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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf the Strait of Hormuz doesn't open soon, as seems likely, there will be a massive economic crash
From "The Other 98%" on FB:
"If the Strait of Hormuz never reopens, the life you know starts coming apart by this fall. An actual apocalypse. Not as a metaphor. As a supply chain. And nobody in the media will walk you through what that actually looks like.
So lets walk you through it.
For three months, a fifth of the world's oil has been cut off. You haven't felt the full weight of it yet, and there's a reason for that. The world had a cushion. Enormous reserves of oil sitting in storage, built up over years.
We've been burning through that cushion to keep the gas flowing and the prices from exploding. Quietly. Fast. At a pace never seen outside a global pandemic.
Here's the part the optimists keep skipping: a cushion is not a faucet. It runs out. And when you are near the bottom, you don't get a gentle warning. You lose the pressure that keeps fuel moving to every station, every truck, every farm, all at once.
The experts who war-game this for a living have a name for that moment. The operational floor. And the worst-case estimates put it around this fall.
Now picture it. The strait stays shut. The reserves hit empty. And the thing that's been hiding this crisis simply vanishes.
Diesel goes first, and diesel is what moves the world. The trucks that restock your grocery store. The trains. The cargo ships. The combines that bring in the harvest.
Translation, the supply chains we depend on to get our food and medicines disappear.
Food doesn't disappear because we stopped growing it. It disappears because nothing can afford to move it, and because fertilizer is made from natural gas, so the next harvest costs a fortune before it's even planted.
Translation. Grocery stores are closed. People will starve.
Factories across Europe and Asia go dark. Entire countries that import every drop they burn get crushed first. And oil itself blows past every record in human history, into numbers with no modern precedent, because the whole planet is fighting over a fraction of what it needs.
That is not a gas-price story. That is the machinery of modern civilization losing pressure everywhere, simultaneously.
And this isn't a fringe nightmare. The Atlantic Council says strategic reserves are "no match for massive, sustained production outages," and calls this disruption "without precedent."
And the oil shock is only the first domino. Modern economies run on cheap, predictable energy the way a body runs on oxygen, and when you choke it off everywhere at once, everything downstream seizes.
Translation. Worldwide economic collapse. The Great Depression on steroids (and we will beg for the days of the 2008 recession)
The scariest part isn't that this scenario exists. It's that the people who could stop it keep insisting everything is fine. The Treasury Secretary swears gas will be cheaper by the midterms. The reserves keep falling anyway.
This is the bill a war of choice put on the table. And the men who put it there are governing like it can't come due.
The cushion is almost gone, and the silence is the scariest part."
Even if this is exaggerated, there's little doubt we are in for very hard times soon.
orangecrush
(31,428 posts)In a power dive right into the fan.
We let roughly 38 percent of us do this to us.
bucolic_frolic
(56,057 posts)Saw some stats and generally all countries have drawn down about 25% thus far. Then they said they can't draw all the way to the bottom because the sludge is down there. Sounds like they don't really know what's at the bottom, might depend on how long it's been stored, the year of the first fill. Shouldn't that stock be rotated? Maybe this war is the excuse.
Emile
(43,624 posts)I guess Iran is different?
dem4decades
(14,493 posts)cachukis
(4,109 posts)Markets are dynamic and always respond. First, some oil is already streaming out of the Gulf, either through the trickle of ships that make a run for it, some under U.S. protection, or through pipelines in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Those pipes have the capacity to replace as much as a quarter of normal seaborne flows. Somewhat controversially, the Trump administration has also loosened sanctions on Russian oil to ease our own pain, even if oil money helps fund Russias invasion of Ukraine.
Second, the Gulfs top Asian customers have introduced rationing and other conservation measures. China simply stopped importing for a few weeks. South Korea limited public sector workers to driving on alternate days. The Philippines told government employees to work four days in the office with limits on air-conditioning. Australia has drafted plans for mandatory rationing should the situation deteriorate.
Third, countries are scrambling to rebalance their energy mix. Before the Iran war, some 40 percent of Chinas oil imports came from the Gulf. But the country uses oil for only 20 percent of its energy needs and has already begun to get more from Russia, Central Asia and the United States.
Melon
(1,785 posts)We have zero shortage of oil in the US. We are exporting now more than we ever have including refined products.
I wish I could post graphs as pictures and you can see not only the softening of global oil futures but immediately available oil. The global supply chain is adjusting. The reserves are buffering but there are still many months of reserves left. China has reserves to last all of 2026.
Consumption has decreased but also literally everyone is increasing oil production. The US, Canada, smaller producers like Guyana. Venezuela was producing 800,000 barrels a day when the US took over to now 1.2M barrels a days in only months and going up.
What I see now in a global chemical basis is that pricing spiked the last 90 days and is now quickly falling. Major solvents are down 30% in Europe and US pricing is falling.
The global economy is not running hard enough to support the elevated pricing. Supply chains are quickly adjusting and now supply demand are taking over. If the war continues for another 6 months all bets are off for oil, but on a near term basis, the world is supplied and energy prices are softening.
SamuelTheThird
(1,333 posts)I think there is a word for that. It's pittance
GreatGazoo
(4,765 posts)It's fun to think everything is the end of civilization but it is no way to do financial planning.
Fear mongering gets clicks but "98%" has no numbers for their hysteria. Here is what they leave out:
- China is the biggest customer for Iranian oil. China cut oil use by 9% in the first two weeks of the war. Meanwhile Iran tripled the amount of oil that is shipped by rail to China.
- China has over 1-billion barrels of oil in reserves
- the Strait is not closed. It isn't wide open but it isn't closed therefore this statement is a fear mongering lie: "For three months, a fifth of the world's oil has been cut off"
- Oil supply increases as the price goes up. Venezuela and Saudi Arabia have increased output.
- Exxon is so worried that oil price will continue to fall that they are pushing a narrative about "Dry on the 4th of July". It rhymes so it sounds true. It isn't.
The truth: Oil futures decline steadily each month. Oil gets cheaper every month. You can buy at under $80 a barrel right now if you are taking delivery in December.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/03/the-three-reasons-why-oil-is-staying-below-100-a-barrel.html
SamuelTheThird
(1,333 posts)One: Real optimism that the Iran conflict/war is soon settled.
lol ain't happening. So 'your' number one reason is fantasy hopium
WSHazel
(874 posts)There is significant demand destruction that kicks in at $100/barrel, and it will go up as the price of oil goes up. A lot of that demand destruction will never return. This is why the Gulf States are working so hard to end run the Strait, and why the UAE dropped out of OPEC. The other side of this crisis is going to be over-supply.
I believe one of the key reasons that Trump started this conflict was to increase energy prices which would help U.S. producers and improve the trade deficit since the U.S. is a net exporter. It is a phenomenally stupid strategy, because the back end of this is lower oil prices than pre-conflict, which will crush U.S. producers who have some of the highest production costs in the world, but Trump doesn't care about the long or even intermediate term.
2naSalit
(104,061 posts)To cripple the US for certain enemies but also fucking the world because a certain orange asshole is not loved by everybody and the E[stein files are leaking out.
Kid Berwyn
(25,198 posts)No gas
No chow
No civilization.
Billionaires have their redoubts to weather the Trouble.
The rest of us, not so much as a gig-eat-dog scenario.
Thanks, Putin.
ToxMarz
(3,105 posts)and that major shock I think is not too far off. Trump will never solve this until he is either forced to or taken out of the equation. Neither will happen until the situation becomes untenable.
Exxon sounds alarm on unheard of oil problem
A top Exxon executive says the market is only weeks away from a level the industry almost never sees.
May 31, 2026 8:07 PM EDT
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/exxon-sounds-alarm-on-unheard-of-oil-problem
Markets have a strange way of staying calm right up until the moment they can no longer. Traders can watch the same warning lights blink for weeks, shrug, and keep pricing the world as if nothing has really changed. That has been the mood around oil for most of 2026.
The Strait of Hormuz, the narrow waterway that normally carries about a fifth of the worlds crude, has been throttled since late February. Tankers cross only when Iran allows them to. And still, oil futures spent much of the spring drifting lower instead of higher, as traders bet on a ceasefire that keeps getting promised and never quite arrives.
Pump prices have climbed, but the futures market has acted as if the supply shock is mostly in the rearview mirror. For months, government stockpiles and emergency reserve releases have quietly papered over just how tight the physical market has become.
Then a senior executive at one of the biggest oil companies on the planet stepped up to a microphone in New York and said the quiet part out loud.