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CousinIT

(12,858 posts)
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:27 PM May 25

"The American experiment is over..."

I'm not saying to give up or stop fighting. That's IMO not an option. But this is where we are ar at the moment.

Sadly, every word is true. The American experiment is over. Killed in the middle of Fifth Avenue and no one in power blinked an eye to stop it.

Mark T. Sneed (@marktsneed.bsky.social) 2026-05-25T07:50:43.169Z
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"The American experiment is over..." (Original Post) CousinIT May 25 OP
I said the same thing to a friend this morning. Irish_Dem May 25 #1
that bluesky post is illiterate defeatist bullshit Blues Heron May 25 #2
No it's not. It's the bucket of cold water thrown in the faces FoxNewsSucks May 25 #8
it's still defeatist, especially the idea that Dems are impotent and that we can't win the midterms LymphocyteLover May 25 #14
It's not just the media portraying them as such, FoxNewsSucks May 25 #20
I'm not saying Dems couldn't do more against this administration and suspend some of those norms, however they have LymphocyteLover May 26 #27
Pretty god damned impotent ABC123Easy May 26 #31
Trump was INDICTED MULTIPLE TIMES by Garland's DOJ. It was the fucking Supreme Court who fucked over those cases. LymphocyteLover May 26 #32
Not BS ABC123Easy May 26 #33
You don't know what exactly he did. Anyway, if SCOTUS has interfered and massively delayed the cases, Dump would have LymphocyteLover May 26 #34
Thats a giant load of wishy washy BS ABC123Easy May 26 #35
I disagree that he did nothing. I agree he could've acted more urgently but he did pursue the cases and the LymphocyteLover May 27 #38
I disagree. ABC123Easy May 27 #39
you seriously think SCOTUS would've just left the case alone and not interfered if Garland rushed the prosecutions? LymphocyteLover May 27 #41
Again ABC123Easy May 27 #42
"You've never actually responded to the fact that Garland is to blame for this." LymphocyteLover May 28 #43
That is completely delusional ABC123Easy May 28 #44
Why doesn't the buck stop with Biden? He's the one who appointed Garland. LymphocyteLover May 28 #45
Wow ABC123Easy May 28 #46
No, I don't. I asked a simple question since Biden hired the guy and the buck famously stop with the president. LymphocyteLover May 28 #47
Simple question ABC123Easy May 29 #49
There's a difference between realistic and defeatist. wnylib May 25 #17
There are way too many people FoxNewsSucks May 25 #21
And there are quite a few people who are eager to call others Polyannas wnylib May 25 #22
Who are the pollyannas? MorbidButterflyTat May 25 #19
Revolution Pollyannas: don't threaten us with the Supreme Court or tell us to vote blue no matter who. betsuni May 25 #24
I really hate this snowybirdie May 25 #3
Where does it say to give up and walk away? FoxNewsSucks May 25 #9
That's not what it says. Scrivener7 May 26 #30
I won't be celebrating the 250th Easterncedar May 25 #4
THIS. n/t CousinIT May 25 #6
Cheer up and take the opportunity that is offered bucolic_frolic May 25 #5
This time, put the women in charge. Men just cause problems and BS wars. OMGWTF May 25 #7
Men have little ground to stand on when claiming that women.. CousinIT May 25 #12
Is it being challenged? Absolutely! Phoenix61 May 25 #10
I think the US can have a real democracy - but it needs a real constitution first. harumph May 25 #11
I agree it's over. It will take a hundred years to rebuild, if ever. Our sinkingfeeling May 25 #13
Fuck the Borg struggle4progress May 25 #15
Word! yellow dahlia May 25 #16
Happy to report this guy's damning post mortem of America didn't keep him from hyping his podcast MorbidButterflyTat May 25 #18
Somebody posts something on social media ... so who is this guy anyway FakeNoose May 25 #23
"This is OUR government. Yes, we can change our government whenever we want. Don't ever betsuni May 26 #25
There is an irrefutable Step One that has to happen this year... BH liberal May 26 #28
Sneed is a click master. Peddle despair, make a buck. delisen May 26 #26
Yes. As we have known it, it is indeed over. But there is an opportunity here to build something different. Scrivener7 May 26 #29
The experiment includes a step, "What if someone says the experiment is over when it's not?" gulliver May 26 #36
If giving up is not an option sarisataka May 26 #37
Mixed messages: "It's over and we lost, but don't give up." Torchlight May 27 #40
Patent Bullshit! MineralMan May 28 #48

Irish_Dem

(82,786 posts)
1. I said the same thing to a friend this morning.
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:29 PM
May 25

250 years is not a bad run.

But our democracy is over now.
Ironic on the 250th anniversary of our democracy.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,992 posts)
8. No it's not. It's the bucket of cold water thrown in the faces
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:09 PM
May 25

of all the pollyannas who think 'everything will just be fine, you'll see'.

Realistic points of view are often uncomfortable.

LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
14. it's still defeatist, especially the idea that Dems are impotent and that we can't win the midterms
Mon May 25, 2026, 03:25 PM
May 25

Dems have no real power, so of course they seem impotent to people not paying attention.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,992 posts)
20. It's not just the media portraying them as such,
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:07 PM
May 25

here's an example. Blue slips. Dick Durbin honored that policy for republicon senators even after they refused to do the same for Democratic Senators.

Time and time again, we are "nice". That's why it's easy for the media to push that image.

And many see the contrast with times that republicons are in the minority yet manage to successfully obstruct and thwart Democrats anyway.

We need to fight the same way, or we will soon lose it all.

LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
27. I'm not saying Dems couldn't do more against this administration and suspend some of those norms, however they have
Tue May 26, 2026, 07:20 AM
May 26

done important things in the past year, like shut down the govt over ACA subsidies, shut down DHS over ICE tactics and getting Epstein files released. And they won in the latter two cases.

It's tricky, because Dems need to show they can work within the system to get things done and not be seen as harming the country, while still obstructing the administration.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
31. Pretty god damned impotent
Tue May 26, 2026, 09:47 AM
May 26

....when they're IN power as well. See Merrick Garland. I hope he's happy now and has all of those pearls he clutched safe somehwere.

LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
32. Trump was INDICTED MULTIPLE TIMES by Garland's DOJ. It was the fucking Supreme Court who fucked over those cases.
Tue May 26, 2026, 03:27 PM
May 26

Blaming Garland is BS.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
33. Not BS
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:03 PM
May 26

Giving Garland credit is BS. He did NOTHING for 2 whole years. Sat on his ass. Jack Smith should've been appointed in January 2021!

LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
34. You don't know what exactly he did. Anyway, if SCOTUS has interfered and massively delayed the cases, Dump would have
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:48 PM
May 26

easily convicted of many serious crimes and almost certainly thrown in jail.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
35. Thats a giant load of wishy washy BS
Tue May 26, 2026, 05:47 PM
May 26

SCOTUS didn't interfere until 4 years in. Check the timeline. Garland screwed around and clutched his precious pearls and DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for 2 whole years. Then he appointed TWO special counsels to investigate BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN.

LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
38. I disagree that he did nothing. I agree he could've acted more urgently but he did pursue the cases and the
Wed May 27, 2026, 12:40 PM
May 27

cases would've gone to trial before the election if SCOTUS did fuck them up.

it does take time to build a strong case against a former POTUS.

Also of course Dump was helped massively in the classified doc case by fucking Aileen Cannon.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
39. I disagree.
Wed May 27, 2026, 01:34 PM
May 27

Did there need to be much of an investigation of January 6th? Couldn't he have found the backbone to appoint special counsels immediately to investigate that? Did he need to wait 2 years to look into it?

It doesn't matter what SCOTUS did YEARS later or what the stooge judge Cannon in Florida did. Hell, Cannon may not have even been the judge if Jack Smith had been appointed TWO and a half years prior.

This is Garland's fault and failure. There's absolutely no reason to go easy on him. He is emblematic of why people are upset with the establishment Dems.




LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
41. you seriously think SCOTUS would've just left the case alone and not interfered if Garland rushed the prosecutions?
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:36 PM
May 27

I don't.

Also the legal system is just slow and favors rich people like the orange shit who can just keep appealing.

You can blame Garland for some of this problem but putting all the blame on him is fucking ridiculous.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
42. Again
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:50 PM
May 27

You skip over EVERYTHING to get to the SCOTUS.

I'm not even reading your responses anymore because I already know what you're going to say. You're just making excuses.

You can only focus on the SCOTUS while skipping directly over the fact that Garland DID NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for 2 years.

SCOTUS NEVER ruled on 75% of the indictments.

You've never actually responded to the fact that Garland is to blame for this.



LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
43. "You've never actually responded to the fact that Garland is to blame for this."
Thu May 28, 2026, 08:08 AM
May 28

I said more than once that Garland deserves some blame.

Still, ultimately he was NOT the main problem, and we can agree to disagree on that.

I think it's clear SCOTUS played an important role interfering with his prosecutions.

Another big problem I didn't mention here, is that the Republican party NEVER took these charges seriously and used their media apparatuses to continually undercut the justice system. Hence half the country downplayed the charges, even for the Manhattan felony convictions, which were soundly agreed on by the jury.

Ultimately the GOP-MAGA-Trump cult is a massive lawless organization that is wrecking the country.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
44. That is completely delusional
Thu May 28, 2026, 08:50 AM
May 28

I'm not sure why you can't bring yourself to see the big picture. You just can't put the blame where it's deserved. Apparently, something in your mind just can't bear to blame Garland. He will go down in history as one of the worst AGs ever......a coward, a terrified, incompetent, little shrew, afraid to do his job.

There has never been a more straightforward, obvious case to prosecute than the crimes we as a nation watched LIVE ON TV on January 6th. A first year law student could've prosecuted that case. Any AG or prosecutor in the country could've taken care of it. Gift wrapped and presented on his lap with a bow. Even the ultra corrupt Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham admitted Dump was guilty and stated the DOJ should take care of it!

But no, you don't see it as Garland's fault because of what came after. Have you stopped to think that what came after was CAUSED by Garland's pathetic non-action? Do nothing and just hope the GOP will exile Dump? How naive. Garland gave the GOP time to sow doubt and come up with propaganda just like they always do. Who would have imagined?

Because of his utter cowardice and just plain terror at doing his job, we now have Dump back in office. He sat around dithering, going after the scum foot soldiers from January 6th, all of which are pardoned now, instead of starting with the main culprit. The buck stops with Garland. Garland decided not to do his job. The 2nd Dump term and all of the horror it brings lies on Garland's table.

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
46. Wow
Thu May 28, 2026, 03:06 PM
May 28

Unlike Dump, BIDEN didn't interfere with the DOJ. He didn't even want to give the IMPRESSION that he was influencing or coordinating with DOJ.

It appears based upon your question that you prefer the current regime under Dump. So I guess you would prefer that Biden had interfered with the investigations under Garland?

LymphocyteLover

(10,337 posts)
47. No, I don't. I asked a simple question since Biden hired the guy and the buck famously stop with the president.
Thu May 28, 2026, 08:17 PM
May 28

ABC123Easy

(435 posts)
49. Simple question
Fri May 29, 2026, 01:35 PM
May 29

As a Dem who has apparently been alive during the duration of Biden's term until now, I'd hope you were aware that Biden did not influence the DOJ. So this wasn't a genuine, honest question. You knew the answer, I have to assume.

You knew that the buck stopped with Garland.

You know Garland as the AG was the head of the DOJ.

You know Garland was in control of ANY investigations into Dump.

You know Garland is to blame.

Please stop wasting my time with this.

wnylib

(26,731 posts)
17. There's a difference between realistic and defeatist.
Mon May 25, 2026, 07:40 PM
May 25

Realism says things are bad, even very bad, but by facing up to each problem with open eyes, we can tackle the problem.

Defeatism says that things are so bad, that we should just give up and accept that they will never improve and we can't do anything about it.

Realism is good because it brings focus and definition to solving problems. Defeatism is giving in to hopelessness.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,992 posts)
21. There are way too many people
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:09 PM
May 25

right here who seem to eagerly look for things they can call "defeatist" to silence critics.

wnylib

(26,731 posts)
22. And there are quite a few people who are eager to call others Polyannas
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:57 PM
May 25

for believing that we can and should push back strongly and steadily against the destruction of democracy.

The struggle against authoritarian oligarchs currently taking over the country and trying to take over the world seems impossible to win sometimes. There are so many setbacks, so many insane things going on at once, so much money and power on the other side. But they are fallible human beings, not gods. They can be defeated.

It takes a united effort and determination to seize every opportunity, exploit every weakness that we detect in them, and keep on resisting.






MorbidButterflyTat

(4,917 posts)
19. Who are the pollyannas?
Mon May 25, 2026, 08:17 PM
May 25

Who said, 'everything will just be fine, you'll see'?

"The American experiment is over" is realistic?

betsuni

(29,405 posts)
24. Revolution Pollyannas: don't threaten us with the Supreme Court or tell us to vote blue no matter who.
Mon May 25, 2026, 11:06 PM
May 25

Both sides corrupt billionaires wealthy donors lobbyists oligarchs Wall Street superPACs AIPAC ANYPAC neoliberals status quo warmongers coastal elite establishment centrists ignore working class not progressive identity politics Trump listens to working class rigging old guard corporate Dems true roadblock to progress don't stand up to don't fight for earn my vote hold feet to the fire take my vote for granted teach them a lesson vote my conscience lesser of two evils but I just don't like her but he's old but the price of eggs my vote doesn't matter anyway uncommitted revolution solidarity both sides.

What could possible happen.

snowybirdie

(6,769 posts)
3. I really hate this
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:35 PM
May 25

Giving up and walking away with you tails between your legs. Shame on the defeatist and shame on not trying. As a nation, we've been down before and got back up! We all are better than this and this gets posted on Memorial Day! Double shame!

FoxNewsSucks

(11,992 posts)
9. Where does it say to give up and walk away?
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:10 PM
May 25

I read the opposite, the problem is those who have power but done nothing.

Easterncedar

(6,631 posts)
4. I won't be celebrating the 250th
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:42 PM
May 25

Democracy died here already. But acknowledging that isn't being defeatist. It doesn't mean we should stop fighting against the fascist authoritarian regime. We have to build a better government and society. We have to keep fighting, together, with all we have in every way we can.

bucolic_frolic

(56,222 posts)
5. Cheer up and take the opportunity that is offered
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:47 PM
May 25

The collapse of the financial and economic system loom. AI debt will level everything. We build anew from the ashes.

CousinIT

(12,858 posts)
12. Men have little ground to stand on when claiming that women..
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:28 PM
May 25

...are not leaders or are "too emotional" to do so, or whatever. Not after Trump. Not before either, but Trump just put the cap on their invalid arguments.

Phoenix61

(18,911 posts)
10. Is it being challenged? Absolutely!
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:11 PM
May 25

But it's been challenged in the past and we're still here. The Civil War, the Great Depression, the anti-war demonstrations during the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights movement and the atrocities that were committed during it. We will get through this the same way we got through those, determination and hard work because failure is not an option.

harumph

(3,488 posts)
11. I think the US can have a real democracy - but it needs a real constitution first.
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:18 PM
May 25

Anything else we do is just building a temporary dam. Article V. Maybe the only thing that will provide the motivation to fundamentally amend (more than just bandaid) the constitution will be when we hit rock bottom - and I mean rock bottom. One, private money needs to be banned
from elections. Two, bodily autonomy. Three, right to privacy - which means inter alia, no surveillance state. Four, right to basic healthcare. Five, right to a standardized world class education for all children K-12. Six, absolute separation of church and state. Seven, curtail presidential pardon power. Firewalls between the president and the DOJ. Create and fund virtually untouchable independent agencies charged with ferreting out accounting fraud and corruption. National secrecy cannot extend to more than 20 years before public disclosure ( accountability for those involved before they die). Representatives and senators must put their money in a blind trust. Penalties for defrauding the public include inability to run for election or to even serve in government - forever.

sinkingfeeling

(58,201 posts)
13. I agree it's over. It will take a hundred years to rebuild, if ever. Our
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:36 PM
May 25

leadership in science, education, medicine, engineering, and foreign relations is gone. The America I knew and loved died in November 2025.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,917 posts)
18. Happy to report this guy's damning post mortem of America didn't keep him from hyping his podcast
Mon May 25, 2026, 08:04 PM
May 25

And he publishes on the evil, dreaded Amazon!!


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FakeNoose

(42,846 posts)
23. Somebody posts something on social media ... so who is this guy anyway
Mon May 25, 2026, 10:02 PM
May 25

They all have their own opinions, but I don't have to waste my time reading them.

betsuni

(29,405 posts)
25. "This is OUR government. Yes, we can change our government whenever we want. Don't ever
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:36 AM
May 26

forget that we get to choose."

Heather Cox Richardson

BH liberal

(190 posts)
28. There is an irrefutable Step One that has to happen this year...
Tue May 26, 2026, 08:11 AM
May 26

Those who are stating the obvious are spot-on. The first step in turning this mess around is to turn out for the midterms in numbers so high that the GOP redistricting, their dirty tricks, and their voter suppression tactics will not work. If we can't even manage that, we deserve what we get. No excuses!

delisen

(7,481 posts)
26. Sneed is a click master. Peddle despair, make a buck.
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:33 AM
May 26

He is mini-Bezos.
Bezos sells us Fascism with a fake smile; Sneed is selling Despair with a fake frown.

Know this: all marketing is lies

Scrivener7

(60,286 posts)
29. Yes. As we have known it, it is indeed over. But there is an opportunity here to build something different.
Tue May 26, 2026, 08:33 AM
May 26

We can all see it is over, and those violently denying it in this thread just seem to me to be simply showing their understandable reluctance to look at the fact that it is obviously over.

BUT. This disaster has shown us the unworkable parts of our system that need to go. These show us the road to build a better system if we have the will. Whether we have the will is the unanswered question.

The biggest fissure is that our system depends on its participants having a modicum of decency. We have learned that at least a third of our countrywomen and men don't have that decency. So depending on that decency just won't work anymore. That's done.

We can build something different when we regain power by first addressing those areas this third have exploited. The areas where they have been able to pillage the country for their own ends. That includes corporations and politicians. This requires a concerted effort to PROSECUTE the offenders without mercy. Our mistake in the Biden years was not doing that. Inevitably, I will be accused of trashing Biden for saying that. It's not trashing. Some of us saw his mistake in real time. A lot more can see it in retrospect. He made a mistake. People do. But the appointment of a "go along to get along" prosecutor has had disastrous consequences. This time, if "Just move ahead" is the road taken, it will truly be the end of anything resembling a Democracy.

But also, somewhere down the line when things settle into the new system - because it WILL be a new system, for better or worse depending on what WE do - we need to look at WHY so many of our countrywomen and men are such shits. Why there is no honesty, no character on the right. Bring back civics classes and make them mandatory in high school. Address the income inequality that makes the weaker among us create enemies of their neighbors. This is a lot more elusive than the goal of prosecution, and it's beyond my psychological understandings, but it is something smarter heads than mine need to address.

The same group that will accuse me of trashing Biden will take issue with my saying that WE have to fix this. They will say republicans broke it and therefore should fix it. Which is asinine. Of course they should. But that's not how the world works. They won't. We all know they won't. So if we want it fixed, we have to do it ourselves.

gulliver

(14,144 posts)
36. The experiment includes a step, "What if someone says the experiment is over when it's not?"
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:02 PM
May 26

Step 411.5 "What if someone says the experiment is over when it isn't?"
Continue to Step 412.

sarisataka

(22,969 posts)
37. If giving up is not an option
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:21 PM
May 26

why post a piece declaring its's over and there is nothing we can do about it?

Torchlight

(7,164 posts)
40. Mixed messages: "It's over and we lost, but don't give up."
Wed May 27, 2026, 01:42 PM
May 27

Which dichotomous assertion do I take at face value?

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