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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho understands the effectiveness of Obama's nuclear deal with Iran?
I am having an argument with someone who said that Obama's contract was ineffective because Iran wasn't allowing people into the country to come in to inspect their facilities to see if they were collecting more than the 3% uranium allowed by the agreement. Per Obama, this was how they would be able to determine if Iran was acquiring enough nuclear supplies to build a bomb.
From what I remember, Trump came in and blew up everything that previous presidents (especially Obama) had put together, for no other reason than he's reckless and arrogant.
Anyway, whatever you want to add or correct, please feel free to do.
Miami Blue
(405 posts)Obamas nuclear deal with Iran at The Last word with Lawrence ODonnell on MS.NOW
Baitball Blogger
(52,867 posts)Talitha
(8,216 posts)I'll DVR the rerun at midnight.
Melon
(1,865 posts)Access by nuclear inspectors. This is true.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/iran-rejects-us-demand-for-un-visit-to-military-sites-idUSKCN1B9182/
RockRaven
(20,036 posts)Response to RockRaven (Reply #6)
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RockRaven
(20,036 posts)except the US held the position that Iran was in compliance at that time. So the assertion that Iran was doing something to justify the US pulling out is false.
If you want to say the US never should have signed on, or should have pulled out at a different time, that is a different conversation.
Melon
(1,865 posts)Time they were compliant. Literally months over a multi year agreement.
Its is accepted that Iran was non compliant with the agreement as reported by . The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Melon
(1,865 posts)Its rewriting history to paint Iran as anything more than non compliant to the treaty.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291
IAEA Board Action: The IAEA Board of Governors formally declared Iran in non-compliance with its obligations under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) safeguards. This resolution was triggered by Iran's failure to provide full, credible explanations and answers regarding the presence of uranium particles detected at multiple undeclared locations.
AZJonnie
(4,190 posts)And use ctrl-F in my browser to search for the string "The IAEA Board of Governors formally", which you posted as a QUOTE ... there is no instance of even that small quote clipped from your post?
Cuz if you don't have an explanation for that observation?
Then this ruse is pretty weak
Also, that article is from 2025, and hence not relevant whatsoever to the timeframe at hand in this discussion.
Baitball Blogger
(52,867 posts)What happened to change Iran's mind?
Frankly, Trump has dumped and denigrated every agreement and treaty. Is it possible that Iran was just good at reading the room once he came into office? Was Trump's win in 2016 the precipitating factor?
AloeVera
(4,610 posts)Trump made a new demand, without providing a reason, to have the inspectors go into MILITARY sites, not nuclear-related ones. He of course knew such a demand would be denied and he could then use that feint to claim non-compliance in his usual devious way. Interestingly, it seems some people are still pushing Trump's false claim.
Your article also states that at that time Iran was in full compliance with the agreement.
Baitball Blogger
(52,867 posts)He creates chaos and he is solely responsible for creating uncertainty. So, yes, I do believe he demanded something that wasn't in the original deal just so Iran would step over the line, which would give him the power to terminate Obama's deal.
tman
(1,268 posts)From the very piece you posted.. "So far, IAEA inspectors have certified that Iran is fully complying with the deal, under which it significantly reduced its enriched uranium stockpile and took steps to ensure no possible use of it for a nuclear weapon."
The trump admin made demands that were outside of JCPOA's terms.
dpibel
(4,038 posts)I especially believe you when you say that.
Because you are singularly believeable.
EarlG
(23,766 posts)That means new and credible information pointing to such a violation is required first, officials from the agency and major powers say. There is no indication that Washington has presented such information to back up its call for inspections of Iranian military sites.
Under U.S. law, the State Department must notify Congress every 90 days of Irans compliance with the nuclear deal. The next deadline is October, and Trump has said he thinks by then the United States will declare Iran to be non-compliant.
So far, IAEA inspectors have certified that Iran is fully complying with the deal, under which it significantly reduced its enriched uranium stockpile and took steps to ensure no possible use of it for a nuclear weapon.
Johnny2X2X
(24,581 posts)RockRaven
(20,036 posts)The Wikipedia article is readily accessible to them, easy to understand, and sufficiently comprehensive that there is not much excuse for peddling such misinformation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal
some selected excerpts, emphasis mine:
The U.S. certified in April 2017 and in July 2017 that Iran was complying with the deal.[322][323] On 13 October 2017, President Trump announced that he would not make the certification required under the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act, accusing Iran of violating the spirit of the deal and calling on Congress and international partners to "address the deal's many serious flaws", though he stopped short of terminating the agreement.[324][325]
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Rouhani,[327] Theresa May, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, and European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said the agreement was working well and that no one country could break it, reconfirming support for the deal. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov confirmed that Iran was in compliance.[327]
In 2018, IAEA inspectors spent an aggregate of 3,000 calendar [person-]days in Iran, installing seals and collecting surveillance camera photos, measurement data, and documents for further analysis. In March 2018, IAEA Director Yukiya Amano said that the organization had verified that Iran was implementing its nuclear-related commitments.[328] On April 30, the U.S. and Israel said that Iran had not disclosed a past covert nuclear weapons program to the IAEA, as required.[329][330]
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On 8 May 2018, the U.S. officially withdrew from the JCPOA after Trump signed a Presidential Memorandum ordering reinstatement of sanctions.[333][334][335][336] The IAEA continued to certify Iranian compliance.[337] Other signatories said they would comply with the deal even absent the U.S.[338]
Melon
(1,865 posts)RockRaven
(20,036 posts)Feel free to find one to nitpick. We'll all wait expectantly I'm sure.
Melon
(1,865 posts)Corrections of anything can be edited. Any argument can be made if you pick and choose was evidence is presented as fact.
IAEA Board Action: The IAEA Board of Governors formally declared Iran in non-compliance with its obligations under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) safeguards. This resolution was triggered by Iran's failure to provide full, credible explanations and answers regarding the presence of uranium particles detected at multiple undeclared locations.
AZJonnie
(4,190 posts)I mean, assuming you're referring to what you have been saying in this thread
AZJonnie
(4,190 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,653 posts)access to the known nuclear sites like Natanz and Fordow, as well as the ability to inspect suspected undeclared military sites.
It was a major diplomatic achievement which John Kerry led.
The Republican talking points, and the incompetence of our media propagating the republican talking point was and is disgraceful, and like the Iraq WMDs, our press has much blood on their hands.
While the Iran Nuclear Agreement had deficiencies, those could have been addressed and negotiated, instead the sociopath decided to start an unnecessary war because he threw out the Iran nuclear agreement under Obama.
Melon
(1,865 posts)Itself report Iran as non compliant.
tman
(1,268 posts)Here's is a direct quote from the link you posted earlier. - "So far, IAEA inspectors have certified that Iran is fully complying with the deal, under which it significantly reduced its enriched uranium stockpile and took steps to ensure no possible use of it for a nuclear weapon."
The UN-backed atomic watchdog passed a resolution on Thursday declaring that Iran is not complying with its obligations regarding nuclear non-proliferation.
Tehran has repeatedly been unable to explain and demonstrate that its nuclear material was not being diverted for further enrichment for military use, the draft text maintains.
Iran has also failed to provide the UN agency with technically credible explanations for the presence of [man-made] uranium particles at undeclared locations in Varamin, Marivan and Turquzabad, it continues.
Unfortunately, Iran has repeatedly either not answered, or not provided technically credible answers to, the agencys questions, IAEA chief Grossi said on Monday. It has also sought to sanitize the locations, which has impeded Agency verification activities.
According to Mr. Grossi, Tehran has stockpiled 400 kilogrammes of highly enriched uranium.
Given the potential proliferation implications, the agency cannot ignore [this], he told the UN agencys governing board on Monday.
tman
(1,268 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,653 posts)trump unilaterally tore up the Iran nuclear agreement.
Not an insignificant event.
lostincalifornia
(5,653 posts)as a point to correct the deficiencies instead of bombing the crap out of the country, three separate times in the middle of negotiations, and the killing of thousands in the process, was pure incompetence.
Throwing out that agreement was from the same mindset that motivated bush to attack Iraq, overthrow Hussein, and empower Iran by upsetting the balance of power.
Pure incompetence, and the hits keep coming.
lostincalifornia
(5,653 posts)Tump started this garbage and why Iran blocked the inspectors. Why would they when the major party to this agreement walked away from it under trump.
Are you justifying the bombing of Iran?
Melon
(1,865 posts)RockRaven
(20,036 posts)to justify an action Trump took in 2018.
The arrow of time... How does it work?
lostincalifornia
(5,653 posts)complain about Iran violating the agreement when trump unilaterally tore it up?
cliffside
(1,852 posts)our history with Iran and nuclear power/negotiations goes back decades.
If what I read years ago is correct, we helped Iran set up their nuclear program well before the 1979 date, not to mention the 1953 coup.