Notice the source said it was a more powerful version of what Cambridge Analytical did. That is used social media to persuade people to vote for Trump. That's not vote rigging or changing votes. To jump her statement to rigging votes is fundamentally dishonest.

Her other statements about Musk saying he knew early Trump would win, exit polls and having good estimates on what turnout you predict you need are things. Also Musk regularly lies to boost himself. It's not out of the question he was just bullshitting to make himself seem more important.

There's nothing here to support their breathless conclusions and given their consistent lies, no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

that the election was NOT rigged.

Evidence that it wasn't rigged

Post election audits.
Election results in line with polls.
We won a bunch of down ticket races including in states Harris lost.
The conspiracy would require Democrats in the election process to be incompetent or corrupt.
The Harris campaign and the Biden administration didn't complain.
The people claiming it was rigged have presented lies and overstatements.

Evidence it was rigged
None that has stood up to scrutiny.

Sure in theory all the evidence could be wrong, but in theory there could be Martians living under the surface but nothing supports that.

That's not how this works. Might as well asked them to prove Santa doesn't in fact exist. How this is supposed to work is you make the claim, YOU back it up with evidence.

So far the evidence is very, very thin amounting to merely claims without evidence. Given the complexity, variability, and size of the US election system, a rational view is more than likely it wasn't tampered with directly. With the power of social media, you really don't have to.

But we have to face the fact that 33% of the electorate opposed fascism, 34% supported fascism, and 33% didn't vote, so they chose fascism by default.

Using social media to sway people is disinformation/propaganda, not vote "rigging". "Rigging" an election is very hard and very illegal when you get caught. Voter SUPPRESSION and LYING is VERY effective and entirely LEGAL.

Anything could be deemed "rigging" if that's useful, but it is by definition not. What they should be saying is "influenced". Which no doubt he did. That's what campains are for, to influence voting. These are however shady forms of influence being orchestrated corruptly in many cases. While not correctly identified as rigging, they should be addressed and some sort of accountablity or regulation put in place. But for them, the more they throw around the idea that elections are rigged, no matter the context, it works to their advantage.

They did a lot more than "persuading people to vote for Trump."

Just really effective psychology at getting people to change their mind.

Please point me to anything that says they changrd cast votes or stuffed the ballot. Otherwise, there's really nothing there but a semantic argument.

There's a lot more to it than that, including accessing, without consent, the personal data, contact information and posting history of just about every American who uses Facebook. Then giving that information to military-trained psy-op teams with the express purpose of fucking with the posters' heads and radicalizing them.

People need to sharpen up & not be so easily influenced. They need to be their own influencer.

or knowledge and then psychologically manipulated by people who have military training in psychological manipulation.

but I have a hard time believing I could be swayed to vote for anyone with the morals of Trump or the Republican party in general. Maybe these people don't have very strong convictions? I still hold people need to sharpen up.

would likely not allow us the same access. There was a dedicated office for Facebook personnel in Trump Tower in NYC in 2016 so there would be people on site to help them do this thing. That tells us what side Zuckerberg was on.

There are many ways for us to use social media, but I don't think this one is available to us. And even I, who am all for us matching them bot farm for bot farm, would not want us to do this bit of skulduggery even if we could.

Watch the three videos I posted above. It is a bit of a time investment, but there is an amazing amount of good information in them. Especially the first, which is one of the guys who actually worked on the project.

Otherwise it's just influence as most everyone else understands.

The breathless nonsense from the substack is that this proves Musk fixed the vote. There's nothing in what they provided that even approaches that.

This needs to be investigated. Also corresponds to the Starlink.

That he already had all the votes he needed....a MONTH before the election? His saying that elon musk knew how to program the computers in Pennsylvania to insure trump won there? All those were just bluffing?

And the fact that Elon and his boys stole everyone's data from the IRS and Social Security? The Medicare office sent me a letter that Medicare had been compromised and I needed a new Medicare number and they sent me a new card.

I am so sick and tired of people buying the commercial line that the elections are safe. Until there is massive control over all election machines and the central tabulators, and their internet connections are backed up with hand counts, where every single precinct is securely audited, and where machines are locked down with properly investigated software without anyone being able to get back in, and until we are truly screwed with our heads in the sand.

There are trillions of dollars at stake! Do you really think nobody is going to try to mess with that? How can our country be so obtuse as to think there aren't bad actors after what we've seen since 2016?

On a practical level, with all votes controlled by thousands of individual counties, it's essentially impossible to really rig an election across the country. You might be able to change votes in a few key places to swing a super close election but it's not really feasible to make a large swing like happened in 2024 towards tRUMP.

Absolutely people will try and have tried to mess with our elections. But manipulating a massive presidential election is not possible the way things are set up now.

What Went Wrong In Ohio: The Conyers... book by Gore Vidal https://share.google/I9kHmybROrT2wMCDk

I thought the evidence was pretty good and there was so much fishiness around the whole case. If only people cared...

their votes won't matter

Of course we still had the white hats protecting us, who can forget rove’s on air meltdown when his “surge “ didn’t appear!

These low info voters are an easy target and we're seeing significant fracturing of the "MAGA" movement. They don't need to vote Democratic if they don't vote at all, it's a win.

(and I do believe they did SOMETHING illegal, if only because Cankles always spills the beans and he made that statement that we don't even need to vote. Changing votes? Maybe no, maybe yes. The bottom line is that I wouldn't put it past them.)

But whether we believe it or not, it is useful for us if the ones turning away from MAGA right now believe it. It gives them something to use as an excuse for their having been hoodwinked. And that's an important psychological part of what our strategy should be. Give them a psychological out. And to those who say, "No way!" I say, "Would you rather they admit you were right, or would you rather we get their votes and hold on to our Democracy?" We can deal with reprisals AFTER the election.

Don't get distracted with stuff you can do nothing about without control of the House or Senate.

Focus on the task at hand.

Thought would protect the country

Unfortunately we have let corporations ( owned by 1%ers) take over our vote counting process and as you can see from this thread even questioning those corporations brings out the “swarm “

I'm cataloguing it for future use, if I may.

How DARE they?

I do not know who kiboshed the idea of paper ballot recounts, as many of us were pushing for. I have speculated it was the "consultant class" - but that is merely the likely suspects...not direct knowledge.

Did Harris listen to the strategists? I don't know. But the strategists have been known to tout the absurd idea that questioning the results of the election makes one look like a "crazy" election denier - an argument without merit.

I have seen that assertion made so many times. No - there is no direct link between questioning the election results and accusing Biden and Harris of malevolence or ineptitude. Putting thoughts in the minds of posters? I think they call that a straw man argument.

Either all of the fail-safes didn't work and so the people involved in them at the state and local levels as well as the Harris campaign weren't paying attention or at least some of those people were in on it. Is there another alternative? If you think that Musk is some sort of super genius who fooled everyone (he's not), then how is that not a failure on our side to be prepared? If the election was stolen and they knew, not screaming it from the rooftops would at best be cooperating whether that's because they were threatened or bribed.

What's the alternative? Not liking the logical but unstated conclusions from the theory doesn't mean they aren't logical conclusions.

We had an expression back in the day - fuzzy logic.

Doesn't inspire much confidence that you can. Not liking the logic doesn't make it fuzzy. It's a simple question and all you did was duck it.

I am not obligated to engage with you any further.

You haven't presented an alternative theory. Just a refusal to acknowledge what the conspiracy theory would require to be true.

that anyone who posts online that there is no election fraud is working for either the RNC or Putin. I however would never accuse anyone of that, because it's possible that there are other reasons that I can't fathom.

The problem with your faulty attempt to turn it back on me is this. There's no evidence to support the underlying premise.

On the other hand I can provide alternative theories for my position that there is no election rigging and so there are other reasons to be derisive towards the claim you made.

1 the votes matched state audits
2 the vote was close to pre election polls
3 there are additional safeguards
4 all of the claimed evidence of fraud doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

So I can say based on logic that I'm opposed to the inane conspiracy theory because I am correct and backed by evidence.

So again, simple question. What is logical alternative theory based on evidence that concludes that there was theft of the election and the Democrats involved in the election process weren't either in on it, or not doing their job?

No one can really prove what Musk has done, unless it's through discovery in a federal court or ... Unless the NSA has access to his Starlink and low orbit satellite system codes.

We DU'ers knew Musk was dangerous in 2024. When Biden invited his Facebook followers to text him (and gave his number), I wrote him this on Nov 9 ... Just thought I'd put this out there because at the time, the "tabulator issue" in battleground states was being kicked around on DU.

Thanks for posting this, I never would have seen it otherwise.

We ALL suspected as much, but she spells it out for us. I wonder if "something" will happen to her?

I'd prefer we be the sober adults in the room and not try to comfort ourselves with obvious lies.

She never confirmed "He Rigged the 2024 Election Using Technology". They even admit that in their text:

Of course, by accurate, I mean completely made up.

This was never a secret really.

a difference between plausible conspiracy theories (when evidence is hidden but still searched for) and impossible conspiracy theories (that no amount of science or investigative skills can support).

Conspiracy theories like Jewish space lazer beams haven't turned up anything because there's been nothing to turn up.
Conspiracy theories like Starlink's likely having uploaded and downloaded data, including code, can indeed be investigated.

undermines the nature of investigation and truth seeking.

There is no difference between jewish space lasers and Elon uploading code into starlink.

They are both based on nothing and nonsense.

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Not so with effort made on a belief in the impossible, which melt away much sooner than the former kind.

Hope vs. Cope.

I would much rather that if our Democracy and our country were being destroyed, that it was at least being done by someone who was legitimately elected.

Feel good? The truth is often painful...but I (for one) seek it anyway.

Everything we've seen from this substack has been disproven. These claims vastly over state what St Clair actually said to the point of being dishonest. Given the history of the substance being dishonest, why should this be given any benefit of the doubt?

You make fair points. And yet the high credibility lies in Musk's Starlink's upload/download history of data and code. Which, for plausible deniability's sake, Muxk wouldn't breathe a word about even to Trump, nevermind an ex.

See post #47

also:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/11/13/fact-check-was-elon-musks-starlink-used-to-rig-the-us-election

https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/18/conspiracy-theory-starlink-election-results/

https://abc30.com/post/starlink-system-is-not-connected-voting-machines-tulare-county-elections-office-says/15541598/

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-starlink-election-fraud-claims-blue-anon/

This was all very much within the skill set of the Starlink and Palantir people. And it would not have taken many people. A team much smaller than the DOGE kiddies would have been plenty, if they were the right ones.

and those patches were U.P.S. so those patches allowed communications about the data
and manipulation of that data in those tabulators via cell phones thanx to Star Link’s DTC
technology and Musk’s low earth satellites all the time Palantir’s digital janitor was keeping things
“all cleaned up.” Musk has already admitted to being in the data with his special app that let
him see the results 4 hours early.

... an Internet Service Provider. It routes messages from one place to another. It can't do anything more than you, yourself, can do from the comfort of your own home, using any ISP out there. If investigating Starlink and Musk is justified, then investigating Verizon, Xfinity, et al, and anyone who has an internet connection is also justified.

Voting machines and tabulators are air gapped; they are not connected to the internet. Data transfers, including machine code, require physical access to the machine and can't be done via satellite - neither Musk's nor Italy's.

.... how does the ability to make a cell phone call through a satellite give musk the ability to change or access an air gapped vote tabulator? And if it did, why wouldn't anyone with a cell phone be able to do the same. Using a regular cell tower, no satellite needed.

Why do we waste our time and energy on this blueAnon BS?

Or Uncle Sam lies America into illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars for profit.

Or Epstein being protected from the law since way before Iran-Contra.

And yet, here some are amazed at what criminals in government service did and do.

These MFers are evil. Trump is a dumb ass, but Musk isn't, and he can put together -- and reward handsomely -- teams to do these kinds of things.

These same people don't seem to have trouble understanding that Erik Prince and his Blackwater MFers were for real, and still ARE F-ing with the rest of the world on the US taxpayer's dime. But that's because guns are easier to understand than computer systems and invisible networks.

The level of denial here really is shameful, considering that there wasn't a single recount, not a single effort of any sort by the DNC to follow these claims. Our friends here are, unbelievably, willing to not even look into the possibility that Musk and Trump actually did what they said they were going to do to the 2024 election. Yet they will come here every day and debate polls and messaging. NONE OF THAT MATTERS if there is a person who can do what St. Clair described.

and for it to slide by without scrutiny. (At the risk of repeating myself.)

And people need to be alert - they will do it for the midterms as well.

If the theft-deniers refuse to recognize what may happen, they make it easier for it to happen and for it to slide by without scrutiny.

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on such, when we should be using the time building our voter base to hatch and execute our winning plans is the most pathetic of all.

should have. Not that he tampered with the vote..

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Operating Systems of Dominion Voting Systems and E.S.&S. Voting Systems. The story is that firmware patches were placed onto those systems and his DTC Starlink low earth orbit satellites allowed for that.
I personally think that it went well beyond just looking @ the voting results but just by looking @ that
vote early was a clear violation of the law. The returns from voting are put out by the Sec. of State’s
office not by some billionaire dirt bag.

Google DTC Starlink.

has examined why 2024 was a year of many internet shutdowns.

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If the theft-deniers refuse to recognize what may happen, they make it easier for it to happen and for it to slide by without scrutiny. (I've taken to repeating myself.)

January 2024 — Musk begins fast-tracking the launch of the new low-earth-orbit DTC constellation, a project that experts said should have taken 2+ years to build.
February 2024 — Musk files paperwork for his America PAC. (So his support had nothing to do with the “assassination” attempt as claimed.)
May 2024 — Peter Thiel funds Polymarket.
May 2024 — Eaton Corporation, with access to roughly 70% of U.S. election equipment infrastructure, announces a deepening relationship with Thiel’s Palantir.
July 2024 — Musk launches America PAC, a voter-information harvesting and Trump fundraising operation, using Republican Chain Bridge as its financial institution.
September 2024 — Eaton, with access to roughly 70% of U.S. election equipment infrastructure, partners with Elon Musk and Tesla.
October 4, 2024 — Republican bank Chain Bridge launches its IPO.
October 5, 2024 — According to The New York Times, Elon Musk texts a friend, who we now believe to be St. Clair:
“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.” An hour later, he adds: “This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”

October 7, 2024 - Musk laughingly tells Tucker Carlson in an interview: “If Trump loses I’m fu*cked. How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
October 30, 2024 - the DTC satellites launch, activating the constellation of 265 units, less than a week before Election Day.
October 30, 2024 — Republican Chain Bridge Bank shares surge to more than three times average trading volume.
October 30, 2024 - Peter Thiel’s Polymarket predicts the exact outcome of the presidential election.

Trump, I don’t need anymore votes. He said that 3 times on the campaign trail.
Musk, I have a special app that lets me see the results early.

... checked out with a simple search.

Six. Six is the number of the beast. The word beast has 5 letter. 5 Letters, like 5 fingers. Where do you find fingers? On a hand. When you take 5 fingers and 1 hand what do you get 5+1 = 6. So 6. 5 fingers + 1 hand is 6. 6 x 6 is 36, which is 6 groups of 6. When you add 3 + 6 you get 9, which is an upside down 6.

A list of random facts don't prove a conspiracy.

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Now you can argue that water is not wet, snow is not cold, and that it doesn’t get dark @ night but
@ the end of the day water is wet, snow is cold, and it does get dark get dark @ night. Musk
has publicly admitting to cheating when he said that he had his own app that let him see the results
early. He admitted to being inside the guts of “the vote” and that data is supposed to only be released
by the Sec. of State after the close of voting.

The Starlink network does not use lasers to communicate with the earth. It uses radio waves, like almost all commercial satellites. Starlink ground stations then send the signal to conventional internet servers to be distributed around the globe.

If somebody were to try to fuck voting machines (most, by law, are never connected to the internet), there would be no reason to originate the attack from satellites because it's just an extra unnecessary step.

I'm sure Elon Musk's mention of "space lasers" to this influencer person wasn't him trolling her. It's not like he has a lengthy public record of lying to people.

cell towers, not the Internet. So whether the tabulator are or are not connected to the Internet, Starlink can still access them. There's no other material reason why Trump and Musk said they knew the outcome early. None.

… on them. For Musk to admit that he had a “special app” that let him see the vote early
he was admitting to hacking into the guts of our voting operations. The voting returns
are never supposed to be made public until after the close of voting is over and that data is
released by the Secretary of State. Usually the first release of the returns are from mail in and
absentee ballots

The firmware patches and Musk’s DTC Starlink allowed not only the viewing of the voting data
early but manipulation of that data and Peter Thiel/palantir’s digital janitor helped to hide the
deletion and the flipping of votes. The vote was also tampered with via the Post Office, voter
caging operations, and the tossing of mail in votes because of problems with signature matches
in mail in ballots. Which is bullshit because mail in ballots have a bat code on them that matches
up to voter’s registration @ the county BOE.

Vote counting computers are called the central tabulators and Musk had no right to have anything
to do with them. Musk was into the data.

Or do you also believe he won the 2020 election and Obama isn't a natural born citizen?

Or just when it's convenient to a baseless conspiracy theory?

You keep promoting this absolute fraud of a substack even though they keep lying to you and people keep pointing that out. What independent verified evidence supports the claim? Likewise do you only believe Trump is telling the truth when it's convenient? Trump says lots of things that aren't true. What makes this one special?

Dodging the question with what you think is a cute retort isn't actually doing anything to support your case.

Just call it disproven or C.T. or why are you saying bad things about Harris or Biden or Democratic
Sec. of States, or this just made up by sore losers or … the bottom line was and still is that Musk,
Thiel, Palantir, Musk’s computer hackers, Eaton, or the crypto Boyz, or the super rich both domestically
and internationally were into the voting data. Musk has admitted to cheating when he said that his
“special apps” let him look @ the results early. To many of them data manipulation and hiding of
those manipulations is child’s play to them.

but on THIS you believe him?

on the scale needed

of spreading CTs when I provided this exact same information a year ago.

A conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

A theory? No, not so much. This needs to come out fully or else we can never have real Presidential elections again.

To recap, Musk, Palantir, and ESS conspired to rig the 2024 election by introducing remote control over a relatively small set of tabulator machines at the precinct levels of swing states. This conspiracy has its roots in the takeover of ESS by Republican partisans decades ago, followed by decades of work at the state and county levels to get ESS implanted as the de facto US election system, representing over 70% of election systems nationwide and the majority supplier in 100% of the swing states.

The nature of the attack was to remotely control the tabulators that exist in every polling place that uses ESS. Musk identified the tabulators as the weak link because they were believed to be completely isolated from the outside world, and were not actually the "official" vote. The ESS systems uses paper ballots that can be recounted, so the tabulators were seen simply as a faster way to get results to the county HQ, and if there were controversies, the paper ballots could be recounted.

So the Musk plan was to use Starlink to establish remote control over the minimum set of tabulators required to flip the election. By August 2024, Musk had demonstrated the ability to take remote control over the tabulators, and it was at that point that Musk and Trump both started talking openly about "nobody knows more about the election counting computers than Elon Musk".

The exact level of ESS participation in this particular rigging operation is not clear. There is an implication that they were not tightly involved because the Trump people had multiple teams in the field commandeering tabulator machines ostensibly to reverse engineer them. This is the whole story of the Tina Peters case. ESS could have provided those details directly, and evidently did not.

What remained was a mathematical/statistical problem to determine which tabulators needed to be taken over (for purposes of active vote flipping, plus many others needed to be monitored on election day without actually flipping votes). The game was to dynamically determine (through reports of early voting and by monitoring the tabulation in real time) how many votes to flip. They needed to flip enough to get past any recount thresholds. That is where Palantir came in, as well as the above reference to Cambridge Analytica. This analysis was a lot more complicated, but that is what Palantir does. That is their core competency.

It all went as planned. On election day, Musk had an app on his phone that showed him how the vote flipping was going, so much that by 4PM, he proudly declared to friends that the election had already been won.

They hit their numbers, and not a single recount happened. Had anybody recounted, simply running the paper ballots through a tabulator known not to be compromised, election officials would immediately have seen that the reported results were all wrong -- that is to say, the down ballot numbers were not tampered with, only the Trump-Harris vote -- and there were radical disparities between Trump-Harris versus the down-ballot in a specific set of election sites, and those patterns were seen nowhere else. But none of these recounts happened and in all likelihood, the paper ballots have been destroyed by now,

The major elements of this scheme have been known for a long time and it is maddening that Democrats don't seem to even care, or perhaps they don't have the technical depth to put the pieces together.

So indeed, let's see the Dem post-mortem as Pelosi and Harris are calling for. Let's see if the DNC is totally oblivious or simply chose to ignore all of this.

If they executed the scheme I described above, also described by Ms. St. Clair today, do you think either Musk or Trump would be bothered by the destruction of the ballots. Any reasonable person should assume they have been lost, damaged, soaked in a flood, accidentally used as toilet paper or otherwise taken care of long ago.

And BTW, the election was 18 months ago. In 4 more months they can be destroyed legally. Is anybody going to do anything to try to preserve that evidence?

without ending up in dog shit?

He has managed to make himself the richest person in the world, at least on paper.

And Trump has managed to accumulate several billion dollars in the past 14 months, mainly by completely disregarding laws.

Frankly I have very little patience for anybody arguing that our system of laws will prevail.

Election ,

If that’s available to people in the area in question, they should do that but I was really surprised it’s not allowed that way everywhere…. Makes me wonder what they are hiding