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The seizures began in January when FBI agents armed with a warrant raided an election facility in Fulton County, Georgia, and grabbed 600 boxes of ballots from 2020. This was followed in March by the Department of Justice obtaining ballot images from 2020 in Maricopa County, Arizona, andciting claims about supposed fraud in 2020demanding ballots from the 2024 election in Wayne County, Michigan.
These federal seizures have even trickled down to the local level. In March, a Republican sheriff in California obtained a warrant to seize about 650,000 ballots from a statewide redistricting election held in November. He announced, with no evident authority to do so, that his deputies would conduct a recount.
Election experts fear the trend could grow, creating widespread chaos after the midterms, if courts fail to scrutinize what appear to be politically motivated requests from groups intent on undermining election outcomes they dont like.
Its really important for the public, for grand juries, for judges to not allow these actions to become some kind of precedent, says Gowri Ramachandran, director of elections and security at the Brennan Center for Justice. This is not, and shouldnt be, a rubber-stamp issue.
Its difficult to know for certain what parties seizing ballots aim to achieve. The DOJ could be fishing for evidence of fraud to legitimize President Trumps claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Or it could be sending a message to voters and election officials that the federal government controls elections, despite the Constitution saying otherwise. The seizures may also be trial balloons to see how courts, election officials, and the public react. If the response is weak, it could embolden the administration to seize ballots after the midterms.
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Bluetus
(3,139 posts)I don't think the point is to recount. No elections are going to change and there is no valid chain of custody.
So what else could they be going for?
One answer is simply authoritarianism. They may simply want to terrorize the public. "We are watching you. We are looking at how you voted. We can do whatever we want. You cannot stop us."
My sense is that this is part of a bigger scheme. We already saw a similar pattern in 2024 when they got illegal access to election equipment in multiple locations, and this was clearly an effort to reverse engineer the election systems. This led to "Elon Musk knows more about the 'vote counting computers' than anybody in the world.", followed by what Musk, Theil, Starlink, and Palantir did. with that knowledge.
On he surface, these ballot grabs fit that same pattern and should not be ignored. We need to figure out what they are doing because it is clearly part of a scheme to tamper with the mid-terms one way or another.
peggysue2
(12,624 posts)Test how much push back and judicial outrage and then, if possible normalize Federal oversight, another unconstitutional act in broad daylight.
The assault on our Republic and democratic election integrity is day-in, day-out. Smash and grab on steroids because the 2025 traitors know Trump's days are numbered.