JI7
(93,808 posts)it made it sound like he had actually shot at Trump but it missed.
Only hours later I saw he wasn't even in the room.
obamanut2012
(29,477 posts)I have been in that Hilton for past conferences, and he was far, far away, not even on the same floor.
I've been to that Hilton for conventions, he was stopped on the floor above.
They are charging him with attempted assassination of the President.
He was NOWHERE near Dotard.
This was all staged for 2 reasons:
1. Distract from the TrumpStein files since an award for that reporting was to be given that night. No WAY Dotard was going to be present for that, and;
2. Shill for his stupid ballroom. Now it comes out the Repukes want the taxpayers to fund it! Who could have seen that coming??
November can't come soon enough.......
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Mr.Bee
(1,883 posts)did anyone search trump's pockets for a ketchup packet??
leftstreet
(41,160 posts)This is serious business
Trump could have been
His Cabinet members could have
Thank Gawdz this Juice Box Gen Participation Trophy Shooter didn't harm anyone
sop
(19,064 posts)The complete FBI charging affidavit:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782.1.1_1.pdf
Brief section of the affidavit:

The charging affidavit does not specifically state Allen fired his weapon(s). It states: "As he did so, U.S. Secret Service personnel assigned to the checkpoint heard a loud gunshot. U.S. Secret Service Officer V.G. was shot once in the chest; Officer V.G. was wearing a ballistic vest at the time." The phrase "firearms that ALLEN possessed and/or fired at the Washington Hilton hotel in Washington, D.C. on April 25, 2026" is not very clear. The affidavit is very detailed in all other areas, but it doesn't say Allen shot an officer, or fired at anyone.
W_HAMILTON
(10,406 posts)...if you knew the guy fired his gun.
Either they don't know -- how is that even a possibility at this point? -- or he didn't.
sop
(19,064 posts)you'd think someone at the scene could state, with a degree of certainty, it was Allen who fired his weapon(s), and actually shot someone.
flashman13
(2,516 posts)They just don't want to say. They don't want to admit that, "The SHOOTER", didn't shooted. And they would have to admit they were responsible for all of the mayhem. And they are really poor shots too. They took down one of their own. Real lucky there was no collateral damage.
Honest, I think Trump has this left handed super power. It's like an infection. People that are exposed to him get real stupid. At one time I, and I'm sure many others, would have said the Secret Service was the premier U.S. police force specializing in protection of principals. Now they really look like the Keystone Cops. Trump causes every person and institution around him to rot from the inside.
You would have to have some sort of super power to bankrupt five casinos.
returnee
(959 posts)I give ZERO credence to ANYTHING this administration says.
Diamond_Dog
(40,849 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,377 posts)MerryBlooms
(12,368 posts)Meh, they fired off who knows how many rounds, missed the suspect and shot one of their own. Good grief.
Disaffected
(6,517 posts)(which is sometimes sorely lacking).
BTW, sounds like officer VG was not a very good shot.
markpkessinger
(8,930 posts). . . is that the two firearms that were recovered from Allen were ones that Allen himself had purchased in California. But they haven't established that either of those two weapons were actually fired on the premises!
sop
(19,064 posts)Mind you, I don't want to be accused of posting "conspiracy theories" or "AI slop," but it does raise some questions.
underpants
(196,950 posts)Having a gun in DC is a crime and taken very seriously. The Jan 6thers stored their guns across the river in Va - they werent stupid, they knew what having A gun in DC meant let alone the luggage cart if them that they had.
Wiz Imp
(10,259 posts)lostnfound
(17,590 posts)Cant carry in a place that serves alcohol.
Cant open carry.
Non-residents can transport guns only unloaded and in a locked container
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FHRRK1
(77 posts)So he had a pistol and a shotgun.
it is like the scene from My Cousin Vinnie where Marisa Tomei states:
"Now, in the '60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction... One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark"
Ain't one fucking person in LE that confuse a long gun with a pistol.
Celerity
(54,782 posts)There were 2 features needed:
1. Independent rear suspension.
2. Positraction.
There were 3 US made cars from the early 1960s with both features:
The 1963 Pontiac Tempest, the Chevrolet Corvette, and the Chevrolet Corvair.
The 1964 Buick Skylark mentioned in the film had a standard open differential.
See:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104952/quotes/
snip
Mona Lisa Vito: The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make those marks without positraction, which was not available on the '64 Buick Skylark!
Vinny Gambini: And why not? What is positraction?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
Juror #1: That's right.
Vinny Gambini: Is that it?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, there's more! You see? When the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even? Well, the '64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge. But that didn't happen here. The tire mark stayed flat and even. This car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the '60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, width, weight, wheel base, and wheel track as the '64 Skylark, and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
Vinny Gambini: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?
Mona Lisa Vito: They were!
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Ms. Vito. No more questions. Thank you very, very much.
[kissing her hands]
Vinny Gambini: You've been a lovely, lovely witness.
snip
1964 Buick Skylark
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1963 Pontiac Tempest

dweller
(28,585 posts)Monza

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Celerity
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dweller
(28,585 posts)2 door blue Monza like your 1st pic .
Loved that car , it was a three speed manual .
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LudwigPastorius
(14,909 posts)on there being an empty shell still in his shotgun. Forensics will try to find any buckshot at the scene to bolster that.
obamanut2012
(29,477 posts)I watched the presser.and, read carefully: they dod not state he fired his shotgun.
sop
(19,064 posts)Forgive me for being so conspiratorial...
Prairie Gates
(8,377 posts)They are the norm. The number of people shot by police trying to shoot at somebody else is breathtaking.
Danascot
(5,260 posts)Either Allen shot the SS agent or someone else with a gun (likely LE) shot the agent.
Unless of course it was aliens.
ChazInAz
(3,026 posts)"They both went for the gun!"
Autumn
(48,992 posts)If his goal was to harm anyone he failed.
obamanut2012
(29,477 posts)Autumn
(48,992 posts)Haven't seen it reported on TV yet.
purr-rat beauty
(1,359 posts)Seeing nobody died....release the videos
mzmolly
(52,829 posts)Though, I've only seen a snippet of the video circulating.
obamanut2012
(29,477 posts)With metal detectors. He fell.
mzmolly
(52,829 posts)I didn't see a weapon drawn. Then again, the video is pretty blurry.
I think, given the manifesto, he likely planned to do what he said he was going to do. I also understand that police were made aware (by the family) prior.
I'm sure we'll learn more as time goes on.
RainCaster
(13,820 posts)The DOJ is going to need some additional details if they want my vote...
This is certainly not enough to convict someone of anything other than running in a hotel hallway.
questionseverything
(11,899 posts)Thats pretty clear
Just having them in dc is illegal but I agree theres nothing showing the attempt was made yet
haele
(15,514 posts)But we don't sentence people in jail for life or execute them for thinking about committing a crime. There needs to be a crime actually committed, and charged at the appropriate level.
There's still a lot of things he could be charged on, but not what the Administration is starting to position themselves to charge him with.
I'm not a mentalist or psychic (maybe mental or psycho, but that's something else), but I see jury nullification and/or charges being thrown out in his future.
questionseverything
(11,899 posts)The crossing of state lines to commit a crime is the first crime
BidenRocks
(3,429 posts)There is too much bullshit that I can't even watch the local news. That's cause the suspect lives in LA.
BREAKING NEWS!
Enough with an assassination which never was.
Unless chump is going to build a ballroom in every public school, he can fuck off.
Politicians are not more important than our children!
Historic NY
(40,110 posts)there is not was the shoot would not have scattered, if it was a slugs he'd probably be in the morgue.they would cause blunt force trauma
The Manifesto said he would NOT use slugs. So unless it was very close range there is no way a bullet proof vest is full protection. The agent would have had hits to the arms and face.
Boo1
(428 posts)To be very large. Buckshot at 25 feet only has a few inches of spread.
WarGamer
(18,804 posts)dem4decades
(14,242 posts)malaise
(297,354 posts)A self shooting among security
MustLoveBeagles
(17,044 posts)I've also heard conflicting info over who fired their gun. Was it the suspect or the SS? I'm confused. It's the reason I'm so sceptical of the official account. It seems very fluid.
yellow dahlia
(6,339 posts)While all the agents from various agents were running around in the hallway area, not knowing what they were dealing with, there was an officer who could be heard saying "what the fuck, what the fuck". And then a voice (I think it is the same one) can be heard saying: "WATCH YOUR CROSSFIRE".
I think there was friendly fire.
Orrex
(67,306 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(27,140 posts)(not aimed at you, OP)
obamanut2012
(29,477 posts)I agree.
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chouchou
(3,237 posts)efhmc
(16,888 posts)popsdenver
(2,483 posts)was exactly what I thought when I heard an agent had been shot......Friendly fire..........
efhmc
(16,888 posts)AdamGG
(1,889 posts)Gabby Giffords kind of stops this line of bullshit cold.
PCB66
(149 posts)and his manifesto indicated a motive to kill people.
He was only stopped by courageous SS. Otherwise there would have been murders.
He will spend the rest of his life in prison.
It is against the law to attempt to use firearms to commit mass murder and to attempt to assassinate a President, any President. Even one that we disagree with.
He violated the gun laws of DC.
He belongs in prison with all the other nutcases that think they can use violence.
You settle political differences at the ballot box, not with a gun.