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choie

(7,038 posts)
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:20 PM Saturday

A grammatical observation and question

I've noticed - especially since GW Bush - people no longer call things by their full name. For example calling nuclear power or arms just "nuclear" as in "Iran won't accept an agreement that includes nuclear." Other examples: calling a domestic violence incident "a domestic". or saying "I have bipolar" instead of bipolar disorder. What gives?

And before anybody says it, I know I'm being a stickler and intolerant.

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A grammatical observation and question (Original Post) choie Saturday OP
Twitter brain... SheltieLover Saturday #1
Hmm I remember Bush always said just "nuclear" choie Saturday #3
120 char communications destroy neural networks SheltieLover Saturday #5
Curiously, Jimmy Carter, a U.S. Navy nuclear engineer pronounced it the same way Brother Buzz Saturday #6
Another one The Blue Flower Saturday #2
YES!!! choie Saturday #4
And "Oval" instead of "Oval Office." wnylib Saturday #15
Cyber works really well as a noun LearnedHand Saturday #20
As in "Baron knows the cyber" Disaffected Sunday #22
People no longer canetoad Saturday #7
Lord, that's right! choie Saturday #8
Oh yeah. Drives me mad. No one donates. Gave and given are vanishing Easterncedar Saturday #14
Gifting or gifting grinds my gears nt róisín_dubh Sunday #25
Mine too canetoad Sunday #27
Like you said, it's grammar. I've had some experiance in the South and noticed a long time ago that folks shortened..... FadedMullet Saturday #9
Yep, that's one! Easterncedar Saturday #13
Very common in Appalachia róisín_dubh Sunday #26
Kinda drove me a little crazy too. FadedMullet Monday #41
Agree With You :: I Do (!) wyn borkins Saturday #10
Thanks wyn! choie Saturday #11
Yes, it seems to be an accelerating trend Easterncedar Saturday #12
You want to go with? radical noodle Saturday #16
I noticed that while watching the Darral Brooks trial. I thought it was a Wisconsin LoisB Saturday #18
It's also an Illinois thing. 3catwoman3 Sunday #31
I think it's started in the last few years and not just in Wisconsin radical noodle Sunday #36
This isn't new. It's a function of how English is spoken by people in areas where there were a lot of settlers who spoke WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #35
Really? radical noodle Sunday #37
Language spreads. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #40
Interesting. LoisB Sunday #39
I agree. You are not being intolerant. It seems as if everything is shorthand LoisB Saturday #17
Language is very fluid and fast moving LearnedHand Saturday #19
This! Sometimes I love playing with language and B.See Sunday #30
Oh dear - language changes. How painful. nt GenThePerservering Saturday #21
And ya, like I mean, your know, Disaffected Sunday #23
One reason I enjoy listening to BBC World Service and Al Jazeera Disaffected Sunday #24
I've noticed that, too. calimary Sunday #28
I've actually come to enjoy many of the shortenings mentioned here EverHopeful Sunday #29
Yes, absolutely. Susan Collins, the "concern troll". Never accused of overreacting. FadedMullet Monday #43
I detest impactful. Clunky and awkward. 3catwoman3 Sunday #32
"Impactful" is not very graceful but "influential" is definitely not a substitute LearnedHand Sunday #38
Leaving important words out leads sdfernando Sunday #33
The worst, to me, is calling a conspiracy theory a conspiracy. That's become all too common. n/t Mister Ed Sunday #34
Recommended. H2O Man Monday #42

choie

(7,038 posts)
3. Hmm I remember Bush always said just "nuclear"
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:25 PM
Saturday

Well, he actually said "nucular" But I get what your saying!

LearnedHand

(5,627 posts)
20. Cyber works really well as a noun
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:46 PM
Saturday

When you have departments named “Cybersecurity” its really easy to shorten it to cyber and use it as a noun. It’s also useful and efficient.

canetoad

(21,077 posts)
7. People no longer
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:44 PM
Saturday

Give presents, they GIFT items. And there's no more criticising - it's up-market CRITIQUES these days.

Easterncedar

(6,503 posts)
14. Oh yeah. Drives me mad. No one donates. Gave and given are vanishing
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:19 PM
Saturday

Is it that irregular verbs confuse people?

I have come to accept that people can't keep affect and effect straight, so no one is affected, we are impacted instead, which always sounds quite uncomfortable to me.

We have forever lost the distinction between jealous and envious, and, heaven help us, the difference between disinterested and uninterested, which seems like a sad loss of a valuable concept. As they say, you better hope you get a disinterested judge in your trial, not an uninterested one.

FadedMullet

(1,028 posts)
9. Like you said, it's grammar. I've had some experiance in the South and noticed a long time ago that folks shortened.....
Sat May 23, 2026, 10:09 PM
Saturday

.......phrases by saying things like "The lawn needs mowed" instead of "The lawn needs to be mowed".

wyn borkins

(1,390 posts)
10. Agree With You :: I Do (!)
Sat May 23, 2026, 10:18 PM
Saturday

Also, you "might" be a stickler (?)

But you are definitely not intolerant (!)

Easterncedar

(6,503 posts)
12. Yes, it seems to be an accelerating trend
Sat May 23, 2026, 10:36 PM
Saturday

Like "give me the deets" (details). "No prob." Sometimes I get annoyed, but then I recall how long we have called temporary workers temps (even coining the verb temping), automobiles autos then cars, telephones phones, televisions teevees, doctors docs and so on. Is it laziness or efficiency?

Maybe we should have a thread asking for folks' least favorite examples of linguistic shorthand

LoisB

(13,555 posts)
18. I noticed that while watching the Darral Brooks trial. I thought it was a Wisconsin
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:29 PM
Saturday

"thing".

3catwoman3

(29,858 posts)
31. It's also an Illinois thing.
Sun May 24, 2026, 04:26 AM
Sunday

I grew up in the western end of New York State and never heard this until moving to Illinois in 1994. “Go with” and “come with.”

Drives me batty.

radical noodle

(10,696 posts)
36. I think it's started in the last few years and not just in Wisconsin
Sun May 24, 2026, 10:27 AM
Sunday

I never heard that anywhere until a few years ago and now I hear/see it often.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,245 posts)
35. This isn't new. It's a function of how English is spoken by people in areas where there were a lot of settlers who spoke
Sun May 24, 2026, 08:32 AM
Sunday

German or some Scandinavian languages.

LoisB

(13,555 posts)
17. I agree. You are not being intolerant. It seems as if everything is shorthand
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:27 PM
Saturday

these days.

LearnedHand

(5,627 posts)
19. Language is very fluid and fast moving
Sat May 23, 2026, 11:39 PM
Saturday

I love how frequently language pokes us in the eye by not being rigid. Maybe a different way to look at this is to celebrate the creativity of ever changing language.

B.See

(8,908 posts)
30. This! Sometimes I love playing with language and
Sun May 24, 2026, 04:10 AM
Sunday

sentence structure, whether that's unusual punctuation, a turn of expression, tossing in a coloquialism, regionalism, street lingo, expletives (when p.oed), alliteration or alternate spellings.

Just to ping the noggin, mix things up a bit, or for a dash of whimsy -

but mostly because I can.

Disaffected

(6,597 posts)
24. One reason I enjoy listening to BBC World Service and Al Jazeera
Sun May 24, 2026, 01:40 AM
Sunday

is that they still speak English there.

calimary

(90,966 posts)
28. I've noticed that, too.
Sun May 24, 2026, 02:08 AM
Sunday

We listen to BBC World Service in the car quite frequently. Just seems like the smart thing to do, these days.

EverHopeful

(709 posts)
29. I've actually come to enjoy many of the shortenings mentioned here
Sun May 24, 2026, 02:22 AM
Sunday

Not sure why.

One usage that still irks me though, is what feels like an overuse of "concerning." Often things that should be described as horrifying, or at least worrying or troubling, are called "concerning." Always makes me think of Susan Collins.

3catwoman3

(29,858 posts)
32. I detest impactful. Clunky and awkward.
Sun May 24, 2026, 04:34 AM
Sunday

In my career field, health care be/nursing, to be impacted means to be severely constipated. In other words, truly FOS - full of shit.

What’s wrong with influential? It sounds much more sophisticated and elegant.

LearnedHand

(5,627 posts)
38. "Impactful" is not very graceful but "influential" is definitely not a substitute
Sun May 24, 2026, 10:33 AM
Sunday

“Impactful” carries the connotation of measurable affects, which is probably why it’s used more in a business environment. Although influence can also be measured under controlled circumstances, “influential” does not carry that same meaning.

sdfernando

(6,118 posts)
33. Leaving important words out leads
Sun May 24, 2026, 05:24 AM
Sunday

to confusion and misunderstanding. The poster/writer is making tbe reader assume something.....you know what happens we we asume.

Mister Ed

(6,998 posts)
34. The worst, to me, is calling a conspiracy theory a conspiracy. That's become all too common. n/t
Sun May 24, 2026, 05:28 AM
Sunday

H2O Man

(79,293 posts)
42. Recommended.
Mon May 25, 2026, 04:39 AM
Monday

I have enjoyed reading the OP/thread. It is raining in rural upstate New York. Being very old, and having suffered numerous painful injuries over decades, I have arthritis from my ankles to my neck, or from neck to ankle, if that is more proper. Thus, my repeated attempts to sleep continue to fail. Hence, upon the advice of my medical doctor, I have sought relief by smoking part of a bowl of hashish.

I should note that just before coming to read DU:GD, and selecting your post to read as a result of previous satisfaction in reading and always enjoying reading your comments, I initially had read a couple posts on an internet boxing forum. Since the full impact of the three hits, or inhaling the smoke of burning hashish, had not taken place, when it comes to boxing forums, I am a severe stickler and intolerant of ignorance.

It is my favorite chair for well over sixty years, or six decades, if anyone is keeping track. I spent many nights sitting in this chair after I participated in boxing matches. Although I didn't get hit in my large and rock-like head, I did take punches from shoulders to waist. As I sit here rocking, I think it is possible, perhaps likely, that the sum-total of 329 bouts and countless rounds of sparring have come back to haunt me this morning as I type this at 4:29 am/est. Thus, ignorance expressed as opinion on internet boxing forums annoyed me more ten minutes ago than I could otherwise justify.

A person wrote that Muhammad Ali "is considered a relatively light puncher." Is anyone that stupid? Really? Or was it more likely someone with an agenda of annoying grumpy old men who are up at this hour? Perhaps we will never know. Numerous people corrected him, yet he made a pathetic attempt at insisting he was right. I shall now ponder this, and hopefully, somewhere in the fog of its meaninglessness, fall asleep before the sun comes up.

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