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Coventina

(29,865 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 11:58 AM Thursday

The U.S. Military Was Losing Its Edge. After Iran, Everyone Knows It.

On paper, the war in Iran should not be much of a contest. The United States spends around $1 trillion a year on its military, more than 100 times as much as Iran. That money buys a vastly larger Air Force and Navy, as well as advanced weapons technologies that Iranian generals can only dream about.

In the war’s early days, the mismatch played out as one might expect. American forces destroyed much of the Iranian military. Now, however, the contest looks less one-sided. Iran has taken control of the Strait of Hormuz, and its missiles and drones still threaten America’s allies in the region. While President Trump seems eager for a negotiated truce, Iran’s leaders do not. Somehow, the weaker nation is in the stronger negotiating position.

That reality exposes the vulnerabilities in the American way of war. Tactical success has not yielded victory. Mr. Trump’s recklessness in conducting the war is one reason. But the problem is bigger than any single commander in chief. The United States has left itself unprepared for modern war.

America has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on ships and planes that are good at defeating competitors’ ships and planes but ineffective against cheaper, mass-produced weapons. The American economy does not have the industrial capacity to produce enough of the weapons and equipment it does need. And the country has struggled to fix these problems because of a sclerotic government and a consolidated defense industry that resists change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/30/opinion/iran-us-military-challenges.html

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Today's secret word is: quagmire!

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The U.S. Military Was Losing Its Edge. After Iran, Everyone Knows It. (Original Post) Coventina Thursday OP
We always prepare to fight the previous war. LakeVermilion Thursday #1
And current dipship idiot CIC want's weapons from WWII. Attilatheblond Thursday #2
A battleship is incredibly vulnerable to attack, as are all surface ships. patphil Thursday #5
Where I live is one of the places that trains drone operators which can be unnerving when drones stalk you on a highway Attilatheblond Thursday #9
Right on plus combat doctrine updates and procurement take a geological timeline while tech moves at light speed dutch777 Thursday #6
Yep, computers can make orthoclad Thursday #17
The military is a whole lot more than ships and planes Jilly_in_VA Thursday #3
My counter-argument... Happy Hoosier Thursday #4
It seeems there's a difference between tactical and strategic success. DemocratSinceBirth Thursday #8
Yup, you can win every battle and still lose the war. Happy Hoosier Thursday #11
I read the editorial. DemocratSinceBirth Thursday #12
Only a month ago, Americans were beating our chests Torchlight Thursday #7
The MAGAts cannot accept the truth. Never could. NT Happy Hoosier Thursday #14
Asymmetric warfare is a factor nitpicked Thursday #10
Well, our presence in the M.E. purr-rat beauty Thursday #13
Just like Ukraine exposed Putin's "strength" lame54 Thursday #15
It's not the effectiveness, it's the profits orthoclad Thursday #16
A country can have the best and most expensive military PatSeg Thursday #18

LakeVermilion

(1,621 posts)
1. We always prepare to fight the previous war.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:00 PM
Thursday

Too much money at stake. Everyone protects their position.

Attilatheblond

(9,131 posts)
2. And current dipship idiot CIC want's weapons from WWII.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:05 PM
Thursday

Battleships are big and showy, all image and not rational for today's warfare reality.

It's like how obsessed he is with who he is photographed with, no less than perfect bodies near him. And then there's his passion for TV personalities whether they have half a brain and any knowledge that suits them for cabinet positions.

patphil

(9,175 posts)
5. A battleship is incredibly vulnerable to attack, as are all surface ships.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:27 PM
Thursday

Trump's new battleship will be a slow (30-35 knots) lumbering beast that would represent an easy kill for any sophisticated military like Russia, or China, and even a forward thinking country with a much smaller military.
Aircraft carriers are not much better.
We look good when we're fighting a war against small, relatively primitive military forces, but if Iran's missile program was a little bit further along, that may have been able to launch deadly attacks against any of our surface ships in the region.
It's becoming evident that the world of warfare has transformed over the past decade into something that makes any and all stationary, or slow moving, targets vulnerable. Weapons that cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars can destroy a billion dollar target; overwhelming it's defenses by sending large numbers of drones or missiles at once.
Land targets fare no better.
Russia has learned in Ukraine that using decades old technology against an adversary can be beaten back by these new technologies.
We are now seeing the same thing with Iran.
The question I have is, what good would it be to have a battleship named after Trump? It would still be a loser, just like it's namesake.

Attilatheblond

(9,131 posts)
9. Where I live is one of the places that trains drone operators which can be unnerving when drones stalk you on a highway
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 01:03 PM
Thursday

It is one of the first places that trained Ukrainians on using drones just after Russia invaded. Those people were not only quick learners, they figured out ways to use these weapons the US operators had not yet considered. Impressive people who are NOT going to give into Russia.

Read about Ukrainians training in England too. The British troops who worked with them lined the road off the base when they left to go back to fight in Ukraine in a salute of honor to the students who surpassed their teachers.

Trump is so out of touch he and his stupid ideas are a national security risk. But it works for Putin, so....

Trump is a threat to our military personnel, as are all the people he has had place into positions of authority.

dutch777

(5,094 posts)
6. Right on plus combat doctrine updates and procurement take a geological timeline while tech moves at light speed
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:47 PM
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orthoclad

(4,799 posts)
17. Yep, computers can make
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 02:42 PM
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a billion mistakes per second.

The "speed of tech" is illusory. Million dollar missiles vs motorcycle engine drones.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,533 posts)
3. The military is a whole lot more than ships and planes
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:16 PM
Thursday

Which is something Shitler and Kegsbreath just don't get, nor do some in Congress. The military is its men and women, and Kegsbreath has gotten rid of some of its best top brass just because they wouldn't play kiss-ass with him.

My grandson was going to enlist until Shitler was elected. He had planned to go pretty much the same route as his uncle, A round of active duty, then the National Guard, school of some kind, and then work on heavy equipment. His ASVABS were as high as his uncle's, but he said he wanted to work on tanks "because they bring them to you and you don't have to go out on convoy to retrieve them." Smart lad! But the day after the election everything changed. Now he works construction during the summer and in restaurants during the winter. He refuses to go into the military as long as there is a RepubliKKKan president. Which is too bad for them, because he'd make a good soldier.

My other-son (my late son's best friend), who is a career NCO, can't wait to get out. He's been an Army DI for the past 15 years after having been an MP previously and says he's just over it now with Kegsbreath and counting the days. He says the quality of recruits he gets these days has gone way down since Shitler was elected and he knows why.

End of story.

Happy Hoosier

(9,585 posts)
4. My counter-argument...
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:21 PM
Thursday

Capability is useless without effective operational and strategic planning.

Trump and Kegsbreath are morons. And they've elevated military leaders who are "yes men." No one will tell Kegsbreath and Trump that their plan sucks. Our troops were not properly prepared for this. They were not properly supported. We no longer have principled professionals running our military. Like Russia, we now select military leadership based on political loyaty instead of competence. We should expect Russia-like results.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,975 posts)
8. It seeems there's a difference between tactical and strategic success.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 01:03 PM
Thursday

I don't remember the details but it was about a U.S. colonel and his Vietnamese counterpart who met after the war. The American colonel told his counterpart we won every battle to which his counterpart answered but we won the war. If this ends with Iran controling the Strait and with it the ability to cow the world it will be seen as the greatest strategic blunder in the history of the republic.

Happy Hoosier

(9,585 posts)
11. Yup, you can win every battle and still lose the war.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 01:07 PM
Thursday

But in this case, there are quite a few examples of tactical buffoonery too. The fact that a 60's era fighter was able to actually attack one of our bases? Nuts. Losing a E-3 ON THE GROUND!? Insane.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,975 posts)
12. I read the editorial.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 01:13 PM
Thursday

If we need to build more drones or anti-drones we can. The problem is leadership and matching tactical goals to strategic goals. Henry Kissinger said the weaker party wins by not losing and the stronger party loses by not winning.

Torchlight

(6,987 posts)
7. Only a month ago, Americans were beating our chests
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 12:59 PM
Thursday

to the tune of “We Are the Champions,” treating even minor disagreement as seditious propaganda and declaring we were entering the post-invasion mop-up phase of our total victory.

Now I’m paying 57% more for gasoline since those baseless claims were made so recklessly. Someone’s definitely mopping up... but it certainly isn't us.

nitpicked

(1,936 posts)
10. Asymmetric warfare is a factor
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 01:06 PM
Thursday

Just as in the little dispute 2.5 centuries ago, for one example.

purr-rat beauty

(1,367 posts)
13. Well, our presence in the M.E.
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 01:15 PM
Thursday

Will be quite diminished from this recent quagmire....I mean excursion

The Golden Dome is just another facet of the incoming new identity of isolationism seeing our diplomatic and military influence is deteriorating at a swift pace

orthoclad

(4,799 posts)
16. It's not the effectiveness, it's the profits
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 02:39 PM
Thursday

The US spends more on military than the next ten countries combined - Russia, China, UK, etc - with poorer outcome. Like health care. It's all about corporate hands in our pockets.

PatSeg

(53,361 posts)
18. A country can have the best and most expensive military
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 02:53 PM
Thursday

in the world, but if the leaders don't know how or when to use it, it doesn't mean all that much. Like throwing money and innocent lives out the window.

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